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The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby Fast_Magma » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:31 pm

Does anyone know what is the real life span of a transformer (Autobot/Decepticon)? Is it 10,000 years, 100,000 years, 1 million years, 10 million years? how long do transformers live?

Also, how are transformers born/created? I mean how do cybertronians give birth to other robots, is it through the All-Spark or Vector Sigma or something else? I saw in the beginning of Transformers The Movie (1986) where there's a planet of robot children so how are Transformers born?

Give me some theories.
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:36 am

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Fast_Magma wrote:Does anyone know what is the real life span of a transformer (Autobot/Decepticon)? Is it 10,000 years, 100,000 years, 1 million years, 10 million years? how long do transformers live?


In the original G1 cartoon, Optimus Prime was over 9 million years old, true he spent 4 million of those years in a "turned off" state, but his creator, Alpha Trion, was still alive and presumably running most of those years, and he was much older.

Also, how are transformers born/created?


There are a few different ways over the years.

heres a link to the info.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Reproduction
I saw in the beginning of Transformers The Movie (1986) where there's a planet of robot children


those guys werent Transformers.
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:11 am

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If you want a real answer it's this: over the 27/28 years the franchise has been around, the origin stories have evolved slowly but steadily. Every continuity has a different version, but do keep names and elements of a former. In a nutshell:

G1 Cartoon: Quintessons
G1 Marvel Comics: Primus via the Creation Matrix (the most accepted and widely used)
G2 Marvel Comic: Budding was introduced, which basically means mitosis. You know, asexual reproduction like bacteria?
Robots in Disguise: none given
Armada, Energon, Cybertron: None given, but Primus makes a return, and Unicron of all people created the Mini-Cons)
Live Action Movies: AllSpark Cube, transferred to Matrix of Leadership
Animated: AllSpark (again)

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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:50 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:G1 Cartoon: Quintessons


Or the Transformers themselves can just build new Transformers ("S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "Heavy Metal War").
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:44 am

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cotss2012 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:G1 Cartoon: Quintessons


Or the Transformers themselves can just build new Transformers ("S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "Heavy Metal War").

actually "Heavy metal war" doesnt feature any TF's being created.
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby Blackmoon » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:57 am

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:G1 Cartoon: Quintessons


Or the Transformers themselves can just build new Transformers ("S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "Heavy Metal War").

actually "Heavy metal war" doesnt feature any TF's being created.


I think he means the introduction of the Constructicons, because it was never really explained where they came from in the episode itself.... If that's the right episode I'm thinking of?
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:22 am

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Blackmoon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:G1 Cartoon: Quintessons


Or the Transformers themselves can just build new Transformers ("S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "Heavy Metal War").

actually "Heavy metal war" doesnt feature any TF's being created.


I think he means the introduction of the Constructicons, because it was never really explained where they came from in the episode itself.... If that's the right episode I'm thinking of?

sounds like the right one
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:08 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blackmoon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:G1 Cartoon: Quintessons


Or the Transformers themselves can just build new Transformers ("S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "Heavy Metal War").

actually "Heavy metal war" doesnt feature any TF's being created.


I think he means the introduction of the Constructicons, because it was never really explained where they came from in the episode itself.... If that's the right episode I'm thinking of?

sounds like the right one


In that case I must point a severe continuity error on the writers' part. At first they were indeed created on Earth, but several episodes later, we see them in Cybertron's past, and in Devastator form to boot. Look for Robot Smasher and Omega Surpreme.

Plus, I'm willing to bet that the second set of Autobots were reinforcement in the shape of new arrivals.

Lastly, I will expand, with this:

G1: Quintessons (original creators), Vector Sigma (Stunticons and Aerialbots), building (Dinobots, Technobots)

Ironically, it was Grimlock who built the Technobots :lol:
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:18 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:In that case I must point a severe continuity error on the writers' part. At first they were indeed created on Earth, but several episodes later, we see them in Cybertron's past, and in Devastator form to boot. Look for Robot Smasher and Omega Surpreme.


sorry but theres no continuity error, severe or minor, at all, Nothing in the episode states that they were "indeed created on Earth" and before you go to the trouble of looking up the episode heres the relevant dialog

"they were worth the time we spent building them here in these caverns"


building is not always synonymous with creating.And the line itself is to vague to infer any definitive meaning.Did he mean he built them from scratch?????, did he mean he built them new bodies????the dialog supports both conclusions.

So, the idea is thern to find evidence from the rest of the episode to try to determine what Megatron meant............and there isint a single peace of evidence in the rest of the episode to indicate that they were newly created robots.

As a matter of fact, theres evidence that the Constructicons were well known to other characters,To begin with , none of the Decepticons expressed any consern in the Constructicons building abilities.Which casn be seen as they knew them well enough to trust them.

Then theres the Autobots, that werent surprised at all by the existence of 6 new decepticons and no shock what so ever at the giant super robot they found fighting the Dinobots.

The Dinos were shocked to see the new characters, the humans were shocked to see Devestator, but all the Autobots acted like he wasnt anything special.And lets not forget that Prime somehow knew Devestators weak point and was able to dissemble him with one shot.

All of this is reasonable evidence to suggest that the Autobots knew who and what the Constructicons were for some timer.

Add that all up and it suggest that Megatron was talking about building them new bodies.

Plus, I'm willing to bet that the second set of Autobots were reinforcement in the shape of new arrivals.


you can choose to see it that way if you like, but dialog, in the episode "Desertion of the Dinobots", indicated all the season 2 bots and cons were on Earth as long as Optimus and the others.
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Re: The life span of a Transformer(Autobot/Decepticon).

Postby BeastProwl » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:46 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:In that case I must point a severe continuity error on the writers' part. At first they were indeed created on Earth, but several episodes later, we see them in Cybertron's past, and in Devastator form to boot. Look for Robot Smasher and Omega Surpreme.


sorry but theres no continuity error, severe or minor, at all, Nothing in the episode states that they were "indeed created on Earth" and before you go to the trouble of looking up the episode heres the relevant dialog

"they were worth the time we spent building them here in these caverns"


building is not always synonymous with creating.And the line itself is to vague to infer any definitive meaning.Did he mean he built them from scratch?????, did he mean he built them new bodies????the dialog supports both conclusions.

So, the idea is thern to find evidence from the rest of the episode to try to determine what Megatron meant............and there isint a single peace of evidence in the rest of the episode to indicate that they were newly created robots.

As a matter of fact, theres evidence that the Constructicons were well known to other characters,To begin with , none of the Decepticons expressed any consern in the Constructicons building abilities.Which casn be seen as they knew them well enough to trust them.

Then theres the Autobots, that werent surprised at all by the existence of 6 new decepticons and no shock what so ever at the giant super robot they found fighting the Dinobots.

The Dinos were shocked to see the new characters, the humans were shocked to see Devestator, but all the Autobots acted like he wasnt anything special.And lets not forget that Prime somehow knew Devestators weak point and was able to dissemble him with one shot.

All of this is reasonable evidence to suggest that the Autobots knew who and what the Constructicons were for some timer.

Add that all up and it suggest that Megatron was talking about building them new bodies.

Plus, I'm willing to bet that the second set of Autobots were reinforcement in the shape of new arrivals.


you can choose to see it that way if you like, but dialog, in the episode "Desertion of the Dinobots", indicated all the season 2 bots and cons were on Earth as long as Optimus and the others.

I Like your Constructicon theory! Helps me put things into perspective!
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Maybe he didn't build them new bodies, rather he did what starscream did with the combaticons, or something relevently close to that. Built them working vehicles based on earth technology and scanned their old pent up personalities into the vehicles themselves, transforming them into the constructicons, meaning he did AND he did NOT Build them, both at the same time.
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