The most important Scene in TFP, and perhaps all TF
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:27 pm
Spoiler alert
If you haven't seen the last episode in season 2 of Transformers Prime, go play Minecraft or walk your dog/minicon. If you don't have a minicon, then Myspace.
I'm not putting tags because I want people to read it without the highlighting and read it comfortably
Our Darkest Hour was episode's title.
But who is saying the word "our"
I'm going to take a stab and suggest that this darkest hour is the Cybertronians, the Transformers as a whole and definitely not the Autobots.
What Optimus Prime did was unforgivable. It was a repeat of what happened in DOTM. Where he destroys his entire planet, dooming his race for ever. I discussed DOTM before, and how Optimus's juvenile, murderous actions were a series of bad rabid decisions.
I started thinking, why, why does Hasbro do this? In DOTM there was no closure, because Bay didn't care. The movie just ended. With Prime sucking up to the humans. To us. So that people who saw the film can go home and feel some kind of pride, at the expense of a doomed world. No one commented, all characters were shallow, they didn't moan or complain, or even attempt to kill Prime. The movie just ended.
Now on to TFP, we have a clos knit group. Who still have feelings, who understand these characters. Prime destroys the Omega key in a rabid, insane berserk rage. Upon seeing the three humans knocking on windows etc ,and Megatron's laughter. That scene reminded me of some crazed high school kid who gets bullied then pulls a Columbine, and shoots up the entire school.
Prime goes back to Earth, and we get a scene. A scene that is truly heartbreaking and emotional.
Ratchet's response to discovering that Prime destroyed the key. What a performance.
When team Prime return to base, Ratchet notices the children were on Cybertron, and asks what happened.
Bulk informs him that Optimus destroyed the key
Ratchet: "What? you did.."
Optimus: "What was necessary, there was no time for another prolonged battle, not with Earth in imminent danger"
Ratchet: "So you destroyed the only device in any universe capable of restoring our home?" and in a cheap move by the writers, they try to add comic relief in what could be the worst place to put this line, Ratchet says his famous line
"oh Optimus, we needed that"
Smokescreen defends Optimus and tells Ratchet it's not his place to second guess a battle field decision.
Ratchet, enraged, says "IT MOST CERTAINLY IS" nothing can be more human than this response, responsible, caring, medic.
Following with "THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER WAY"
The annoying kids say, it wasn't that simple "Ratchet" with an angry inflection, and explain Megatron was trying to attack the Earth, Miko finally says "Optimus was trying to save our planet"
And comes the most amazing line in the entire series and perhaps in the franchise
"WHAT ABOUT OUR PLANET?"
Music escalating emotionally, camera panning on a collapsing figure
"All of our struggles and energon spilled and countless sacrifices, for NOTHING? " music continues, then
then Arcee says, insisting on the stupidity
"right decision or wrong, what's done is done, but we have another problem here in this world, the cons just changed the rules when they put Jack, Miko, and Raph into play"
and we ARE CUT OFF by FOWLER!
The scene that deserves the most attention ever, is cut off. The producers/ writers cut us off , mid closure. mid any real dialogue about the real struggle.
This is what I hate. They didn't let Ratchet voice his opinion.
He was shot down , again and again and again. As if Optimus did nothing wrong.
I repeat
What about our planet? what about our planet?
The 4 MILLION or so years of fighting, of death, of pain.
What does that amount to the "human race". There must be another way. Was it not the failure of team prime to involve these kids, time and time again. Earth was always in imminent danger.
Had this show taken that extra step, and discussed that part, it would have been A+++, but I was disappointed.
I'm glad Ratchet explained it.
He couldn't contain it.
And this explains the struggle of The Transformers.
Optimus is insane, delusional, and frankly an autocrat. Not willing to listen. Why did he destroy the key? Cybertron is DEAD now.
some may argue no, there will be some other power. What if there is no power. It's lost. All because of Optimus.
The writers knew this. The voice actors, felt it. But because it's HAsrbo and because prime, they killed him in the end as if to redeem his mistake.
Oh he died now, so you can't hold him accountable.
WTH dude! you just killed everyone. Humans included. Now all cybertronians are pissed. Had you packed up your **** and left that base, and put children somewhere else, you wouldn't be in this mess. Had you let these children perish to save millions of cybertronians. This is what the movies argue too. Is the fate of our world not worth a single human life?
Optimus saying Megatron will not stop at one is like fear mongering. He didn't answer the question.
It's the Decepticons who truly are the "heroic", not Autobots. They are willing to do what's necessary. These barbaric Autobots stop them at every turn. I have not seen Decepticons attacking human cities, until after what Prime does. They weren't targeting mass crowds. But now thanks to Prime, they did. All they wanted was mining energon. Because their home was gone. Ok so maybe Megatron put dark energon or w/e. But in TFP Prime is the villain, Prime is the horrible one.
I don't know what else to say, but that scene, that scene was beautiful, if it wasn't for the others ruining it, it would have been perfect.
our darkest hour indeed. More like a deal breaker with Hasrbo. They were doing ok so far, and had to pull a Michael Bay.
What do you guys think?
If you haven't seen the last episode in season 2 of Transformers Prime, go play Minecraft or walk your dog/minicon. If you don't have a minicon, then Myspace.
I'm not putting tags because I want people to read it without the highlighting and read it comfortably
Our Darkest Hour was episode's title.
But who is saying the word "our"
I'm going to take a stab and suggest that this darkest hour is the Cybertronians, the Transformers as a whole and definitely not the Autobots.
What Optimus Prime did was unforgivable. It was a repeat of what happened in DOTM. Where he destroys his entire planet, dooming his race for ever. I discussed DOTM before, and how Optimus's juvenile, murderous actions were a series of bad rabid decisions.
I started thinking, why, why does Hasbro do this? In DOTM there was no closure, because Bay didn't care. The movie just ended. With Prime sucking up to the humans. To us. So that people who saw the film can go home and feel some kind of pride, at the expense of a doomed world. No one commented, all characters were shallow, they didn't moan or complain, or even attempt to kill Prime. The movie just ended.
Now on to TFP, we have a clos knit group. Who still have feelings, who understand these characters. Prime destroys the Omega key in a rabid, insane berserk rage. Upon seeing the three humans knocking on windows etc ,and Megatron's laughter. That scene reminded me of some crazed high school kid who gets bullied then pulls a Columbine, and shoots up the entire school.
Prime goes back to Earth, and we get a scene. A scene that is truly heartbreaking and emotional.
Ratchet's response to discovering that Prime destroyed the key. What a performance.
When team Prime return to base, Ratchet notices the children were on Cybertron, and asks what happened.
Bulk informs him that Optimus destroyed the key
Ratchet: "What? you did.."
Optimus: "What was necessary, there was no time for another prolonged battle, not with Earth in imminent danger"
Ratchet: "So you destroyed the only device in any universe capable of restoring our home?" and in a cheap move by the writers, they try to add comic relief in what could be the worst place to put this line, Ratchet says his famous line
"oh Optimus, we needed that"
Smokescreen defends Optimus and tells Ratchet it's not his place to second guess a battle field decision.
Ratchet, enraged, says "IT MOST CERTAINLY IS" nothing can be more human than this response, responsible, caring, medic.
Following with "THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER WAY"
The annoying kids say, it wasn't that simple "Ratchet" with an angry inflection, and explain Megatron was trying to attack the Earth, Miko finally says "Optimus was trying to save our planet"
And comes the most amazing line in the entire series and perhaps in the franchise
"WHAT ABOUT OUR PLANET?"
Music escalating emotionally, camera panning on a collapsing figure
"All of our struggles and energon spilled and countless sacrifices, for NOTHING? " music continues, then
then Arcee says, insisting on the stupidity
"right decision or wrong, what's done is done, but we have another problem here in this world, the cons just changed the rules when they put Jack, Miko, and Raph into play"
and we ARE CUT OFF by FOWLER!
The scene that deserves the most attention ever, is cut off. The producers/ writers cut us off , mid closure. mid any real dialogue about the real struggle.
This is what I hate. They didn't let Ratchet voice his opinion.
He was shot down , again and again and again. As if Optimus did nothing wrong.
I repeat
What about our planet? what about our planet?
The 4 MILLION or so years of fighting, of death, of pain.
What does that amount to the "human race". There must be another way. Was it not the failure of team prime to involve these kids, time and time again. Earth was always in imminent danger.
Had this show taken that extra step, and discussed that part, it would have been A+++, but I was disappointed.
I'm glad Ratchet explained it.
He couldn't contain it.
And this explains the struggle of The Transformers.
Optimus is insane, delusional, and frankly an autocrat. Not willing to listen. Why did he destroy the key? Cybertron is DEAD now.
some may argue no, there will be some other power. What if there is no power. It's lost. All because of Optimus.
The writers knew this. The voice actors, felt it. But because it's HAsrbo and because prime, they killed him in the end as if to redeem his mistake.
Oh he died now, so you can't hold him accountable.
WTH dude! you just killed everyone. Humans included. Now all cybertronians are pissed. Had you packed up your **** and left that base, and put children somewhere else, you wouldn't be in this mess. Had you let these children perish to save millions of cybertronians. This is what the movies argue too. Is the fate of our world not worth a single human life?
Optimus saying Megatron will not stop at one is like fear mongering. He didn't answer the question.
It's the Decepticons who truly are the "heroic", not Autobots. They are willing to do what's necessary. These barbaric Autobots stop them at every turn. I have not seen Decepticons attacking human cities, until after what Prime does. They weren't targeting mass crowds. But now thanks to Prime, they did. All they wanted was mining energon. Because their home was gone. Ok so maybe Megatron put dark energon or w/e. But in TFP Prime is the villain, Prime is the horrible one.
I don't know what else to say, but that scene, that scene was beautiful, if it wasn't for the others ruining it, it would have been perfect.
our darkest hour indeed. More like a deal breaker with Hasrbo. They were doing ok so far, and had to pull a Michael Bay.
What do you guys think?