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[Saber Prime]

How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?

I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.

Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

Anyone else?

[Sabrblade]

How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?

I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.

Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

Anyone else?

Strika was still female in Beast Wars Returns, where she was known as "Stryka". In fact, they even redecoed her toy pink to make it more feminine.

Also, that orange Mini-Con from Armada that turned into a motor scooter that always hung out with Alexis was female in Micron Legend. It's name was "Arcee" there. It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor". Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.

[Rodimus2006]

Look like i said this is all cool info corcerning the past of the Transformers Mythology.

Look I am just excited that there is a upcoming season 3 of Transformers Animated.


Which is not just rumors and speculations or just educated guesses bye fans off of unofficial tf web pages.

It still sucks we have to wait almost another half-a-year away.

Like I said they are going to show Animated about the same time as ROTF comes out in June.

Thus make a killing of of Transformers

TF-Animated S3

TF-ROTF

TF-ROTF The Videogame mulitplatform

Maybe new upcoming DVD box sets of past TF cartoons such as RiD

TF-ROTF The Soundtrack

TF-ROTF The Ofiicial Score of the Movie

Also the Toylines of TF-ROTF The movie such as Deluxe and Voyager class types.

Also Comic Book and novels about the movie such as Starscream and the other one that is out bye the IDW Comics.


Look I knew that the upcoming movie would not be about the Fallen character from the IDW comics but about revenge of a fallen character from part 1.

Thus the returning Megatron. But what I am most curious about is who brings Megatron back to life, or is he already alive or maybe he consumed the All-Spark into himelf and it regenerated him over a bit of time.

From what I have been reading of the previous scripts from the movie is that they use the Spark of Scorpinok to revive Megatron and that Soundwave plays another huge part of reviving Megatron also.

Also I guess that means that Megatron will not be seen in the movie until the end of the movie again.


Thus Starscream will be in command and possible feuding against Soundwave cause he is loyal lieutenant of Megatron.

If the Fallen Character from the IDW comics is indeed in the movie like most people are claiming. He could have been already on Earth but is currently in hibernation or in stasis somewhere hidden on Earth.

Maybe the Egyptian Temples hold a secret or maybe the hold the Fallen himself is in prisoned in one of the temples.

Or maybe they need to use the Temples in order to revive Megatron.

Also it was stated somewhere that the Egyptian Temples have the same Cybertronian Language as seen on Megatron and Optimus Heads.

I guess no one will no the truth until the movie is out or some new trailers are shown.

Look here is my theory on when a trailer will be 1st seen.

The Teaser Trailer will be shown at the Academy Awards This is in Jan or Feb or 09 and could be similar to how they done the Mars Beagle Rover thing but not necessarily the same thing but somewhat similar.


The Main Trailer will be shown with Star Trek in April.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.

Japans Headmasters has no connection to the U.S.'s Rebirth.

Takara did not like Hasbro's concept for the Headmasters toyline so they created their own serries that takes place after "the Return of Optimus Prime".

The Japanese Headmasters was created,produced and aired months before "the Rebirth".

So Japan's Headmasters came first.

How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?

Good question

I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.

Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

Anyone else?

The only one I can remember right now is G1 Starscream in France.He was voiced as a female in france and if I'm right was referred to as "SHE" and "HER" in stories.

[Saber Prime]

It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".

That character was only missnamed in one episode. The toy name as you called it was actully it's show name for most of the series. There was only 1 error where she was called Grindor and the skate board was never called Sureshock.

There were ALOT of errors where Optimus Prime kept calling his Mini-con Leader-1. There was only ONE time when Sparkplug was actully called by his correct name. I think Optimus even called other Mini-cons Sparkplug just never the one who the name actully belong to.

Alexis was the one who called Sparkplug by the correct name and she was allso the one who called Sureshock Grindor that one time.

Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.

I don't think Mini-con genders were EVER mentioned. I allways assume Suresure was female just because they paired her with Alexis and the American shows seem to turn characters like that female whenever they're paired with female humans.

One of the original Digimon trainers who's name I can't remember for the life of me right now, her Digimon partner had a female voice actress and was offten refered to as being female despite the fact her final form was obviously male. I don't think the US saw this form till after they made the character female and I'm actully surprised the show kept going after that.

I happen to catch a few episodes of a newer Digimon series with the same Digimon only they changed it's evolution so now it doesn't have the male looking evolution and they made it male this time around.

Either way it's wrong because the Rookie form is pink and looks like a girl then it changes into a character with a topless human male torso.

Here's some pictures for you.





Yes thoughs are the same character. Apperently Digimon can change gender when they digivolve. I think in another series they desided to exsplain in the US that Digimon have no gender just to cover this up.

BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.

[Dead Metal]

Lol Digimon have no Gender?

[Sabrblade]

It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".

That character was only missnamed in one episode. The toy name as you called it was actully it's show name for most of the series. There was only 1 error where she was called Grindor and the skate board was never called Sureshock.

There were ALOT of errors where Optimus Prime kept calling his Mini-con Leader-1. There was only ONE time when Sparkplug was actully called by his correct name. I think Optimus even called other Mini-cons Sparkplug just never the one who the name actully belong to.

Alexis was the one who called Sparkplug by the correct name and she was allso the one who called Sureshock Grindor that one time.

Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.

I don't think Mini-con genders were EVER mentioned. I allways assume Suresure was female just because they paired her with Alexis and the American shows seem to turn characters like that female whenever they're paired with female humans.

I remember MANY times when Rad Carlos and Alexis yelled out these words:

Rad: "High Wire!" (refering to the bike)
Carlos: "Sureshock!" (refering to the skateboard)
Alexis: "Grindor!" (refering to the scooter)

I own all of Armada on DVD and watched it all a little while back. They yelled out those names just like that at least five times throughout the series.

One of the original Digimon trainers who's name I can't remember for the life of me right now, her Digimon partner had a female voice actress and was offten refered to as being female despite the fact her final form was obviously male. I don't think the US saw this form till after they made the character female and I'm actully surprised the show kept going after that.

I happen to catch a few episodes of a newer Digimon series with the same Digimon only they changed it's evolution so now it doesn't have the male looking evolution and they made it male this time around.

Either way it's wrong because the Rookie form is pink and looks like a girl then it changes into a character with a topless human male torso.

Here's some pictures for you.





Yes thoughs are the same character. Apperently Digimon can change gender when they digivolve. I think in another series they desided to exsplain in the US that Digimon have no gender just to cover this up.

BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.

I you can get you're facts about Dighimon straight then don't bother bringing them up.

The DigiDestined you're thinking of is Sora. Her digimon is Biyomon. Her "final form", as you call it, is Garudamon. Garudamon was definately female in season 1. It is impossible for a digimon to change its gender, PERIOD.

It the latest series, Data Squad, there is another Biyomon who is male this time and its difference from the first one besides its gender and voice is that its Champion was changed from a Birdramon to an Aquilamon.

Lol Digimon have no Gender?

Don't believe that one line from Renamon. It's blalantly obvious that digimon can be classified into genders. Just look at Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon, Sakuyamon, this other Sakuyamon, Rosemon, Lilthmon, Lotusmon, Kazemon, and many others. These are all obviously female digimon.

If you consider all those to be "its", then you really must be blind or something.

[Saber Prime]

I remember MANY times when Rad Carlos and Alexis yelled out these words:

Rad: "High Wire!" (refering to the bike)
Carlos: "Sureshock!" (refering to the skateboard)
Alexis: "Grindor!" (refering to the scooter)

I own all of Armada on DVD and watched it all a little while back. They yelled out those names just like that at least five times throughout the series.

Belive me, I hated Armada, I know how offten they screwed up names and the children didn't screw up that offten. In fact the majoirty of the time they were the only ones who got the Mini-cons names right throughout the series. As I pointed out earlier Alexis was the only character to call Prime's Mini-con by his correct name, Sparkplug.

Sureshock has been missnamed at least twice, once as Grindor and another time as Sparkplug. Optimus has only said the name Sparkplug once that I can remember and he was talking to Sureshock when he said it. His own mini-con was constantly refered to as Leader-1.

Just to add to the Mini-con confusion, Jetstorm and Runway were switching names in the show and on toy packaging.

Maybe I missed some episodes of Armada that I couldn't find on YouTube where the names were revered more by the kids but I'm allmost sertain the kids had the largest track record for getting names right.

I you can get you're facts about Dighimon straight then don't bother bringing them up.

As I said, speculation, never claimed they were facts. Go back, read it again, and check out the last paragraph.

BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.

The DigiDestined you're thinking of is Sora. Her digimon is Biyomon. Her "final form", as you call it, is Garudamon. Garudamon was definately female in season 1. It is impossible for a digimon to change its gender, PERIOD.

Biyomon was female. Garudamon was obviously male. They can't let a female go around topless like that in the states.

Lol Digimon have no Gender?

Don't believe that one line from Renamon. It's blalantly obvious that digimon can be classified into genders. Just look at Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon, Sakuyamon, this other Sakuyamon, Rosemon, Lilthmon, Lotusmon, Kazemon, and many others. These are all obviously female digimon.

If you consider all those to be "its", then you really must be blind or something.

Now who doesn't have their "facts" straight. You're just going to blantantly ignore cannon and say Digimon do have genders when according to the cartoon they don't.

Not really a matter of what they look like it's more a matter of what's cannon and according to the cannon at least for the US Digimon are genderless.

Now I'd agree with your opinion that all thoughs are obviously female but then again Garudamon has an obviously male chest despite it's evolution from a small pink bird with a female voice. So as you said yourself, if you can classify Garudamon as being female, you must be blind.

Either Digimon are genderless or they can change genders as they digivolve. One of the two. How else can you exsplain the female Biyomon to the Male Garudamon?

BTW Kazemon is not even a Digimon. She is a human girl named Zoe in Digimon form. The Digidestin of that series didn't have Digimon partners. Insted they became Digimon themselfs.

[Dead Metal]

they had genders in the cartoon they addressed each other as he and she. Well at least in the German dub.

[Sabrblade]

Oh for crying out loud. Garudamon is a Beast digimon, not a Human digimon. It doesn't have to look female to be a female. Why there's even a male Sakuyamon in Digimon World Data Squad and it looks the same as the female one.

And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind. Look at the four evil hybrids aside from Duskmon. They were formed by the merge of ther spirits and some random Digi-Eggs. The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.

And it's well known that the show has made several errors in each series. They've always referred to digimon he/his/him and she/hers/her.

Let's look at it this way:

In episode 3.49, "D-Reaper's Feast," Renamon notes that "Digimon aren't divided into genders" - the line in the original version directly translates as: "By nature, distinctions of gender do not exist among digimon." Also, in describing Renamon, Tamers writer Chiaki Konaka states that "officially, Digimon do not have gender." But he himself notes that "If anything, gender seems fairly easy to identify in digimon," and says that Sakuyamon was clearly feminine.

To clarify some word misuse - Digimon ARE classified into gender, because gender is a cultural classification, where one is considered "he" or "she." Digimon quite blatantly and undeniably have that. It is being professed here that Digimon do not have SEXES, the physical classification of being male and female - which holds true for MOST Digimon, but characters such as Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon and, as Konaka notes, Sakuyamon, are quite blatantly female. So, the fact of the matter is that even the officials do not adhere to the official statement on the matter.