budmaloney wrote:Spoiler alert
If you haven't seen the last episode in season 2 of Transformers Prime, go play Minecraft or walk your dog/minicon. If you don't have a minicon, then Myspace.
Who still uses Myspace these days?
budmaloney wrote:Our Darkest Hour was episode's title.
But who is saying the word "our"
No one. The title was just called "Darkest Hour".
budmaloney wrote:What Optimus Prime did was unforgivable. It was a repeat of what happened in DOTM. Where he destroys his entire planet, dooming his race for ever. I discussed DOTM before, and how Optimus's juvenile, murderous actions were a series of bad rabid decisions.
Um, no. Optimus didn't destroy the planet. Megatorn did. Eons
ago. The planet was already DEAD to begin with in this episode. The Autobots had nothing to lose (only gain) in this episode.
And there was zero way to tell what happened to Cybertron in DOTM. So say it imploded on itself, others say it just went back through the portal to where it was before. Plus, it was Bumblebee, not Optimus, who smashed the master Pillar that broke the space bridge when it shut off.
budmaloney wrote:I started thinking, why, why does Hasbro do this? In DOTM there was no closure, because Bay didn't care. The movie just ended. With Prime sucking up to the humans. To us. So that people who saw the film can go home and feel some kind of pride, at the expense of a doomed world. No one commented, all characters were shallow, they didn't moan or complain, or even attempt to kill Prime. The movie just ended.
budmaloney wrote:Now on to TFP, we have a clos knit group. Who still have feelings, who understand these characters. Prime destroys the Omega key in a rabid, insane berserk rage. Upon seeing the three humans knocking on windows etc ,and Megatron's laughter. That scene reminded me of some crazed high school kid who gets bullied then pulls a Columbine, and shoots up the entire school.
Where were you when Megs was inflicting irreparable damage
upon the Earth? He had to shut off the Omega Lock ASAP to prevent any further damage from being done, and destroying it was the fastest, most direct way to do so. He had no time to stop and ponder the inner workings of the device and twittle his thumbs while considering all avaiable options he had at the time. He had to stop it NOW or risk dooming 6 billion people.
budmaloney wrote:The scene that deserves the most attention ever, is cut off. The producers/ writers cut us off , mid closure. mid any real dialogue about the real struggle.
This is what I hate. They didn't let Ratchet voice his opinion.
Yes he did. Everything he said came out perfectly clear. They all get where he's coming from, but he doesn't get what all went down in the battle. His conclusions were all based on assumptions and inadequate data.
budmaloney wrote:He was shot down , again and again and again. As if Optimus did nothing wrong.
Because only he got to express his views, but wouldn't give any of the others a chance to give their side of the story.
budmaloney wrote:I repeat
What about our planet? what about our planet?
The 4 MILLION or so years of fighting, of death, of pain.
70 million years. But still, the Autobots LOST the Great War. Whatthe war amounted to was the Great Exodus, a chance for survival by evacuating their dead planet. At the end of it all, Cybertron
was the biggest casualty of the war.
budmaloney wrote:What does that amount to the "human race". There must be another way. Was it not the failure of team prime to involve these kids, time and time again. Earth was always in imminent danger.
But never to this extent. The most danger he Cons ever posed was to an individual location each time they appeared. They had never
been a global threat before now.
budmaloney wrote:Had this show taken that extra step, and discussed that part, it would have been A+++, but I was disappointed.
I'm glad Ratchet explained it.
He couldn't contain it.
And this explains the struggle of The Transformers.
Optimus is insane, delusional, and frankly an autocrat. Not willing to listen. Why did he destroy the key? Cybertron is DEAD now.
Cybertron WAS dead already. Like I said, there was nothing about Cybertron's condition at stake in this battle. Things could only improve for the planet. Instead, what result was just a maintenance of the status quo.
budmaloney wrote:some may argue no, there will be some other power. What if there is no power. It's lost. All because of Optimus.
Considering the alternative was the destruction of a second, living world, he made the right choice. Had he not, BOTH planets would have been doomed.
budmaloney wrote:The writers knew this. The voice actors, felt it. But because it's HAsrbo and because prime, they killed him in the end as if to redeem his mistake.
Oh he died now, so you can't hold him accountable.
I sincerely doubt he is dead. They have been very strict about the whole "dead characters stay dead" rule for this show, and Optimus is simply too marketable for them to kill off. Plus, htis show is part of hte larger Aligned continuity, which Optimus likely has much more to play a role in, so they can't kill him if there's more of his story to tell.
budmaloney wrote:WTH dude! you just killed everyone. Humans included. Now all cybertronians are pissed. Had you packed up your shit and left that base, and put children somewhere else, you wouldn't be in this mess. Had you let these children perish to save millions of cybertronians. This is what the movies argue too. Is the fate of our world not worth a single human life?
Would you sacrifice your own children to save millions of strangers? Serious question.
Plus, there were no Cybertronians on Cybertron (save for the odd Insecticon or whatever other vermin there might be) because the planet has been DEAD for eons.
budmaloney wrote:Optimus saying Megatron will not stop at one is like fear mongering. He didn't answer the question.
No, he's known Megatron perosnally for eons. I think when you know a guy for THAT long, you get a pretty good idea of how they think.
budmaloney wrote:It's the Decepticons who truly are the "heroic", not Autobots.
Maybe in Shattered Glass, but not here.
budmaloney wrote:They are willing to do what's necessary.
So it was necessary for him to terraform Earth in an act of spite BEFORE saving his own home planet?
budmaloney wrote:These barbaric Autobots stop them at every turn.
Okay, then. Next time the cons show up at your front door wanting your head on a stake, you won't have to worry about the Autobots coming in to stop them.
budmaloney wrote:I have not seen Decepticons attacking human cities, until after what Prime does. They weren't targeting mass crowds.
Because the animators are too cheap to show such sequences
the Cons were targeting Energon deposits and relic locations ,which were all conveniently
in remote areas like canyons and such.
Plus, Megatron was going to attack mass crowds had he borught his Terrorcon army to Earth way back in episode 5. That was his plan then.
budmaloney wrote:But now thanks to Prime, they did. All they wanted was mining energon. Because their home was gone.
All thanks to Megatron for destroying Cybertron in the first place.
And, they were gonna use all that Energon to conquer the Earth.
budmaloney wrote:Ok so maybe Megatron put dark energon or w/e. But in TFP Prime is the villain, Prime is the horrible one.
Yes, how dare he sacrifice a worthless, inhospitable planet to save a living, inhabited one filled with 6 billion innocent lives! The nerve!
budmaloney wrote:I don't know what else to say, but that scene, that scene was beautiful, if it wasn't for the others ruining it, it would have been perfect.
If you like guys who speak out of line and jump to one-sided conclusions without letting the other side give their fair take of the matter, then, sure!
budmaloney wrote:our darkest hour indeed.
"Darkeest Hour". No "Our".
budmaloney wrote:More like a deal breaker with Hasrbo. They were doing ok so far, and had to pull a Michael Bay.
What do you guys think?
The Autobots were SUPPOSED to lose this season. That was the ENTIRE POINT that this episode was made. Things were meant to go from bad to worse to worse still to even worse to worse worse WORSE. There was to be no hope for victory from the Autobots in this episode because they were not meant to win this time around.
And, again, would you kill your own precious flesh and blood child to save millions of people you've never met and could honestly care less about? Serious question.