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The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:11 am

After discussion in another thread on this forum I though it would be great to start a 'fill in the plotholes' thread where fans of the movie can desperately scramble to fill the many plotholes in the Transformers movie in a desperate bid to save it from criticism. As we know the plot of this movie had more hole in it that a swiss cheese, we all know fans like to retrospectively fill these holes in with fuzzy logic they've picked up various sources be the official or otherwise, so why don’t you give it a go. Here are a handful of plotholes to get us started. Feel free to submit more as and when you discover them!

- Why are all Transformers created by the Allspark evil?
- how anyone else know that a map had been burnt onto the glasses?
- why did they bury the Cube in a dam to shield it from N.B.E. detection, only to house an N.B.E. in the room next door?
- why Bumblebee was interested in Sam in the first place even though he knew nothing of the glasses at that point?
- why it was considered a good military decision to chose a city centre as the venue for the final battle?

I’m sure you can come up with explanation and your own plotholes to challenge us with!

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Postby Blitzwing the warrior » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:08 am

- The "real gear" transformers created by the Allspark are sparkless and have not yet been able to control themselves

- If you read the prequel, Bumblebee pulls near a cybercafe and hacks into a computer where he finds Sam's Ebay page. Fearing that the Decepticons such as Barricade would learn of this aswell, he set out to protect him. In the game we see Bumblebee pull up by sam's house, where he overhears Sam's dad saying that he will go get him a car tomorrow. In the movie you sort of see Bumblebee follow Sparkplug's car before he pulls into Bolivia's

- Sector 7 linked the cube to Megatron, they studied both of them at the same time. They didnt know about the glasses though

- Mission City, due to its huge size would cause confusion. They thought they could quickly extract the cube before the Decepticons could find it. Apparently they couldnt pull it off, even though human causalites posed as a threat (Although it appeared that nobody got injured)
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Postby Leonardo » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:13 am

But how did Bumblebee know to look for Sam's eBay page? How did Bumblebee know those spectacles had a map to the Allspark?

As for the "Real Gear" Transformers, why didn't they have a spark? How were they alive? I thought the point of the Allspark was that it gave them sparks.
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Postby Deadpool. » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:15 am

Blitzwing the warrior wrote:- The "real gear" transformers created by the Allspark are sparkless and have not yet been able to control themselves

Yes, but that doesnot entitle them to go rampaging.
Not being able to control?
I assumed they would be more on confused as to who, where, what they were.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:18 am

Leonardo wrote:But how did Bumblebee know to look for Sam's eBay page? How did Bumblebee know those spectacles had a map to the Allspark?


Well I expect he did a search of the entire internetz and then rather unbelievably zeroed in on the etches on the glasses like Frenzy did. Which throws up another question or two, why was this not explained in the moive? And if the etching can be identifed from a pic on ebay why can't the co-orinates of the Allspark be idenitfied from the picture too?

Leonardo wrote:As for the "Real Gear" Transformers, why didn't they have a spark? How were they alive? I thought the point of the Allspark was that it gave them sparks.


Indeed its not much of an ALL SPARK if it contains no sparks is it? :P

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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Rushie » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:20 am

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Alex Kingdom wrote:blablabla

Okay, we get the point. You didn't like the movie. Now leave those who like it alone, you're making fans of this movie feel like they're doing something wrong.
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:30 am

Rushie wrote:
Alex Kingdom wrote:blablabla

Okay, we get the point. You didn't like the movie. Now leave those who like it alone, you're making fans of this movie feel like they're doing something wrong.


I'm just having a little fun, chill out why don't you and approach this thread in the fun way it was intended.

Besides this is wahts called constructive critisim, surely that's allowed on this forum?

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Postby Leonardo » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:36 am

Alex Kingdom wrote:Well I expect he did a search of the entire internetz and then rather unbelievably zeroed in on the etches on the glasses like Frenzy did. Which throws up another question or two, why was this not explained in the moive? And if the etching can be identifed from a pic on ebay why can't the co-orinates of the Allspark be idenitfied from the picture too?


Good point. I mean, surely the camera would have had to have transferred the etchings into a .JPG or .BMP format, for a start. But if even if they could see the etchings by looking at the eBay image, why not just go straight to the Cube instead of looking for the spectacles?
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Malikon » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:36 am

I'll give it a shot.

- Why are all Transformers created by the Allspark evil?
*All technology as we know it stems from a reverse engineering of Megatron. Since Megatron is pretty purely evil, any of his 'descendants' would be the same. And being rather mindless, awaken to their new existence as feral primal "things"

- how anyone else know that a map had been burnt onto the glasses?

Bumblebee and Frenzy both absorbed the entire internet and processed it extremely quickly. Cross reference the old newpaper articles on crazy ol' Grandpa Witwicky ranting about ice man and writing things in Cybertronian, with Sam Witwickys auction of his Grandfathers stuff and I guess they figured something happened for the Grandfather to be writing Cybertronian, so somehow he's involved with Megatron. Maybe alot of data storage on Cybertron is marked into glass (silicone? interesting) so when Bbee and Frenzy saw the pic of the glasses to them, *who'd never need glasses* it looks more like a data disk or something.

- why did they bury the Cube in a dam to shield it from N.B.E. detection, only to house an N.B.E. in the room next door?

They knew the two were linked since they both have the same Cybertronian symbols on them. Since they never though Megatron was really alive, and the ice only prevented his decomposition they were probably pretty horrified when he woke up.

- why Bumblebee was interested in Sam in the first place even though he knew nothing of the glasses at that point?

Bbee downloaded the inet like Frenzy did through a wi-fi type connection when he pulls up to a cafe. *in the comic*

- why it was considered a good military decision to chose a city centre as the venue for the final battle?

It wasn't supposed to be a venue for a final battle, they stopped there to get CB's from the pawn shop. Then all hell broke loose when StarScream bombed them and blew Bbee all to pieces.




That's my version cobbled together from various sources to justify my interest in this terrible movie. :grin: <----sarcasm btw
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Postby Moonbase2 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:50 am

Haven't we beaten this dead horse so much that we're hitting the ground now?

Just enjoy the movie. Or not. This is how I felt about Spiderman 3. We all discussed every so-called plot hole and detail til we were blue in the face and still some will never be happy.

Reading the prequel comic will help answer a lot of these questions, or even the prequel novel, if you care to read them.
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Rushie » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:56 am

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Alex Kingdom wrote:I'm just having a little fun, chill out why don't you and approach this thread in the fun way it was intended.

Besides this is wahts called constructive critisim, surely that's allowed on this forum?

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I'm simply objecting to the way you treat this film. You're obviously not a blind devoted fanboy since you didn't like the film. In doing so, you're pointing out the flaws, goofs and plot holes that all major summer action blockbusters have these days and you make it seem as if this film has an exeedingly bad plot. Yes, there are plot holes, but they never stuck out to me (I saw the film only once, just like the majority of the general public) and they certainly don't make this film bad. It's about the two warring factions we all know and love. They managed to cram an introductory story, lots of jokes and many TF personalities along with a heap load of action in a 2.5 hour movie. All your negative comments (in various topics) make it seem this movie is a crime against you being a fan
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:48 pm

Rushie wrote:
Alex Kingdom wrote:I'm just having a little fun, chill out why don't you and approach this thread in the fun way it was intended.

Besides this is whats called constructive critisim, surely that's allowed on this forum?

Yours AK


I'm simply objecting to the way you treat this film. You're obviously not a blind devoted fanboy since you didn't like the film. In doing so, you're pointing out the flaws, goofs and plot holes that all major summer action blockbusters have these days and you make it seem as if this film has an exeedingly bad plot. Yes, there are plot holes, but they never stuck out to me (I saw the film only once, just like the majority of the general public) and they certainly don't make this film bad. It's about the two warring factions we all know and love. They managed to cram an introductory story, lots of jokes and many TF personalities along with a heap load of action in a 2.5 hour movie. All your negative comments (in various topics) make it seem this movie is a crime against you being a fan


Believe it or not I didn't hate the movie, I thought it was poor, but there were aspects of it I enjoyed and even laughed out loud at. I'm not going to go over why I didn't like the movie cos as you said I've said it all before. I'm not a blind devoted fanboy and quite frankly I pity anyone who is. The point of this thread is have a little fun and highlight the holes in a plot that I felt was at the root of it not bad just poorly executed in hope that we as fans will demand more of the second movie. Who knows maybe Bay and co will listen? Is that such a bad thing?

If you don't like the thread you could simply not click on it. not post in it, not keep bumping it back up the forum. Some people here clearly seem to think it's an interesting topic to post constructive replies in, if you're not one of them them maybe you should turn your attention to the numerous let's guess who'll in the next movie, OMG! I can't want till TF2, Whose hardest Prime or Boncrusher?, or What alt-mode should X have? threads.

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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:06 pm

Malikon wrote:It wasn't supposed to be a venue for a final battle, they stopped there to get CB's from the pawn shop. Then all hell broke loose when StarScream bombed them and blew Bbee all to pieces.


Most of your theories seem pretty sound but this one? I distinctly remember the main Marine guy (can't remember his name) saying something like "if we say here we're screwed (megaton being next door and all) Well take the cube to the city and hide it and make our stand there" why hide it in a city? Why go to the city at all? I'm pretty sure the specifically went there to "make a stand' against the Decepticons with the help of air support.

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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Rushie » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:52 pm

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Alex Kingdom wrote:The point of this thread is have a little fun and highlight the holes in a plot that I felt was at the root of it not bad just poorly executed Is that such a bad thing?

Fair enough, though there's plenty of 'plothole' threads already, among all the TF2 speculation threads. This just felt unnecessary to me, that's why I attacked you rather harshly. It was not a personal attack on your taste, just a call against the general hatred towards this film.

You're saying I could just ignore such threads, but the problem is the negative posts criticizing everything from plot to directing pop up everywhere, in many unrelated topics as well.
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:07 pm

Rushie wrote:You're saying I could just ignore such threads, but the problem is the negative posts criticizing everything from plot to directing pop up everywhere, in many unrelated topics as well.


Point taken. Which is sorta another reason i created this thread, I understand you're annoyance at people bring up the same negative opinion over and over in inappropriate threads, and I'll admit I've been guilty of it from time to time, but what annoys me is people who wont tolerate negative opinions regardless of how valid they might be. Maybe this thread will give those with negative but valid opinions somewhere they can air their thoughts without get shouted down or bullied or for being 'Haters', something that many of us are not.

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Postby Leonardo » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:19 pm

The problem with using the prequel comics and novel is that one shouldn't need external material to answer basic plot questions. Supporting sources should extend the plot, not answer fundamental questions about the film itself. The explanations themselves seem reasonable enough, though, but few of them were hinted at in the film.

I've heard the "reverse engineering" explanation before, but I don't see why that would matter, when the Transformers get their life or soul from the Allspark, not the metal or materials. I do like the idea of new TF's being somewhat feral when they're first created. It seems natural and totally credible but I just didn't get a sense of that from the film. That said, I think this is one of the 'smaller' plot issues, as it does have two of the stronger explanations.

I'm not convinced that, even with John Turturro's character in charge, S7 would be silly enough to store the Cube in the same location as an N.B.E. that they didn't know for certain was dead. Even if they were analysing both in tandem, it seems a major security risk.

The whole Bumblebee (or any Transformer) finding out that a map was engraved onto the spectacles still seems like a major logic jump to me as, in my view, there just wasn't any material in the film to even lay the foundations for an explanation.

I do have another question and it's not a plot hole: are the Transformers weapons made out of vehicle parts as well as their bodies? Also, where do movie Transformers get their ammunition from? Okay, that's two questions.
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Postby Deadpool. » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:11 pm

Face it.
The TF universe is full of discontinuities and plotholes...
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Postby autobot commander » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:29 pm

The Fallen. wrote:Face it.
The TF universe is full of discontinuities and plotholes...

its transformers, what do you expect
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Postby Deadpool. » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:30 pm

autobot commander wrote:
The Fallen. wrote:Face it.
The TF universe is full of discontinuities and plotholes...

its transformers, what do you expect

I expected even more plotholes. :P
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Postby General Magnus » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:09 pm

We still discuss what hapend to Cyclnous twin in the G1 movie decades ago. Several years from now, our descendts will discuss what hapened to Barricade and Scorponok. Awww..the circle of life :P
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby D-340 » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:28 pm

Alex Kingdom wrote:
Malikon wrote:It wasn't supposed to be a venue for a final battle, they stopped there to get CB's from the pawn shop. Then all hell broke loose when StarScream bombed them and blew Bbee all to pieces.


Most of your theories seem pretty sound but this one? I distinctly remember the main Marine guy (can't remember his name) saying something like "if we say here we're screwed (megaton being next door and all) Well take the cube to the city and hide it and make our stand there" why hide it in a city? Why go to the city at all? I'm pretty sure the specifically went there to "make a stand' against the Decepticons with the help of air support.

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They went to the city to hide the cube, that he said. The whole fighting the 'Cons off in the city though didn't make sense to me either.

Hiding the cube in a big city makes alot of sense, cuz it would be more difficult to find. It seems they can't track the cube themselves, so that part of the plan was good in theroy.

The whole make a stand in the city, well, was idiotic at best. I always though a diversion would've been a better plan Hide the cube in the city, lead the 'Cons elsewhere.
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Bumblebee-otch » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:42 pm

D-340 wrote:
The whole make a stand in the city, well, was idiotic at best. I always though a diversion would've been a better plan Hide the cube in the city, lead the 'Cons elsewhere.


then how would we get to see a bigass robo-battle that leaves a city in ruins? :P
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Re: The 'Fill in the Plotholes' Game!

Postby Alex Kingdom » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:40 am

Bumblebee-otch wrote:
D-340 wrote:
The whole make a stand in the city, well, was idiotic at best. I always though a diversion would've been a better plan Hide the cube in the city, lead the 'Cons elsewhere.


then how would we get to see a bigass robo-battle that leaves a city in ruins? :P


Well exactly it was a feeble plot device to allow the final showdown to occur in a city, there are tonnes of better way they could have done it. Simply implying they needed to go to the city for some reason before leading the cons elsewhere and then have the cons catch up with them before they got the chance would have don't it.

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Postby Alex Kingdom » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:43 am

The Fallen. wrote:Face it.
The TF universe is full of discontinuities and plotholes...


Fair enough but does that excuse it? The G1 cartoon was full of plothole it was also IMO pretty crappy. strikes me this movie was more like G1 than most originally thought.

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Postby Damolisher » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 am

My theory on why Bumblebee liked Sam and Michaela (However the hell you spell her name). Sam's ears reminded him of Wheeljack, and Michaela's fat arse reminded him of Arcee.

The Allspark: Thunderwing violated the Allspark with his crossdimensional all-powerful lifeforce giving object corrupting powers.

The others... I have no idea.
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