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The BW Preds got a quite a few victories in, too. Granted quite a few of those were demanded by the plot (i.e. Maximals couldn't be rescued within a few episodes, and eventually they couldn't really use the Axalon near the end of the show, and stealing Sentinel was totally meaningless), though they did successfully steal several protoforms and kill both Optimuses... though both were eventually brought back.
And of course that Megatron went on to conquer Cybertron.

I like Prime because it is different. They make interesting characters and story plots, although some contradict their history in the books and games.

In Armada Decepticons also won many battles, however, in Armada there is a lot of small battles about mirror victories. Also, this is so far propably the only series, where decepticons in the end remain with control of a half of Cybertron.

I like Transformers Prime because it is really fun thing to watching.

I don't really see all that many victories for the villains. Most of them were just lead-ins to the next chapter or part of a larger ongoing story that typically ended with the Autobots winning.

Below is a list of winners from each episode's major conflict(s):

1 - Autobots beat up and sent the Vehicons running
2 - Autobots escaped the exploding energon mine, no victory for either side
3 - Ends on a neutral cliffhanger, no victory for either side
4 - Autobots rescue Fowler, escape the Nemesis, and deafea tthe Terrorcon army
5 - Autobots destroy the space bridge, w/ Megs caught in the blast
6 - Autobots and Fowler defeat Skyquake for good
7 - Autobots defeat the horde of Scraplets
8 - Wheeljack escapes the Nemesis and kills Makeshift
9 - Autobots keep the Dingus safe from MECH, beat some Vehicons, and save the kids
10 - Autobots destroy the Energon Harvester and beat the Cons
11 - Autobots beat the Cons and Jack makes good with Vince (for now)
12 - Arcee saves Jack from Airachnid, but she flees, no victory for either side
13 - Autobots save the dying Optimus, Megatron escapes his unconscious body
14 - Megatron uses Bumblebee to revive himself
15 - Starscream loses to the Autobots, who also save the kids form the Shadowzone
16 - Autobots rescue Breakdown from MECH, who are also beaten
17 - Arcee and Fowler save Jack and June from Airachnid and MECH
18 - Autobots get the Polarity Gauntlet by beating Breakdown and Airachnid
19 - Autobots and kids free themselves from the cave
20 - Autobots get the Immobilizer and beat Airachnid, Arcee doesn't kill Starscream (not a loss, just mercy)
21 - Bulkhead's mind is restored, both sides lose the data cylinder info
22 - Ratchet is beaten but has his sense knocked back into him, no real victory for either side
23 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory for either side
24 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory for either side
25 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory for either side
26 - Unicron is put back to sleep, victory for both sides
27 - Optimus, as Orion Pax, becomes a Decepticon
28 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory for either side
29 - Optimus Prime returns, beats Megatron, and goes back to the Autobots
30 - MECH acquires Bumblebee's T-Cog
31 - Bumblebee takes back his T-Cog, Cons get the Forge, MECH takes Starscream's T-Cog
32 - Autobots save Bulkhead from Dreadwing
33 - Airachnid kills Breakdown, but her Insecticon is killed by Megatron
34 - MECH's Nemesis Prime is defeated, Silas is mortally wounded
35 - Clip show, no victory for either side (unelss you count the Autobots regaining the trust of the U.S. government)
36 - Starscream clones are killed, Cons gain Insecticons, Airachnid is frozen, Bulkhead downs the Nemesis
37 - The Nemesis is relaunched, the kids defeat the Nemesis
38 - Autobots and kids beat Knock Out and gain the Phase Shifter
39 - Starscream gets the Apex Armor but loses the fight
40 - Soundwave beats Wheeljack and gets the Resonance Blaster, Ratchet implants a virus into Laserbeak
41 - Bulkhead destroys the Tox-En, but is rendered comatose by it and Hardshell
42 - Miko kills Hardshell, Wheeljack destroys many Insecticons
43 - Flashback, no victory for either side (though, Autobots win in the flashback)
44 - Smokescreen gets the Apex Armor, Starscream gets Red Energon
45 - MECH is all killed, Damocles is destroyed, Cylas is left to his fate
46 - Autobots get the Star Saber
47 - Decepticons make the Dark Star Saber and broke the Star Saber, Smokescreen got the first Onega Key
48 - Cons get second key, Starscream gets third key, Cons kidnap Smokescreen
49 - Smokescreen escapes with two keys, Starscream steals all three keys
50 - Cons get all four keys
51 - Autobots get the Forge and beat the Cons to the Omega lock, Megatron kidnaps the kids

So, really, it's only been about 16/51 episodes so far that have had the bad guys ultimately claiming the upper hand in the main conflict(s) in some form by the episode's conclusion.

Like it was said before,Beast Wars and Armada had victories for the bad guys.
The whole backstory and some episodes of Beast Machines where abou Megatron having the upper hand.
RiD had some important victories for the Predacons too.(Autobot Protoforms,Fortress Maximus and etc..)

I havent wachted the Cybertron series yet,but i'm pretty sure there some victories there too.

What are you talking about? The Decepticons NEVER win in this show. Season one pissed me off because the Autobots won every episode. Season 2 was like that at first too, but the later episodes have been alright. The Decepticons were winning for most of the entire series in Animated...

SlyTF1 wrote:The Decepticons were winning for most of the entire series in Animated...

This is just as big a claim I can break down as well.

1 - Autobots stop Megatron from stealing the AllSpark
2 - Autobots destroy the giant nanotech monster
3 - Autobots defeat Starscream and kepp the AllSpark safe from him
4 - Autobots thwart Megatron's attack on their base
5 - Autobots deafeat Meltdown
6 - Autobots thwart Megatron's plan to use the Dinobots against them
7 - Autobots defeat Lockdown and send him packing
8 - Autobots stop Nanosec from delivering the Destronium to Megatron
9 - Autobots defeat Blackarachnia and get the Key back from her
10 - Bulkhead defeats Soundwave, foiling Megatron's scheme with him
11 - Autobots defeat Lugnut and Blitzwing, keeping the AllSpark safe
12 - Autobots, Sari, and Fanzone thwart Meltdown's plans with the Dinobots
13 - Autobots get Bulkhead's body back from the Headmaster, but he flees having lost, but they save the city from a nuclear crisis
14 - Autobots destroy the Space Barnacles
15 - Decepticons revitalize Megatron
16 - Optimus defeats Megatron and disperse the AllSpark
17 - Autobots convince the Elite Guard of their story and stop the rampaging police bots
18 - Optimus saves Sentinel's body from the Headmaster, who also avoids arrest
19 - Autobots convince the Elite Guard of the Decepticon threat on Earth and capture Starscream
20 - Ratchet gets Wreck-Gar to be a hero and saves the city
21 - Autobots and Sari stop Master Disaster, get his AllSpark fragment, and beat Blitzwing
22 - Constructicons go on their own, no victory is won for either side
23 - Starscream tricks all sides with his clones, but the Autobots prevent them from destroying the city
24 - Swindle is bested by BB, Sari, and SUV; the latter of whom are also sent to jail
25 - Wasp fails to reach the space bridge, but evades recapture, and no victory is won by any Earth-based faction
26 - Meltdown is defeated, while Blackarachnia flees after her own plan is foiled
27 - Sari outsmarts the Constructicons
28 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory is won in this episode
29 - The space bridge is destroyed, and several characters from both sides are lost into the portal
30 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory is won for either side
31 - Optimus beats the Headmaster for good, Sari destroys the Rock Lord, then cliffhanger
32 - Sari is stopped by the Bots, and the Con-controlled Omega Supreme is outsmarted and teleported away
33 - Dirt Boss's plan is defeated and blows up on Dinobot Island, but Lugnut gets away thanks to Ramjet
34 - Wasp's plan is thwarted, but he flees after his loss
35 - Several Decepticons are captured, but Lockdown flees from capture
36 - Blackarachnia and Waspinator are blown to an "Unknown Locale"
37 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory is won for either side
38 - Autobots are freed from Soundwave's control, and Optimus crushes him (though, Laserbeak takes his final component away and is never heard from again)
39 - All the captured Cons are recaptured and sent to prison on Cybertron, except for the missing Lugnut
40 - Ratchet, Fanzone, and Jazz keep the Magnus Hammer and Ultra Magnus safe from Shockwave, but he escapes with Arcee
41 - Episode ends on a cliffhanger, no victory is won for either side
42 - Megatron and his cronies are defeated and captured, Starscream dies, the AllSpark is reconstituted, Prowl sacrifces himself and saves Optimus, and the Supreme clones are destroyed

In this series, enemy victories rank about 9 out of 42 episodes.

A retreat is not a victory if it's the only option one has left after their original plan was thwarted.

For the first time i heard about Cons in Aniamted wining anything. They are heavily outguned and outnumbered, they must hide for milennia and they until series finale can't be a real threat even for a single human City.

Sabrblade wrote:1 - Autobots beat up and sent the Vehicons running

Ju have a memory problems, Autobots in first episode loses Cliffjumper, and they can't even injury 2 Vehicons, witch survived and retreated only because enter of the Bulkhead.

Sabrblade wrote:10 - Autobots destroy the Energon Harvester and beat the Cons

2 new Decepticons come into Earth and they both survived. Also the succesfully steal Energon Harvester.

Sabrblade wrote:18 - Autobots get the Polarity Gauntlet by beating Breakdown and Airachnid

Decepticons forced Airanchid to rejoin into their cause.

20 - Autobots get the Immobilizer and beat Airachnid, Arcee doesn't kill Starscream (not a loss, just mercy)

The weak part of this argument is... Starscream won a fight, he was in far better condition than Arcee at the end.

Also Megatron beaten Optimus so far three time (in Darkness, Rising, seazon 1 finale and in Hard Knocks) While Optimus so far was superior only in Orion Pax part 3. And Decepticons have a huge tactical adventage, they have a Warship, an entire army of soldiers, they can summon new tropes more easily, and they always have enough of energon. Autobots must hide on tiny base using a human technology based hardware, must fight for each scrap of energon and until Prime improve a Ground Bridge into Space Brigde, seems to be separated from other of their kind.