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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:50 pm

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Rodimus2006 wrote:It is sad cause I done forgot what it was about and like I said it was almost a decade ago back in the early 90's.

Damn I am getting old.


Not really. RiD aired on TV in 2001-2002. The TF show that was on in the early 90s was Transformers Generation 2, then Beast Wars in 1996.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Rodimus2006 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:49 pm

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Sorry Like I said it has been along time since I even last saw RiD.

Also I though Generation 2 was just Comic-Deal or a Japan only thing.

Also it was Beast Wars, then Beast Machines followed bye the Unicron Trilogy of Armada, Energon and Cybertron.


I am sure Beast Machines played after RiD was over with as Generation 2 was never seen in the US.


Generation 2 is were Megatron is a Tank not a gun. also introduced a lot of new characters.


I always thought G2 was a Comic-Book and it was only Shown in Japan on TV.

If it was shown here in the states I must have missed it cause I only remember Beast Machines and RiD and of course G1 and Beast Wars.


Shown in the USA

Transformers Generation 1
Trransformers The Movie
Transformers The Rebirth
Transformers RiD
Transformers Beast Wars
Transformers Beast Machines
Transformers Armada
Transformers Energon
Transformers Cybertron
Transformers Animated

Not seen or shown in the US

Beast Wars 2
Beast Wars Neo could be just Beast Wars 2 Neo
Transformers Victory
Transformers The Headmasters or Season 4 of G1
Transformers Super God Master Force


I am a little confused on Beast Wars I no that they were more shows of it in Japan but I am not exactly sure on the name of it

Beast Wars 2 or Beast Wars 2 Neo


But I watched alot of cartoons back in the early 90's and I do not remeber seeing Generation 2 on TV here in the states.

I always watched FOX, Disney and of course Toonami was getting going in the early 90's and of course they were other channels also that showed toons also SCI-FI channel also showed cartoons on it also when it was 1st on cable.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:06 am

Rodimus2006 wrote:Also I though Generation 2 was just Comic-Deal or a Japan only thing.


It was however in the cartoon they redid some exsisting G1 episodes with EXSTREMLY annoying CGI effects between scenes and called it G2 however it was just G1 with stupid effects added in.

The japan/comic whatever it was G2 was actully a continuation of G1. So if you want to get overly technical the REAL G2 never hit the U.S. except maybe in comics and toys. The cartoon got a fake G2 which was actully still part of G1.

Also it was Beast Wars, then Beast Machines followed bye the Unicron Trilogy of Armada, Energon and Cybertron.

I am sure Beast Machines played after RiD was over with as Generation 2 was never seen in the US.


Nope R.I.D. took place in between Beast Machines and Armada. R.I.D. was allso the last Transformers series to air on Fox Kids as whoever took over the network and changed the name to the Fox Box got rid of all the shows I use to watch and replaced them with mostly really stupid crap like that pinyada show.

Again we did get something which they refered to as G2 but it was only G1 episodes redone with really stupid CGI effects.

Generation 2 is were Megatron is a Tank not a gun. also introduced a lot of new characters.

I always thought G2 was a Comic-Book and it was only Shown in Japan on TV.


Yes but not in the US cartoon. G2 was just G1 episodes with stupid CGI effects that happen every 5 sec.

Transformers Generation 1
Trransformers The Movie
Transformers The Rebirth
Transformers RiD
Transformers Beast Wars
Transformers Beast Machines
Transformers Armada
Transformers Energon
Transformers Cybertron
Transformers Animated


Earlier you said R.I.D. happen between Beast Wars and Beast Machines now you're saying it happen before Beast Wars and you're wrong on both accounts.

Transformers Generation 1 (Technically speaking both the movie and the rebirth were still part of G1 so you really didn't need to list them seperatly. There were 2 seasons of G1 then the movie, then season 3, then the Rebirth, and then I belive the fake G2.)
Transformers Beast Wars
Transformers Beast Machines
Transformers RiD
Transformers Armada
Transformers Energon
Transformers Cybertron
Micheal Bay's Transformers (You completly forgot this one but I don't really blame you, I hated that movie.)
Transformers Animated

Beast Wars 2
Beast Wars Neo
Transformers Victory
Transformers The Headmasters or Season 4 of G1
Transformers Super God Master Force


Again out of order and you might be missing some, I'm not really sure.

Headmasters would be first, then Victory and Super God Master Force but I don't know what order thoughs two are in, Beast Wars 2 and Beast Wars Neo yes you were right they are two different series would be last in that order.

I actully can't remember or just don't know what network originally showed G1 but I think it was Fox.

Beast Wars, Beast Machines, and R.I.D. I know were on Fox Kids but after R.I.D. ended Fox Kids turned into the Fox Box and their rateings probly droped from there sence their shows mostly suck now.

Armada, Energon, Cybertron, and Animated all played on Cartoon Network. Cybertron allso had a short run on Kids WB but I don't think they had the full series and just showed reruns that allready played on Cartoon Network.

I've noticed Cartoon Network and Kids WB have ALOT of the same shows so I'm inclined to belive they're run by the same people.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:07 am

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Rodimus2006 wrote:
Also I though Generation 2 was just Comic-Deal or a Japan only thing.


There was a Generation 2 cartoon shown in the U.S. but it was a re-edit of the G1 cartoon

Heres the first episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MAjbv1pDNc


Rodimus2006 wrote:I am sure Beast Machines played after RiD was over with


No....RID came out in the US after Beast Machines.But its the other way around in Japan.


Rodimus2006 wrote: as Generation 2 was never seen in the US.


Yes it was. :grin:

Rodimus2006 wrote:Generation 2 is were Megatron is a Tank not a gun. also introduced a lot of new characters.


Correct but the G2 cartoon was a re-edit of the G1 cartoon with no new animation so in the G2 cartoon Megatron was still a gun.

Rodimus2006 wrote:But I watched alot of cartoons back in the early 90's and I do not remeber seeing Generation 2 on TV here in the states.


Yep you missed it.

But to tell the truth I think they only re-edited about 13 episodes.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Rodimus2006 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:28 pm

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Look this is all cool info regarding Transfomrers past history "what was shown and not shown here in the USA".


Look like I said it is just cool that Transformers Animated Season 3 is coming out next spring.

The bad thing is that it is still almost 6 or 7 months aways from now.

But they are plety of stuff to keep us busy while we are waiting on it.

Transformers Enegergon DVD Box Set

Stargate Antlantis Season 5

Stargate Universe coming out next year

Knight Rider

Terminator The Sarah Connors Chronicles

Code Geass



See like I said alot on to keep us busy and I am not even getting started on the games cause they are to many to be listed.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:19 pm

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This is the correct order of each series release.

U.S.:
  • G1 season 1
  • G1 season 2
  • G1 movie
  • G1 season 3
  • G1 season 4 A.K.A. The Rebirth
  • G1 season 5 (reruns with a Powermaster Prime puppet telling the stories)
  • G2 (again reruns but with added effects)
  • Beast Wars season 1
  • Beast Wars season 2
  • Beast Wars season 3
  • Beast Machines season 1
  • Beast Machines season 2
  • RiD
  • Armada
  • Energon
  • Cybertron
  • live movie
  • Animated season 1
  • Animated season 2
Then there's Animated season 3 and Revenge of the Fallen. We'll wait and see which one comes first.

In Japan it went like this:
  • Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers)
  • Scramble City
  • Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers 2010 (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010, or just Transformers 2010)
  • The Headmasters
  • Chojin Master Force (Super-god Masterforce)
  • Victory
  • Zone
  • G1 movie (don't know what it's called in Japan, but it's not called "Matrix Forever")
  • Beast Wars Cho Seimeitai Transformers (Beast Wars Super Lifeform Transformers)
  • Beast Wars II Cho Seimeitai Transformers ("", or just Beast Wars II)
  • Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers (movie) (or just Beast Wars Special)
  • Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Neo (or just Beast Wars Neo)
  • Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Metals (or just Beast Wars Metals)
  • Car Robots
  • Micron Denetsu (or Micron Legend)
  • Superlink
  • RobotMasters (two dvds)
  • Galaxy Force
  • Beast Wars Returns
  • Transformers (film)
And as for you're wondering about the G2 manga, here's how the G1/Beast Era would go with the mangas in:
  • G1 seasons 1 & 2 and FSRLTF manga
  • Scramble City
  • G1 movie
  • G1 season 3 and the two 2010 mangas
  • The Headmasters & its manga (except for two chapters that contradict the show)
  • Chojin Masterforce (its manga contradicts the show)
  • Victory (its manga contradicts the show)
  • Zone, its manga, and its story-pages
  • Return of Convoy story pages & its manga "The Battlestars"
  • Operation Combination story-pages
  • G2 story-pages (its manga contradicts the story)
  • Beast Wars seasons 1, 2, & 3 (Metals' manga contradicts the show)
  • Beast Wars II (its manga contrdicts the show)
  • Beast Wars Special
  • Beast Wars Neo (its manga contradicts the show)
  • Beast Machines seasons 1 & 2
There are many other manga series that could be listed as well, but that would take forever to list out, and this is good enough
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Rodimus2006 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:33 pm

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Thanks for the info and clearing all that up for us.

Like I said they have been alot of Transformers here and over in Japan but mostly in Japan, mostly we just get the main-line of Transformers toons or the more popular ones.

The reason we got Animated 1st cause it is made here instead of Japan.


Now all we have to do is play the waiting game and tuff it out for the next-half year or so until Animated Season 3 is released.


Like I said it better live up to the hype, and give us the answers to all the questions we need answers to.

Like I said they are alot of unanswered stuff that need to be addressed in Animated S3. I mean I know that alot of them wont necessarily be answered.

But I hope the more important ones are Such as Sari Sumdac and what really happened to Optimus Prime in his Academy Years.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:54 pm

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Rodimus2006 wrote:The reason we got Animated 1st cause it is made here instead of Japan.


That depends on what you mean by "made here".

Just like the G1 cartoon, Animated is being written in the U.S. [or where ever the writters are from] but the cartoon is being animated in Japan.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:09 am

Sabrblade wrote:In Japan it went like this:
  • Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers)
  • Scramble City
  • Tatakae! Cho Robot Seimeitai Transformers 2010 (Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010, or just Transformers 2010)
  • The Headmasters
  • Chojin Master Force (Super-god Masterforce)
  • Victory
  • Zone
  • G1 movie (don't know what it's called in Japan, but it's not called "Matrix Forever")
  • Beast Wars Cho Seimeitai Transformers (Beast Wars Super Lifeform Transformers)
  • Beast Wars II Cho Seimeitai Transformers ("", or just Beast Wars II)
  • Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers (movie) (or just Beast Wars Special)
  • Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Neo (or just Beast Wars Neo)
  • Super Lifeform Transformers - Beast Wars Metals (or just Beast Wars Metals)
  • Car Robots
  • Micron Denetsu (or Micron Legend)
  • Superlink
  • RobotMasters (two dvds)
  • Galaxy Force
  • Beast Wars Returns
  • Transformers (film)


And if you're wondering what each of these was in the U.S. because some of these actully were in the U.S. just with different titles.

Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers = Generation 1 seasons 1 and 2

Transformers 2010 = I belive is season 3 of G1

The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.

G1 Movie = Holly crap Japan does things out of order. That must of been confusing as hell to have 5 series or 5 seasons or some mix there of with story that doesn't take place till AFTER the movie.

Beast Wars Super Lifeform Transformers = Season 1 of Beast Wars.

Beast Wars Metals = Seasons 2 and 3 of Beast Wars. Apperently Japan split our Beast Wars series into two seperate series or we fused theirs togeather. One of the two.

Car Robots = R.I.D.

Micron Legend = Armada

Superlink = Energon

Galaxy Force = Cybertron allthough in the U.S. even though the story completly contridicts both Armada and Energon they use it as part of the Trilliy. The main reason the story doesn't fit is because it wasn't supose to, Japan made it as a seperate series.

Allso apperently both Airazor from Beast Wars and Override from Cybertron were male in Japan. The Airazor one I'm not sure how true that is because I read it on Wiki and I can't imagine her as a male unless she was portrayed as a gay. Her attitude in the way she walks just screams female.

Beast Wars Returns = Beast Machines and again Japan does things out of order this time showing 4 series that have absolutly NOTHING to do with the Beast Erra shows.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:39 am

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Saber Prime wrote:
The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.

...

Galaxy Force = Cybertron allthough in the U.S. even though the story completly contridicts both Armada and Energon they use it as part of the Trilliy. The main reason the story doesn't fit is because it wasn't supose to, Japan made it as a seperate series.

Allso apperently both Airazor from Beast Wars and Override from Cybertron were male in Japan. The Airazor one I'm not sure how true that is because I read it on Wiki and I can't imagine her as a male unless she was portrayed as a gay. Her attitude in the way she walks just screams female.


We've been over this before. The Headmasters was made and aired before The Rebirth.

TF: Cybertron doesn't actually work well with Armada and Energon either. Sure they inserted stuff about Unicron, but things like Optimus clearly stating that he's never seen two Transformers combine together before makes Cybertron contradict Armada and Energon too. After all, Optimus in Armada and Energon has combined with Jetfire, Overload, Wing Saber, and Omega Supreme; not to mention that combining was one of the main focuses of Energon.

And as for Airazor and Override, Airazor was made male for some odd reason. About her (his) relationship with Tigatron, they changed Tigatron from down-to-earth to a samurai. So, they tried to make their relationship more like a master & apprentice one, but "Other Visits, Part 1" clearly still made them look gay.

Override (Nitro Convoy) was originally male in Galaxy Force. It was the U.S. dub that changed his (her) gender to female. And it surprisingly worked out. In the original, Nitro Convoy treated Lori with politeness, with Override and Lori had more a "big sisiter/little sister" relationship. so it works out perfect in both versions.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:37 am

How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?

I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.

Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:02 am

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Saber Prime wrote:How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?

I belive Strika was allso male in Japan and that one I can see working because the body type never looked female to begine with and really the only thing female about Strika in the U.S. was her voice. There was mention about her and Obsidian haveing a relationship but that was never shown, they were both verry into their jobs more than eachother.

Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

Anyone else?


Strika was still female in Beast Wars Returns, where she was known as "Stryka". In fact, they even redecoed her toy pink to make it more feminine.

Also, that orange Mini-Con from Armada that turned into a motor scooter that always hung out with Alexis was female in Micron Legend. It's name was "Arcee" there. It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor". Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Rodimus2006 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:24 pm

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Look like i said this is all cool info corcerning the past of the Transformers Mythology.

Look I am just excited that there is a upcoming season 3 of Transformers Animated.


Which is not just rumors and speculations or just educated guesses bye fans off of unofficial tf web pages.

It still sucks we have to wait almost another half-a-year away.

Like I said they are going to show Animated about the same time as ROTF comes out in June.

Thus make a killing of of Transformers

TF-Animated S3

TF-ROTF

TF-ROTF The Videogame mulitplatform

Maybe new upcoming DVD box sets of past TF cartoons such as RiD

TF-ROTF The Soundtrack

TF-ROTF The Ofiicial Score of the Movie

Also the Toylines of TF-ROTF The movie such as Deluxe and Voyager class types.

Also Comic Book and novels about the movie such as Starscream and the other one that is out bye the IDW Comics.


Look I knew that the upcoming movie would not be about the Fallen character from the IDW comics but about revenge of a fallen character from part 1.

Thus the returning Megatron. But what I am most curious about is who brings Megatron back to life, or is he already alive or maybe he consumed the All-Spark into himelf and it regenerated him over a bit of time.

From what I have been reading of the previous scripts from the movie is that they use the Spark of Scorpinok to revive Megatron and that Soundwave plays another huge part of reviving Megatron also.

Also I guess that means that Megatron will not be seen in the movie until the end of the movie again.


Thus Starscream will be in command and possible feuding against Soundwave cause he is loyal lieutenant of Megatron.

If the Fallen Character from the IDW comics is indeed in the movie like most people are claiming. He could have been already on Earth but is currently in hibernation or in stasis somewhere hidden on Earth.

Maybe the Egyptian Temples hold a secret or maybe the hold the Fallen himself is in prisoned in one of the temples.

Or maybe they need to use the Temples in order to revive Megatron.

Also it was stated somewhere that the Egyptian Temples have the same Cybertronian Language as seen on Megatron and Optimus Heads.

I guess no one will no the truth until the movie is out or some new trailers are shown.

Look here is my theory on when a trailer will be 1st seen.

The Teaser Trailer will be shown at the Academy Awards This is in Jan or Feb or 09 and could be similar to how they done the Mars Beagle Rover thing but not necessarily the same thing but somewhat similar.


The Main Trailer will be shown with Star Trek in April.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:33 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:The Headmasters = What is a verry different version of what the Rebirth started before it was canceled in the U.S.


Japans Headmasters has no connection to the U.S.'s Rebirth.

Takara did not like Hasbro's concept for the Headmasters toyline so they created their own serries that takes place after "the Return of Optimus Prime".

The Japanese Headmasters was created,produced and aired months before "the Rebirth".

So Japan's Headmasters came first.

Saber Prime wrote:How many characters have there been who change genders when they go over seas?


Good question

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Override I can allmost see working. She didn't have any overly female role in the show. The body type does look female though if you ignore the lack of a breast plate which Airazor didn't even really have either. (except in the Non-show TM form.)

Airrazor as a male, yeah the only way that could work is if you cut out every episode that features her. The toy doesn't really look anything like her obviously female animation model.

Anyone else?


The only one I can remember right now is G1 Starscream in France.He was voiced as a female in france and if I'm right was referred to as "SHE" and "HER" in stories.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:47 am

Sabrblade wrote:It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".


That character was only missnamed in one episode. The toy name as you called it was actully it's show name for most of the series. There was only 1 error where she was called Grindor and the skate board was never called Sureshock.

There were ALOT of errors where Optimus Prime kept calling his Mini-con Leader-1. There was only ONE time when Sparkplug was actully called by his correct name. I think Optimus even called other Mini-cons Sparkplug just never the one who the name actully belong to.

Alexis was the one who called Sparkplug by the correct name and she was allso the one who called Sureshock Grindor that one time.

Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.


I don't think Mini-con genders were EVER mentioned. I allways assume Suresure was female just because they paired her with Alexis and the American shows seem to turn characters like that female whenever they're paired with female humans.

One of the original Digimon trainers who's name I can't remember for the life of me right now, her Digimon partner had a female voice actress and was offten refered to as being female despite the fact her final form was obviously male. I don't think the US saw this form till after they made the character female and I'm actully surprised the show kept going after that.

I happen to catch a few episodes of a newer Digimon series with the same Digimon only they changed it's evolution so now it doesn't have the male looking evolution and they made it male this time around.

Either way it's wrong because the Rookie form is pink and looks like a girl then it changes into a character with a topless human male torso.

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Yes thoughs are the same character. Apperently Digimon can change gender when they digivolve. I think in another series they desided to exsplain in the US that Digimon have no gender just to cover this up.

BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:40 am

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Saber Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:It's English name is either Sureshock (like the toy) or Grindor (like the show). The Armada cartoon was always switching Sureshock and Grindor's names around. The scooter was called "Grindor" more often than "Sureshock", and the skateboard was called "Sureshock" more often than "Grindor", when their toys call the scooter "Sureshock" and the skateboard "Grindor".


That character was only missnamed in one episode. The toy name as you called it was actully it's show name for most of the series. There was only 1 error where she was called Grindor and the skate board was never called Sureshock.

There were ALOT of errors where Optimus Prime kept calling his Mini-con Leader-1. There was only ONE time when Sparkplug was actully called by his correct name. I think Optimus even called other Mini-cons Sparkplug just never the one who the name actully belong to.

Alexis was the one who called Sparkplug by the correct name and she was allso the one who called Sureshock Grindor that one time.

Anyway, the scooter Mini-Con was female in the Japanese version. Armada may have changed it to male, but I don't think it's gender was mentioned much.


I don't think Mini-con genders were EVER mentioned. I allways assume Suresure was female just because they paired her with Alexis and the American shows seem to turn characters like that female whenever they're paired with female humans.


I remember MANY times when Rad Carlos and Alexis yelled out these words:

Rad: "High Wire!" (refering to the bike)
Carlos: "Sureshock!" (refering to the skateboard)
Alexis: "Grindor!" (refering to the scooter)

I own all of Armada on DVD and watched it all a little while back. They yelled out those names just like that at least five times throughout the series.

Saber Prime wrote:One of the original Digimon trainers who's name I can't remember for the life of me right now, her Digimon partner had a female voice actress and was offten refered to as being female despite the fact her final form was obviously male. I don't think the US saw this form till after they made the character female and I'm actully surprised the show kept going after that.

I happen to catch a few episodes of a newer Digimon series with the same Digimon only they changed it's evolution so now it doesn't have the male looking evolution and they made it male this time around.

Either way it's wrong because the Rookie form is pink and looks like a girl then it changes into a character with a topless human male torso.

Here's some pictures for you.

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Yes thoughs are the same character. Apperently Digimon can change gender when they digivolve. I think in another series they desided to exsplain in the US that Digimon have no gender just to cover this up.

BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.


I you can get you're facts about Dighimon straight then don't bother bringing them up.

The DigiDestined you're thinking of is Sora. Her digimon is Biyomon. Her "final form", as you call it, is Garudamon. Garudamon was definately female in season 1. It is impossible for a digimon to change its gender, PERIOD.

It the latest series, Data Squad, there is another Biyomon who is male this time and its difference from the first one besides its gender and voice is that its Champion was changed from a Birdramon to an Aquilamon.

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Don't believe that one line from Renamon. It's blalantly obvious that digimon can be classified into genders. Just look at Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon, Sakuyamon, this other Sakuyamon, Rosemon, Lilthmon, Lotusmon, Kazemon, and many others. These are all obviously female digimon.

If you consider all those to be "its", then you really must be blind or something.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:58 am

Sabrblade wrote:I remember MANY times when Rad Carlos and Alexis yelled out these words:

Rad: "High Wire!" (refering to the bike)
Carlos: "Sureshock!" (refering to the skateboard)
Alexis: "Grindor!" (refering to the scooter)

I own all of Armada on DVD and watched it all a little while back. They yelled out those names just like that at least five times throughout the series.


Belive me, I hated Armada, I know how offten they screwed up names and the children didn't screw up that offten. In fact the majoirty of the time they were the only ones who got the Mini-cons names right throughout the series. As I pointed out earlier Alexis was the only character to call Prime's Mini-con by his correct name, Sparkplug.

Sureshock has been missnamed at least twice, once as Grindor and another time as Sparkplug. Optimus has only said the name Sparkplug once that I can remember and he was talking to Sureshock when he said it. His own mini-con was constantly refered to as Leader-1.

Just to add to the Mini-con confusion, Jetstorm and Runway were switching names in the show and on toy packaging.

Maybe I missed some episodes of Armada that I couldn't find on YouTube where the names were revered more by the kids but I'm allmost sertain the kids had the largest track record for getting names right.

I you can get you're facts about Dighimon straight then don't bother bringing them up.


As I said, speculation, never claimed they were facts. Go back, read it again, and check out the last paragraph.

Saber Prime wrote:BTW everything I just said, I realize I stated it as fact but it's actully my own speculation. I really don't know if they were trying to cover anything up I'm just assumeing that's what happen because I can't imagine parrents would be too happy about seeing a sex change in a kids cartoon on screen.


The DigiDestined you're thinking of is Sora. Her digimon is Biyomon. Her "final form", as you call it, is Garudamon. Garudamon was definately female in season 1. It is impossible for a digimon to change its gender, PERIOD.


Biyomon was female. Garudamon was obviously male. They can't let a female go around topless like that in the states.

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Don't believe that one line from Renamon. It's blalantly obvious that digimon can be classified into genders. Just look at Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon, Sakuyamon, this other Sakuyamon, Rosemon, Lilthmon, Lotusmon, Kazemon, and many others. These are all obviously female digimon.

If you consider all those to be "its", then you really must be blind or something.


Now who doesn't have their "facts" straight. You're just going to blantantly ignore cannon and say Digimon do have genders when according to the cartoon they don't.

Not really a matter of what they look like it's more a matter of what's cannon and according to the cannon at least for the US Digimon are genderless.

Now I'd agree with your opinion that all thoughs are obviously female but then again Garudamon has an obviously male chest despite it's evolution from a small pink bird with a female voice. So as you said yourself, if you can classify Garudamon as being female, you must be blind.

Either Digimon are genderless or they can change genders as they digivolve. One of the two. How else can you exsplain the female Biyomon to the Male Garudamon?

BTW Kazemon is not even a Digimon. She is a human girl named Zoe in Digimon form. The Digidestin of that series didn't have Digimon partners. Insted they became Digimon themselfs.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:45 am

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they had genders in the cartoon they addressed each other as he and she. Well at least in the German dub.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:07 pm

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Oh for crying out loud. Garudamon is a Beast digimon, not a Human digimon. It doesn't have to look female to be a female. Why there's even a male Sakuyamon in Digimon World Data Squad and it looks the same as the female one.

And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind. Look at the four evil hybrids aside from Duskmon. They were formed by the merge of ther spirits and some random Digi-Eggs. The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.

And it's well known that the show has made several errors in each series. They've always referred to digimon he/his/him and she/hers/her.

Let's look at it this way:

The Digipedia's Digimon FAQ wrote:In episode 3.49, "D-Reaper's Feast," Renamon notes that "Digimon aren't divided into genders" - the line in the original version directly translates as: "By nature, distinctions of gender do not exist among digimon." Also, in describing Renamon, Tamers writer Chiaki Konaka states that "officially, Digimon do not have gender." But he himself notes that "If anything, gender seems fairly easy to identify in digimon," and says that Sakuyamon was clearly feminine.

To clarify some word misuse - Digimon ARE classified into gender, because gender is a cultural classification, where one is considered "he" or "she." Digimon quite blatantly and undeniably have that. It is being professed here that Digimon do not have SEXES, the physical classification of being male and female - which holds true for MOST Digimon, but characters such as Angewomon, LadyDevimon, Lillymon and, as Konaka notes, Sakuyamon, are quite blatantly female. So, the fact of the matter is that even the officials do not adhere to the official statement on the matter.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:48 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.


If you have seen the finale to Frontier, then you may remeber that the spiirts came to life at the end of the series. Though they were transparent, they were still alive at that time.

Besides, Hybrid digimon have appeared in other media outside of Frontier as regular digimon that weren't made from a spirit. Look at Digimon World 3, for example. Agunimon and KendoGarurumon appear in that game as a result of a DNA Digivolution between two regular digimon.

Gallantmon has also appeared in Frontier, X-Evolution, and Savers/Data Squad as a natural Mega, show no signs of a Biomerge between a human and a digimon. (That brief scene in Frontier of him did use his Tamers "dual voice" in the dub, but that still doesn't mean he was biomerged digimon. Omnimon, for example, has a dual voice, yet he's not biomerged either).
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:01 am

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Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.


If you have seen the finale to Frontier, then you may remeber that the spiirts came to life at the end of the series. Though they were transparent, they were still alive at that time.

Besides, Hybrid digimon have appeared in other media outside of Frontier as regular digimon that weren't made from a spirit. Look at Digimon World 3, for example. Agunimon and KendoGarurumon appear in that game as a result of a DNA Digivolution between two regular digimon.

Gallantmon has also appeared in Frontier, X-Evolution, and Savers/Data Squad as a natural Mega, show no signs of a Biomerge between a human and a digimon. (That brief scene in Frontier of him did use his Tamers "dual voice" in the dub, but that still doesn't mean he was biomerged digimon. Omnimon, for example, has a dual voice, yet he's not biomerged either).


Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.
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Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.


Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.

Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.

Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. :sad: Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.

I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:52 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.


Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.

Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.

Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. :sad: Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.

I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.


According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.

It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.

I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.

He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.

You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.
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