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Here are the Kill/Death ratios of the Autobots vs the Decepticons in the Bay films, not counting human casualties or off-screen kills. (TFs who made no kills and did not die are not listed)

--Autobots--
-Optimus Prime-
K: 16 (Bonecrusher, Demolishor, Grindor, the Fallen, Driller, 8 Decepticons, Shockwave, Sentinel Prime, Megatron)
D: 1 (Megatron; resurrected)

-Bumblebee-
K: 6 (Brawl, Ravage, Rampage, Hatchet, Laserbeak, Soundwave)
D: 0

-Ironhide-
K: 1 (Crowbar)
D: 1 (Sentinel Prime)

-Sideswipe-
K: 2 (Sideways, Crankcase)
D: 0

-Jetfire-
K: 2 (Mixmaster, Scorponok)
D: 1 (wounded by Scorponok; suicide)

-Casualties-
(Jazz, Que, Elita 1, Chromia)

--Decepticons--
-Megatron-
K: 2 (Jazz, Optimus Prime)
D: 2 (Sam Witwicky; resurrected, Optimus Prime)

-Barricade-
K: 1 (Que)
D: 1 (NEST)

-Sentinel Prime- (Turncoat: Will be listed with 'cons)
K: 1 (Ironhide)
D: 1 (Wounded by Megatron, executed by Optimus)

-Casualties-
(Blackout, Bonecrusher, Brawl, Frenzy, Scorponok, Starscream, The Fallen, Soundwave, Ravage, Alice, Grindor, Demolishor, Devastator (counts as 5), Rampage, Mixmaster, Sideways, Laserbeak, Shockwave, Driller, 8 other Decepticons)

'Bots: K: 27 / D: 7
'Cons: K: 4 / D: 34
In short: What the ever-loving f***!!! That's pitiful, the Decepticons deserved better than what they got in the movies, especially considering it was them who ultra-militarized their forces and weeded out the weak elements. By the third movie, any suspense for me was drained entirely, I resigned myself to saying, "he's gonna die horribly," every time a 'con made it on-screen.

(PS: Please point out any I forgot to mention if I was not concise enough.)

I agree 100%. Although we all knew the good guys would win, it's a shame the bad guys lost so horribly.

And the way Megatron was treated... DEAR GOD that was unfair... one of the most menacing villians in the TF universe was reduced to an easily beaten pile of scrap metal.

Decepticon_Vandal wrote:Here are the Kill/Death ratios of the Autobots vs the Decepticons in the Bay films, not counting human casualties or off-screen kills. (TFs who made no kills and did not die are not listed)


-Jetfire-
K: 2 (A Decepticon and Scorponok)
D: 1 (wounded by Scorponok; suicide)

I think Jetfire killed Mixmaster if I remember right.

Yeah, it was way too one sided though. And the cons leadership were mostly killed off.
Meggs
The Fallen
Shockwave
Soundwave
Starscream

I would like to have seen a little more invincibility out of the whole series. So many scenes where pieces were flying off these guys.....

You forgot Chromia and Elita 1. Also, Wheelie and Brains seemed to not survive their crash, and, if you count off camera deaths, Skids and Mudflap.

Marcdachamp wrote:You forgot Chromia and Elita 1. Also, Wheelie and Brains seemed to not survive their crash, and, if you count off camera deaths, Skids and Mudflap.

Ah, that's right, forgot about them. The twins weren't shown in the third movie so it won't count for this and I don't count Wheelie or Brains as they were non-combatant comic relief, much to my chagrin.

I shall add them to the mortuary.

Marcdachamp wrote:You forgot Chromia and Elita 1. Also, Wheelie and Brains seemed to not survive their crash, and, if you count off camera deaths, Skids and Mudflap.

I don't necessarily count these four as casualties. Like Barricade was originally we just don't know what happened to them. Nor do the movies say anything about them. I prefer to assume Skids and Mudflap went off planet traveling somewhere else. Brains only implied they were going down with the ship. How about a list of MIAs instead? Which would include these four autobots plus the third bike sister...what was her name again?

Blackstreak wrote:

Marcdachamp wrote:You forgot Chromia and Elita 1. Also, Wheelie and Brains seemed to not survive their crash, and, if you count off camera deaths, Skids and Mudflap.

I don't necessarily count these four as casualties. Like Barricade was originally we just don't know what happened to them. Nor do the movies say anything about them. I prefer to assume Skids and Mudflap went off planet traveling somewhere else. Brains only implied they were going down with the ship. How about a list of MIAs instead? Which would include these four autobots plus the third bike sister...what was her name again?

Dude, how do you forget Arcee?

Not counting human kills and casualties? This isn't a fair assessment of what went down, then.

The Autobots were clearly proficient in killing their own kind, but the Decepticons clearly are the winners by sheer numbers. But, since we can't count those numbers, the movie kills aren't the only thing one-sided in this thread...

Oh and one thing made obvious in the series? The Autobots weren't capable of such precision until they met the humans. Prime took off ONE head (Bonecrusher), Bumblebee helped kill Brawl, and he only beat up Barricade. In ROTF, after being with N.E.S.T., we see Prime be a bad ass on a psycho level. In DOTM, almost all of the Autobots were proficient with killing.

Even the Decepticons were going to keep Bumblebee, Q and Ratchet as prisoners until a human told them to kill them instead of keeping them alive.

I'd say the humans have had tremendous impact on the Autobots and the Decepticons, and their numbers should be counted.

Autobot032 wrote:Not counting human kills and casualties? This isn't a fair assessment of what went down, then.

The Autobots were clearly proficient in killing their own kind, but the Decepticons clearly are the winners by sheer numbers. But, since we can't count those numbers, the movie kills aren't the only thing one-sided in this thread...

Oh and one thing made obvious in the series? The Autobots weren't capable of such precision until they met the humans. Prime took off ONE head (Bonecrusher), Bumblebee helped kill Brawl, and he only beat up Barricade. In ROTF, after being with N.E.S.T., we see Prime be a bad ass on a psycho level. In DOTM, almost all of the Autobots were proficient with killing.

Even the Decepticons were going to keep Bumblebee, Q and Ratchet as prisoners until a human told them to kill them instead of keeping them alive.

I'd say the humans have had tremendous impact on the Autobots and the Decepticons, and their numbers should be counted.

I like this theory. It's very interesting.

Marcdachamp wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:Not counting human kills and casualties? This isn't a fair assessment of what went down, then.

The Autobots were clearly proficient in killing their own kind, but the Decepticons clearly are the winners by sheer numbers. But, since we can't count those numbers, the movie kills aren't the only thing one-sided in this thread...

Oh and one thing made obvious in the series? The Autobots weren't capable of such precision until they met the humans. Prime took off ONE head (Bonecrusher), Bumblebee helped kill Brawl, and he only beat up Barricade. In ROTF, after being with N.E.S.T., we see Prime be a bad ass on a psycho level. In DOTM, almost all of the Autobots were proficient with killing.

Even the Decepticons were going to keep Bumblebee, Q and Ratchet as prisoners until a human told them to kill them instead of keeping them alive.

I'd say the humans have had tremendous impact on the Autobots and the Decepticons, and their numbers should be counted.

I like this theory. It's very interesting.

I can't take credit for all of it. A poster on another board mentioned the Soundwave/prisoner thing, and it stuck with me. Another poster made mention of the humans and violence issue. I made note of the progression of the Autobots once those things were brought to my attention.

And it's all so true. The Cybertronians were a violent and primitive race once, as both Optimus and Ironhide mentioned in the first film. We brought out their inner beast. We made them very much human. We basically retaught them how to kill and be violent.

We (humanity) brought our own doom upon ourselves. The cube either should've been hidden better or gotten rid of altogether. Megatron was defenseless and should've been terminated while the gettin' was good. The Autobots should've been sent packin' and the Decepticons could've been swayed to leave. But we did none of that. Dylan's father was greedy and made a deal with the devil and brought destruction to us.

We warped the Cybertronians. The human numbers should be factored in.