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PrymeStriker wrote:Let's see:

* People who won't except a character's personality or arc just because it's different from a completely unrelated medium of storytelling. AKA Geewunners.
* Speaking of G1, that entire series is an atrocity.
* You can't take many Predacon deaths seriously in Beast Wars thanks to the overuse of slapstick.
* The Age of Extinction Toyline.
* Most of the Beast Hunters Toyline.
* Arcee's "incognito" character development in Transformers Prime
* Optimus Prime not having an ounce of interesting character whatsoever in any of the Transformers cartoons. Seriously, look at this ****:

* G1: Bland leader with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Beast Wars (Primal): Bland leader with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Beast Machines (Primal): I don't even know what's going on anymore
* RiD: ...
* The Unicron Trilogy: Bland leader/fatass with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Live Action Films: Terrible leader with anger issues
* Animated: Cliché and uninteresting young hero archetype
* Prime: Blandy McBlandleader

* I suppose this relates to my problems with Geewunners, but if you're going to reuse a Transformers character for your story, make him or her different. If you're going to do the same thing, you might as well leave it in that cartoon or comic, because bringing it over here isn't doing a damn thing for anyone but making you look like a piss-ass writer.
* Third party companies obsessing over G1. We've got 50 different versions of the same character from these guys. Why not try and redo (or create in some cases) toys for other franchises? Most BW season one characters need new toys. Plenty of Beast Machines characters are piss-poor. Armada could use some new toys as well. How about doing some of the Animated cast that never got toys, or maybe accurate versions of Prime Skylynx and Darksteel? I'm so sick of seeing a brand new version of G1 Devastator all the time.

And last but certainly not least:

* Overstocking the first waves of a toyline. For God's sake, we don't want your damn Bumblebees and Optimi. What's the point of making more than two waves of a toyline if all your going to do is make them harder to find than an emerald? Prime suffered terribly from this, and it still hasn't fully resolved itself. I'd like to have that shiny guy from the sixth wave, and I'd like to not climb over a mountain of the first wave to get to it.



And now, just a couple of response to make.

Skywarp64 wrote:He was enslaved in the '86 film as well, didn't stop him from coming back meaner than ever in season 3.

G1 =/= Prime

Skywarp64 wrote:He shouldn't be good, he should be insane, like Galvatron.

This is what I meant in my list above.

Yweggo wrote:Ultra Magnus in Prime. He had potential that they didn't do much with, then in Predacons Rising they beat the crap out of him so they could put Bumblebee in charge.

His entire character arc in that show involved his command over the rest of the team, especially his interactions with Wheeljack. That guy had already been developed before the TV movie.

ZeroWolf wrote:I think it is a big deal and something that would be frankly unimaginable to us, we are talking his spark getting tortured here. A pain that was enough to make Mr badass cry out. He wasn't just possessed, he was enslaved. That was what made him think about what he had done.

Can someone give this guy a medal?

RhA wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:Let's see:

* People who won't except a character's personality or arc just because it's different from a completely unrelated medium of storytelling. AKA Geewunners.
* Speaking of G1, that entire series is an atrocity.
* You can't take many Predacon deaths seriously in Beast Wars thanks to the overuse of slapstick.
* The Age of Extinction Toyline.
* Most of the Beast Hunters Toyline.
* Arcee's "incognito" character development in Transformers Prime
* Optimus Prime not having an ounce of interesting character whatsoever in any of the Transformers cartoons. Seriously, look at this ****:

* G1: Bland leader with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Beast Wars (Primal): Bland leader with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Beast Machines (Primal): I don't even know what's going on anymore
* RiD: ...
* The Unicron Trilogy: Bland leader/fatass with only an acute sense of humor on his side
* Live Action Films: Terrible leader with anger issues
* Animated: Cliché and uninteresting young hero archetype
* Prime: Blandy McBlandleader

* I suppose this relates to my problems with Geewunners, but if you're going to reuse a Transformers character for your story, make him or her different. If you're going to do the same thing, you might as well leave it in that cartoon or comic, because bringing it over here isn't doing a damn thing for anyone but making you look like a piss-ass writer.
* Third party companies obsessing over G1. We've got 50 different versions of the same character from these guys. Why not try and redo (or create in some cases) toys for other franchises? Most BW season one characters need new toys. Plenty of Beast Machines characters are piss-poor. Armada could use some new toys as well. How about doing some of the Animated cast that never got toys, or maybe accurate versions of Prime Skylynx and Darksteel? I'm so sick of seeing a brand new version of G1 Devastator all the time.

And last but certainly not least:

* Overstocking the first waves of a toyline. For God's sake, we don't want your damn Bumblebees and Optimi. What's the point of making more than two waves of a toyline if all your going to do is make them harder to find than an emerald? Prime suffered terribly from this, and it still hasn't fully resolved itself. I'd like to have that shiny guy from the sixth wave, and I'd like to not climb over a mountain of the first wave to get to it.



And now, just a couple of response to make.

Skywarp64 wrote:He was enslaved in the '86 film as well, didn't stop him from coming back meaner than ever in season 3.

G1 =/= Prime

Skywarp64 wrote:He shouldn't be good, he should be insane, like Galvatron.

This is what I meant in my list above.

Yweggo wrote:Ultra Magnus in Prime. He had potential that they didn't do much with, then in Predacons Rising they beat the crap out of him so they could put Bumblebee in charge.

His entire character arc in that show involved his command over the rest of the team, especially his interactions with Wheeljack. That guy had already been developed before the TV movie.

ZeroWolf wrote:I think it is a big deal and something that would be frankly unimaginable to us, we are talking his spark getting tortured here. A pain that was enough to make Mr badass cry out. He wasn't just possessed, he was enslaved. That was what made him think about what he had done.

Can someone give this guy a medal?

You may have issues.

RhA wrote: You may have issues.

ZeroWolf wrote:But did he have as much as say...Dinobot?

Back to the original topic though Primals development very slow, very very slow. So slow you could forgive PS for saying he had none. To me he seemed the same bot through out, getting better development of sorts in BM, though that arose from what happened with Tankor/Rhinox.

Maybe PS would of been better saying the base personalities he didn't like. Or their story arcs.

shajaki wrote:Necro!

I need clarification on the term Geewunners. Is it that you like G1 and only G1, no exceptions? I grew up with G1 and love it to death, but BW and BM are my favourite shows.

shajaki wrote:Necro!

I need clarification on the term Geewunners. Is it that you like G1 and only G1, no exceptions? I grew up with G1 and love it to death, but BW and BM are my favourite shows.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:The bane of my existence..hmm..

TRU MP Rodimus Prime.

I love him so much, as (much like Shaj) my favorite character growing up became Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime thanks to TF:TM (still second to Optimus overall).

He never held his gun right, his elbows are wonky, and the other day his canopy finally broke off. For no reason other than to spit in the face of my care and love for him!!

Paraphrasing here..

"You were the chosen one!! It was said you were a Masterpiece, not a broken mess!! That you'd bring balance to my collection, not leave it in darkness!! You were my brother Rodimus, I loved you!!"

I saw this is the MP Hot Rod thread. That really sucks hard. That masterpiece just doesn't want to cooperate with you. and I like the Star Wars reference to his breakdown.

shajaki wrote:Uhhh... this thread was kinda about your biggest gripe with TF's... not all your gripes

Ironhidensh wrote:The Bane of my (Transformers) existance?

Armada Scavenger. Seriously, **** that guy.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What about Prime Airachnid?

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What about Prime Airachnid?

Its odd, I dont hate her, I just dont care about her. She's easily avoidable. Its a **** toy, sure, but I dont feel any anger towards her. For me, its more when I feel alone in an opinion (and I feel so right about it) and I get frustrated at being alone and no one else seeing what I am seeing. Like Gen Leader Megatron. I really dont see how he is any special with him being an out of scale simple and plain TF toy with poseability problems which was sold for nearly 50$. It shows a hypocrisy to the fan base, which is what makes me most sad. Because this big simplified toy is worshipped while some great toys from the RID line are ignored simply because hasbro had labelled it as a line for a younger audience from the start. In the end, those warrior figures are as complex as that leader class one but I feel I am alone in seeing that and its frustrating. It is making that Leader Megatron toy (a toy I dont dislike at all, I simply dont think he is incredible) become the bane of my existence. Like I always have to prove myself when I say it isnt a great toy or else people think I am nuts. But to me it looks like silver paint and a nice headsculpt is all fans needed to be seduced into Hasbro shoving a long silver painted tank cannon up their butts and enjoying it.

Ironhidensh wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:What about Prime Airachnid?

Its odd, I dont hate her, I just dont care about her. She's easily avoidable. Its a **** toy, sure, but I dont feel any anger towards her. For me, its more when I feel alone in an opinion (and I feel so right about it) and I get frustrated at being alone and no one else seeing what I am seeing. Like Gen Leader Megatron. I really dont see how he is any special with him being an out of scale simple and plain TF toy with poseability problems which was sold for nearly 50$. It shows a hypocrisy to the fan base, which is what makes me most sad. Because this big simplified toy is worshipped while some great toys from the RID line are ignored simply because hasbro had labelled it as a line for a younger audience from the start. In the end, those warrior figures are as complex as that leader class one but I feel I am alone in seeing that and its frustrating. It is making that Leader Megatron toy (a toy I dont dislike at all, I simply dont think he is incredible) become the bane of my existence. Like I always have to prove myself when I say it isnt a great toy or else people think I am nuts. But to me it looks like silver paint and a nice headsculpt is all fans needed to be seduced into Hasbro shoving a long silver painted tank cannon up their butts and enjoying it.

You are not alone.