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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 9:36 pm

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Overcracker wrote:He can, but these guys were attacking him the last time he saw them. How does he know they wont do it again. Why would he help them?


That was in the last Hulk movie. He defended General Ross against the Abomination rather than, you know, killing him outright. Though that may have only been because Ross was on the same helicopter as Betty, Hulk still has a way of knowing who's on his team and who isn't.

Overcracker wrote:Oh and since when can Banner bring about the transformation at will?


Again, the last movie. Bruce was shown meditating, then grinning as his eyes began to glow green, and the "Days since last transformation" dropped to zero.


Fine he can control it now, so then why was he rampaging around the hellicarrier earlier punching everyone. Seems that either he can or he can't. But they can't have it both ways.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Tue May 01, 2012 9:50 pm

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Overcracker wrote:Fine he can control it now, so then why was he rampaging around the hellicarrier earlier punching everyone. Seems that either he can or he can't. But they can't have it both ways.


I already explained that.

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Unless Bruce can trigger the transformation with a specific goal in mind (Stop Abomination, kill aliens, etc.) then it's going to just be regular old Hulk.

Overcracker wrote:But they can't have it both ways.


It's the Hulk, the personification of rage and chaos. Yes they can have it both ways.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Overcracker » Tue May 01, 2012 10:09 pm

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It's the Hulk, the personification of rage and chaos. Yes they can have it both ways.



No they can't. If he's the personification of Rage and chaos that implies there's no control, he's chaos. Once he's in control he's no longer rage and chaos he's channeled.

Having it both ways is just a plot convenience. We write him one way now, and 30 minutes later we write him a different way so he fits in with the story we need to tell with absolutely no explanation for it. 5 or 10 more minutes of exposition could have solved this even if you still wanted to include the rampaging Hulk for a brief moment.

Its the fact they just went form rampaging brute to cooperative strong guy in a mere scene change.

If you wanted to take the fact that he's in control now and can be channeled then that's fine, but then he's no longer a threat as they portrayed. Yes I'm sure Banner can still loose control eventually, but we saw no reason for this at all.

Now this is my opinion of it, I didn't like it.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Tue May 01, 2012 11:53 pm

It's explained clearly!

When Banner rolls up on the bike, they ask him if he can change, at which point he reveals his "secret" to keeping the Hulk restrained is that he's "always angry".

On the Helicarrier, he was pushed too far by everything that was unfolding, Banner saw himself being betrayed, it pissed him off, he Hulked out and went on a rampage.

Once he regained control and saw what was happening, he realised he had to work with them.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Dead Metal » Wed May 02, 2012 2:50 am

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It is also explained in the movie that Hulk saves Banner's life and reacts to threats to Banner's life. In the Hellicarier Banner was the victim of an attack, an explosion I believe, Hulk reacted to that and saw every body as a threat to Banner.

Later Banner just changes himself into the Hulk pointing him towards his enemies.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby craggy » Fri May 04, 2012 5:48 am

it's also pretty clear (and explained in an exposition-dump too) that Loki is influencing the team. Banner even picks up the sceptre thing when everyone is arguing in that lab. that, combined with the explosion and fall, and likely the damage sustained by that, was enough to push him into becoming the Hulk.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby NTESHFT » Sun May 06, 2012 6:38 pm

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Why can't people just enjoy a movie for what it's worth instead of trying to pick it apart. So, some of the "true fans" of the comic will have a problem..........but why? By now, including me being a fan of the Bat (yes I read many comics and trades of him over the years)should realize that the movies are not going to be an exact extraction from the comics, plus the fact that just about every character on there (super-powered, that is) never could exist in the real world. That obviously means to me that the boundaries can be pushed or simply ran over.

I think Ruffalo did a good job, myself. As far as arguing the facts of a "hole in the plot" over Banner and controlling "the other guy" is truly irrelevant due to the fact that in real life that a guy turning into a ten foot road block of a green monster and back could not happen. Just call it "movie magic" as Kevin Smith says, get over it, and enjoy the movie..... =;

Now all in all, this movie was great. It had great action, a lot of laughs, and was kid friendly enough where parents could feel at ease to take their kids to see it without worrying about language, drug use, or over the top bloody violence. As for The Dark Knight Rises......well that's going to be a different story. It's gonna be dark and violent. I soooooooooooo can't wait to see it. So don't start yelling that the Avengers is going to be the biggest just yet............. Bane's fixing to fuk some sh@t up!!!!!!
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Sun May 06, 2012 7:13 pm

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headsortails wrote:Why can't people just enjoy a movie for what it's worth instead of trying to pick it apart. So, some of the "true fans" of the comic will have a problem..........but why? By now, including me being a fan of the Bat (yes I read many comics and trades of him over the years)should realize that the movies are not going to be an exact extraction from the comics, plus the fact that just about every character on there (super-powered, that is) never could exist in the real world. That obviously means to me that the boundaries can be pushed or simply ran over.

I think Ruffalo did a good job, myself. As far as arguing the facts of a "hole in the plot" over Banner and controlling "the other guy" is truly irrelevant due to the fact that in real life that a guy turning into a ten foot road block of a green monster and back could not happen. Just call it "movie magic" as Kevin Smith says, get over it, and enjoy the movie..... =;


I don't know where this is coming from. Was a conversation deleted recently? No one's complaining about changes from the comic (Of which there are numerous examples!) but that he didn't think a scene was explained and viewed it as a plot hole.

Oh, and a bit of advice? You can't tell people to just enjoy a movie, it doesn't work that way. Also a lack of overall realism doesn't excuse plot holes. This movie doesn't have that, but still, keep that in mind.

headsortails wrote:Now all in all, this movie was great. It had great action, a lot of laughs, and was kid friendly enough where parents could feel at ease to take their kids to see it without worrying about language, drug use, or over the top bloody violence. As for The Dark Knight Rises......well that's going to be a different story. It's gonna be dark and violent. I soooooooooooo can't wait to see it. So don't start yelling that the Avengers is going to be the biggest just yet............. Bane's fixing to fuk some sh@t up!!!!!!


Dark Knight Rises has one huge obstacle: It needs to overcome The Dark Knight. It needs to be better than the last, and I seriously doubt it can live up to that. Plus, it's the third part of a trilogy, the number 3 is practically cursed; Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, Mass Effect 3, Superman III, all of them were eaten alive despite having two great entries before them. I genuinely believe Dark Knight Rises will be amazing, but I also have to account for the possibility that it won't be as amazing as the last movie.

...the last movie being The Dark Knight, not the last movie I listed. Saying something isn't as great as Superman III is a very cruel thing to say.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Sun May 06, 2012 9:56 pm

I can't say I ever really enjoyed either of the other two Nolan-Batman movies, I only liked the second one because of Ledger's portrayal of The Joker.

I really don't think DKR will be much competition for The Avengers, so i'll be surprised if DKR does beat Avengers at the box office.

But considering Avengers just shattered last years opening record held by Deathly Hallows Part 2 ... DKR has a tough job ahead of it.

Oh and for the record, just as awesome second time round. 8)
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby NTESHFT » Mon May 07, 2012 2:38 pm

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Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Mon May 07, 2012 2:53 pm

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headsortails wrote:Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP


I seriously don't know who you're talking to. One guy had a minor gripe about the movie and he loved it despite that, so, seriously, who is this directed at?
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Dead Metal » Mon May 07, 2012 11:10 pm

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headsortails wrote:Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP


I seriously don't know who you're talking to. One guy had a minor gripe about the movie and he loved it despite that, so, seriously, who is this directed at?

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Burn » Mon May 07, 2012 11:54 pm

Dead Metal wrote:
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headsortails wrote:Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP


I seriously don't know who you're talking to. One guy had a minor gripe about the movie and he loved it despite that, so, seriously, who is this directed at?

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Tue May 08, 2012 12:08 am

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headsortails wrote:Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP


I seriously don't know who you're talking to. One guy had a minor gripe about the movie and he loved it despite that, so, seriously, who is this directed at?

The movie critic fairies only he can see.


I dunno, maybe his post was transported through time and space, and it was meant for one of the Transformers movies, I could see it applying there. But here? I haven't heard a single negative word about the movie.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Cyber Bishop » Tue May 08, 2012 6:40 pm

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headsortails wrote:Again I say people should just get over it and enjoy the movie for a change. Sorry to offend the "movie critics" around here..... >:oP


I seriously don't know who you're talking to. One guy had a minor gripe about the movie and he loved it despite that, so, seriously, who is this directed at?



Go back a page, all the talk of "Banner can/can't control his Hulk transformations". Overcracker's posts, this is what I am guessing it is directed to.

This is the explanation as to whom headsortails was referring to so everyone else move along to the next part of discussion in this thread thanks... I am really sick of the constant pissing contests around here as to who is right and who is wrong and who thinks they are smarter than everyone else.
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Now something I have been trying to figure..
The exact chronological order of these movies..

I was originally thinking
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor

But after re-re-re-re-re-re watching all of them again there are periods of time that are interlaced..

Cap would be first until he crashes.
Iron Man
Iron Man 2 and Hulk are interlaced time wise as well as Thor..
In IM2 Stark and Fury talk while in the background on a video screen is Hulk's rampage on Cambridge..
At the end credits of IM2 there is the Hammer of Thor which actually takes place sometime towards the end of IM2 so those movies are interlaced..
At the end of Cap they are in present day..

Unfortunately the best way to watch them would be piece by piece, Captain America up till he crashes, beginning of Hulk (credits), Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Hulk, Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man 2 and finish with the rest of Thor followed by the end sequence of Cap after he wakes up..

*phew*

I know I have my DVD's in this order on my shelf (and this is how I have watched them)
Iron Man
Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America

Did anyone go to the all day marathon on the 3rd? if so what order did they play the movies?
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Darth Bombshell » Tue May 08, 2012 8:34 pm

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Cyber Bishop wrote:Did anyone go to the all day marathon on the 3rd? if so what order did they play the movies?


I actually watched them a day at a time from Sunday till Thursday. Iron Man was first, then Iron Man 2, then Thor, then Hulk, then Captain America.

As for the timeline, I found this vid on YouTube over the weekend. I think it gets it mostly right.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Cyber Bishop » Wed May 09, 2012 6:22 am

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Cyber Bishop wrote:Did anyone go to the all day marathon on the 3rd? if so what order did they play the movies?


I actually watched them a day at a time from Sunday till Thursday. Iron Man was first, then Iron Man 2, then Thor, then Hulk, then Captain America.

As for the timeline, I found this vid on YouTube over the weekend. I think it gets it mostly right.



I did the same, I am talking about the theater event, I know the AMC theaters around here started at 11:30 with Iron Man and went all the way through till the midnight showing.

Yeah, I saw that vid and read the same wiki article. It is what I figured, each movie would have to be cut and spliced together..

My question again is what is the correct chronological order of the movies , not the events..
IE:
Iron Man
Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Cap

That kind of watching order..
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed May 09, 2012 7:14 am

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So I saw The Avengers yesterday.

Before I say anything else, Harry Dean Stanton FTW. That was just cool. Also, seeing the new preview of The Expendables 2 was really good. Too bad there wasn't a preview of The Amazing Spider-Man. I'm actually looking forward to that more than Dark Knight Rises.

Now, my opinions of the movie, as a general movie-goer. I'm not a die-hard Avengers fan.

It was fun. 8/10. I saw some similarities to DotM. I have heard that the Hulk didn't appear much, but I must say he had the best spots and it was enough. Combine that with Mark Ruffalo's performance and I think Whedon got the most out of the character. Also, Hulk is responsible for my 2 favorite moments of the film, when he ragdolled Loki (I LMFAO) and when he saved Stark at the end. (Saw it in the trailers, but it was still awesome.) I never liked Coulson, so I didn't care about him dying. I didn't think Cobie Smulders was hot until I saw her in this film. Overall, it was a lot of fun, I'm looking forward to the sequel. The scene during the credits was cool, hopefully Thanos will be an actual actor and not a CG character in the sequel. As for the scene at the very end, it was funny for what it was, but it wasn't worth sitting through the credits and a horrible song. In the sequel I'd like to see at least The Wasp. In the end, it was a really fun ride, but I won't see it in theaters again, I'll definitely get the Blu-Ray though.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Darth Bombshell » Wed May 09, 2012 7:51 am

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

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I bet if it was directed by Bay they would have supported it...
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Shadowman » Wed May 09, 2012 9:15 pm

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...Really, Pentagon? Really? Transformers is fine, but the Avengers is a step too far in the wrong direction on the scale of realism?
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Chaoslock » Sun May 13, 2012 4:21 am

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...Really, Pentagon? Really? Transformers is fine, but the Avengers is a step too far in the wrong direction on the scale of realism?


I think it wasn't about realism, it was about Fury shooting down an F-22 following orders and another launching a nuke on New York. Funny there wasn't anything like that in TF3, with a whole invasion fleet allready occupying Chicago.
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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

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I finally saw it on Friday, and of course I saw it in 3D.

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Re: The Avengers Thread (spoilers are within)

Postby Rodimus Prime » Sun May 20, 2012 11:47 pm

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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #104 - Wrath of Con
Twincast / Podcast #104:
"Wrath of Con"
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Posted: Sunday, November 2nd, 2014