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Saber Prime wrote:According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.
Close, but, in this series, digivolution is actually activated by the use of the Digisoul (D.N.A. Charge in the dub), whcih itself is human emotion manifested intoa state of power. While most of the characters are capable of summoning their Digisouls at will, Marcus is a different case. For some reason, he is required to punch out the digimon he is fighting in order to evoke his Digisoul, which then grants Agumon his digivolution ability. Agumon can't digivolve with out the Digisoul, and Marcus can't summon it without punching out the enemy. But after it's summoned, as long as he holds that emotion he was feeling when he delivered the punch, the Digisoul will remain summoned in oreder for him to charge it.
For example, in episode 2, Marcus tries to digivolve Agumon without punching the enemy, but his Digisoul won't activate for some reason. It is not until after he punches the monster that the Digisoul is summoned, charged, then Agumon digivolves.
None of the characters were telling Marcus to quit using his fists to fight with. It may have sounded like that in a way, but they were really telling him to use more than
his fists, meaning his heart as well.
Saber Prime wrote:It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.
When did any of that happen? The only times Marcus was surprised by the reaction he got after punching out a digimon were in episode 1, when he fist summoned his Digisoul and didn't have a clue as to what this orange thing on his hand was, and in episode 3, when he realized he couldn't punch the DemiMeramon because their bodies weren't dense enough.
And how do you figure that he thinks Agumon digivolving is a side effect? Many
times has he acknowledged that the Digisoul he gets from punching the digimon is what enables Agumon to digivolve. Otherwise, he wouldn't bother to go through that whole "Digisoul, Charge!" sequence.
And he knows about the whole emotion thing. But like I said he needs to connect a punch to the enemy for some reason in order for his Digisoul to work. I'll admit there were some exceptions to this, but they can be explained. Like, in episode 13, he didn't need to punch to make GeoGreymon become RizeGreymon, but he had previously given a punch to make Agumon become GeoGreymon, and may have kept that emotion going the whole time, and then charged it up to a Digisoul at its full potential. Also, in episode 46, he doen't puch to summon the Digisoul at all, but due to the situation, his emotions must've gone off the acale enough to summon a Digisoul without needing a punch. After all, he was being asked/forced to kill his own father. If I were asked to murder my dad, I'd be feeling pretty emotional too.
Saber Prime wrote:I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.
Well, there's your problem. Three episodes a 48-episode series does not make.
You're joking, right? It's "BanchoLeomon" (Bahn-choh-Lee-oh-mon). He doens't even wear a poncho, he wears a gakuran blazer.
That "random old man" is Homer Yushima, the Commander-General of DATS. And he does so have a partner: Kamemon. He's used him to fight several times in the series.
And I'm not gonna repeat what I said about Marcus' Digisoul, but I will add that his is called the burning Digisoul of Anger, and it would seem that anger is the what one usually feels when he/she gives out a violent punch. Since its easy to feel angry when punching, that's probably why Marcus punches to summon his Digisoul. But that's just what I figure.
And I'm glad he's actually trying to fight back. At leastr he's not being lazy or a coward like some of those guys from the past series. Where they go run and take cover while the digimon does all the work. At least he's not like a cheerleader who jsut stands off to the side ALL THE TIME and doen't get his hands dirty.
Yes, there were some human characters that did some fighting in the past series, but they weren't as prominent as Marcus. The Tamers did help a bit with teir modify cards, and did do some fighting when they Biomerged. And the Frontier DDs fought in their digimon forms. But none of the Tamers or the S4 DDs fought as regular humans like Marcus. Well, Koji did fight like that, but only once. After he got his spirit, never again did he fight as a human.
Saber Prime wrote:He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.
Watch episode 6. He gets in an argument with Agumon, thay split, he actually tries to fight by himself, he realizes he can't, regrets ditching Agumon, Agumon comes back, they make up, and then they team up once again to win the fight. Marcus is well aware that he needs Agumon just as much as Agumon needs him. You can't really have one without the other.
Saber Prime wrote:You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.
Maybe it would help if you told me which three episodes you saw, so you can back your claims better, instead of basing it solely on first impressions and opinions.