Who still uses Myspace these days?budmaloney wrote:Spoiler alert
If you haven't seen the last episode in season 2 of Transformers Prime, go play Minecraft or walk your dog/minicon. If you don't have a minicon, then Myspace.
No one. The title was just called "Darkest Hour".budmaloney wrote:Our Darkest Hour was episode's title.
But who is saying the word "our"
Um, no. Optimus didn't destroy the planet. Megatorn did. Eons ago. The planet was already DEAD to begin with in this episode. The Autobots had nothing to lose (only gain) in this episode.budmaloney wrote:What Optimus Prime did was unforgivable. It was a repeat of what happened in DOTM. Where he destroys his entire planet, dooming his race for ever. I discussed DOTM before, and how Optimus's juvenile, murderous actions were a series of bad rabid decisions.
Wrong forum.budmaloney wrote:I started thinking, why, why does Hasbro do this? In DOTM there was no closure, because Bay didn't care. The movie just ended. With Prime sucking up to the humans. To us. So that people who saw the film can go home and feel some kind of pride, at the expense of a doomed world. No one commented, all characters were shallow, they didn't moan or complain, or even attempt to kill Prime. The movie just ended.
Where were you when Megs was inflicting irreparable damage upon the Earth? He had to shut off the Omega Lock ASAP to prevent any further damage from being done, and destroying it was the fastest, most direct way to do so. He had no time to stop and ponder the inner workings of the device and twittle his thumbs while considering all avaiable options he had at the time. He had to stop it NOW or risk dooming 6 billion people.budmaloney wrote:Now on to TFP, we have a clos knit group. Who still have feelings, who understand these characters. Prime destroys the Omega key in a rabid, insane berserk rage. Upon seeing the three humans knocking on windows etc ,and Megatron's laughter. That scene reminded me of some crazed high school kid who gets bullied then pulls a Columbine, and shoots up the entire school.
Yes he did. Everything he said came out perfectly clear. They all get where he's coming from, but he doesn't get what all went down in the battle. His conclusions were all based on assumptions and inadequate data.budmaloney wrote:The scene that deserves the most attention ever, is cut off. The producers/ writers cut us off , mid closure. mid any real dialogue about the real struggle.
This is what I hate. They didn't let Ratchet voice his opinion.
Because only he got to express his views, but wouldn't give any of the others a chance to give their side of the story.budmaloney wrote:He was shot down , again and again and again. As if Optimus did nothing wrong.
70 million years. But still, the Autobots LOST the Great War. Whatthe war amounted to was the Great Exodus, a chance for survival by evacuating their dead planet. At the end of it all, Cybertron was the biggest casualty of the war.budmaloney wrote:I repeat
What about our planet? what about our planet?
The 4 MILLION or so years of fighting, of death, of pain.
But never to this extent. The most danger he Cons ever posed was to an individual location each time they appeared. They had never been a global threat before now.budmaloney wrote:What does that amount to the "human race". There must be another way. Was it not the failure of team prime to involve these kids, time and time again. Earth was always in imminent danger.
Cybertron WAS dead already. Like I said, there was nothing about Cybertron's condition at stake in this battle. Things could only improve for the planet. Instead, what result was just a maintenance of the status quo.budmaloney wrote:Had this show taken that extra step, and discussed that part, it would have been A+++, but I was disappointed.
I'm glad Ratchet explained it.
He couldn't contain it.
And this explains the struggle of The Transformers.
Optimus is insane, delusional, and frankly an autocrat. Not willing to listen. Why did he destroy the key? Cybertron is DEAD now.
Considering the alternative was the destruction of a second, living world, he made the right choice. Had he not, BOTH planets would have been doomed.budmaloney wrote:some may argue no, there will be some other power. What if there is no power. It's lost. All because of Optimus.
I sincerely doubt he is dead. They have been very strict about the whole "dead characters stay dead" rule for this show, and Optimus is simply too marketable for them to kill off. Plus, htis show is part of hte larger Aligned continuity, which Optimus likely has much more to play a role in, so they can't kill him if there's more of his story to tell.budmaloney wrote:The writers knew this. The voice actors, felt it. But because it's HAsrbo and because prime, they killed him in the end as if to redeem his mistake.
Oh he died now, so you can't hold him accountable.
Would you sacrifice your own children to save millions of strangers? Serious question.budmaloney wrote:WTH dude! you just killed everyone. Humans included. Now all cybertronians are pissed. Had you packed up your **** and left that base, and put children somewhere else, you wouldn't be in this mess. Had you let these children perish to save millions of cybertronians. This is what the movies argue too. Is the fate of our world not worth a single human life?
No, he's known Megatron perosnally for eons. I think when you know a guy for THAT long, you get a pretty good idea of how they think.budmaloney wrote:Optimus saying Megatron will not stop at one is like fear mongering. He didn't answer the question.
Maybe in Shattered Glass, but not here.budmaloney wrote:It's the Decepticons who truly are the "heroic", not Autobots.
So it was necessary for him to terraform Earth in an act of spite BEFORE saving his own home planet?budmaloney wrote:They are willing to do what's necessary.
Okay, then. Next time the cons show up at your front door wanting your head on a stake, you won't have to worry about the Autobots coming in to stop them.budmaloney wrote:These barbaric Autobots stop them at every turn.
Because the animators are too cheap to show such sequences the Cons were targeting Energon deposits and relic locations ,which were all conveniently in remote areas like canyons and such.budmaloney wrote:I have not seen Decepticons attacking human cities, until after what Prime does. They weren't targeting mass crowds.
All thanks to Megatron for destroying Cybertron in the first place.budmaloney wrote:But now thanks to Prime, they did. All they wanted was mining energon. Because their home was gone.
Yes, how dare he sacrifice a worthless, inhospitable planet to save a living, inhabited one filled with 6 billion innocent lives! The nerve!budmaloney wrote:Ok so maybe Megatron put dark energon or w/e. But in TFP Prime is the villain, Prime is the horrible one.
If you like guys who speak out of line and jump to one-sided conclusions without letting the other side give their fair take of the matter, then, sure!budmaloney wrote:I don't know what else to say, but that scene, that scene was beautiful, if it wasn't for the others ruining it, it would have been perfect.
"Darkeest Hour". No "Our".budmaloney wrote:our darkest hour indeed.
The Autobots were SUPPOSED to lose this season. That was the ENTIRE POINT that this episode was made. Things were meant to go from bad to worse to worse still to even worse to worse worse WORSE. There was to be no hope for victory from the Autobots in this episode because they were not meant to win this time around.budmaloney wrote:More like a deal breaker with Hasrbo. They were doing ok so far, and had to pull a Michael Bay.
What do you guys think?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
budmaloney wrote:our darkest hour indeed. More like a deal breaker with Hasrbo. They were doing ok so far, and had to pull a Michael Bay.
Sabrblade wrote:would you kill your own precious flesh and blood child to save millions of people you've never met and could honestly care less about? Serious question.
Megatron already destroyed Cybertron. Prime could do no more harm than what had already been done.ebilly99 wrote:Ok first Megatron planed for Prime to destroy Cybertron, he needed it gone to begin a campaign to the stars.
He already was (is) a tyrant. He's the tyrannical ruler of the Decepticons.ebilly99 wrote:If he formatted earth he would have been a tyrant.
How could Cybertron be doomed if it's already passed the point of doom?ebilly99 wrote:However doing it after Cybertron is doomed is a necessary risk.
It already did. Eons ago. At the hands of Megatron.ebilly99 wrote:Also to be fair Cybertron needs to die.
There is no Transformer race on Cybertron aside from some vermin.ebilly99 wrote:If not the transformer race will only stagnate.
Cybertron dying was the whole reason they left the planet in the first place.ebilly99 wrote:Now that Cybertron is dead it is no longer Holy. The Bots and cons have no safety net, no protector to save them. There fate is there own. (Robots and empires describes this as well)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Spoilers are my reply cause I do not know how to do the multiquote thing.Sabrblade wrote:Megatron already destroyed Cybertron. Prime could do no more harm than what had already been done.Cybertron was recharging, This could have brought it back. Everyone will remember that, no one will remember who doomed it.ebilly99 wrote:Ok first Megatron planed for Prime to destroy Cybertron, he needed it gone to begin a campaign to the stars.He already was (is) a tyrant. He's the tyrannical ruler of the Decepticons. Politically this will be overlooked, during a war the victor rights the history book.ebilly99 wrote:If he formatted earth he would have been a tyrant.How could Cybertron be doomed if it's already passed the point of doom?It wasn't, Cybertron could be restored with the allspark and the omega lock. Now all that is left is the all spark that can not be found.ebilly99 wrote:However doing it after Cybertron is doomed is a necessary risk.It already did. Eons ago. At the hands of Megatron.More like in a coma. Cybertronians held out hope that it would be back, not that hope is gone.ebilly99 wrote:Also to be fair Cybertron needs to die.There is no Transformer race on Cybertron aside from some vermin. As long as hope survives for a reformed cybertron there was never hope of growth. (Also when we see the stars we will need to destroy earth as well.)ebilly99 wrote:If not the transformer race will only stagnate.Cybertron dying was the whole reason they left the planet in the first place.Optimus left to find the All Spark. Now there is no hope no hope at all.ebilly99 wrote:Now that Cybertron is dead it is no longer Holy. The Bots and cons have no safety net, no protector to save them. There fate is there own. (Robots and empires describes this as well)
It was trying to heal itself of the Dark Energon that had infected it so long ago. That process was complete, but the planet was still lifeless.ebilly99 wrote:Cybertron was recharging, This could have brought it back.
All of the present-day Autobots who were around back then seem to remember Megatron destroying the planet by tainting the core.ebilly99 wrote:Everyone will remember that, no one will remember who doomed it.
Not the Covenant of Primus, though.ebilly99 wrote:Politically this will be overlooked, during a war the victor rights the history book.
Primus is in a coma, but the planet itself is "dead" as in "inhospitable". While it could have been brought back from the dead, there's no worse state for the planet to be in than how it is now (beyond blowing the planet up, but that's another subject).ebilly99 wrote:More like in a coma. Cybertronians held out hope that it would be back, not that hope is gone.
They can still grow if Cybertron is restored, as it could serve as the foundation for a new growth and expansion to beyond. Like, the intergalactic space bridge network linking Cybertron to the colony worlds and to even newer worlds could be fixed and thus would not only branch out the Cybertronian race even further but also help all the diverse Transformer races and other races grow closer together in a grand cosmic neighborhood.ebilly99 wrote:As long as hope survives for a reformed cybertron there was never hope of growth. (Also when we see the stars we will need to destroy earth as well.)
He did not leave to look for the AllSpark. The fact that he picked up on its signal after they left the planet was a stroke of good fortune. He left because:ebilly99 wrote:Optimus left to find the All Spark. Now there is no hope no hope at all.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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