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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:53 pm

Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:48 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.


If you have seen the finale to Frontier, then you may remeber that the spiirts came to life at the end of the series. Though they were transparent, they were still alive at that time.

Besides, Hybrid digimon have appeared in other media outside of Frontier as regular digimon that weren't made from a spirit. Look at Digimon World 3, for example. Agunimon and KendoGarurumon appear in that game as a result of a DNA Digivolution between two regular digimon.

Gallantmon has also appeared in Frontier, X-Evolution, and Savers/Data Squad as a natural Mega, show no signs of a Biomerge between a human and a digimon. (That brief scene in Frontier of him did use his Tamers "dual voice" in the dub, but that still doesn't mean he was biomerged digimon. Omnimon, for example, has a dual voice, yet he's not biomerged either).
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:01 am

Sabrblade wrote:
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Sabrblade wrote:And what makes Kazemon not a real digimon? It doesn't matter if she was made by the merge of Zoe and the Human Spirit of Wind.


No you got that a little wrong.

The same could be done to make Kazemon. Merging the spirit with a digi-egg, I mean.


You're right the same COULD be done but that is what does not matter.

The Spirit of Wind can be merged with anything to create Kazemon thearetically so it could be said that the Spirit itself IS Kazemon. The spirit of Wind however is no more a Digimon than a Digivice is. It's just a tool used to digivolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own.

The evil Digimon Hybrids were actully formed from spirits and Digimon. It's that Digimon part of them that makes them Digimon not the spirit. If that makes any sence.

With the Digidestin they are humans who can use Spirits to take on Digimon form but does that really make them Digimon? Are they any different as Digimon then they are as humans? Do the spirit digimon have seperite minds of their own or are they entirely just there in form but with human mind? That's why Kazemon is not a real Digimon, the digimon form of Kazemon has no independant mind, it's just Zoe in Digimon form.

Now if you look at say Gallentmon who is a bio eveolution of both human and digimon that's a different story. Gallentmon actully has two individual personalitys one human and the other Digimon.

So it doesn't matter that Kazemon could be formed by a merge with a Digimon. What does matter is that Kazemon ISN'T formed by a Digimon of any kind. She's a human in Digimon form.

Basically a simple way of putting it is that Kazemon is a Digimon in body but not in mind.

Gallentmon is a digimon in body and in mind but is only human in mind.

Gallentmon has two minds, Kazemon only has one.


If you have seen the finale to Frontier, then you may remeber that the spiirts came to life at the end of the series. Though they were transparent, they were still alive at that time.

Besides, Hybrid digimon have appeared in other media outside of Frontier as regular digimon that weren't made from a spirit. Look at Digimon World 3, for example. Agunimon and KendoGarurumon appear in that game as a result of a DNA Digivolution between two regular digimon.

Gallantmon has also appeared in Frontier, X-Evolution, and Savers/Data Squad as a natural Mega, show no signs of a Biomerge between a human and a digimon. (That brief scene in Frontier of him did use his Tamers "dual voice" in the dub, but that still doesn't mean he was biomerged digimon. Omnimon, for example, has a dual voice, yet he's not biomerged either).


Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:45 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.


Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.

Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.

Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. :sad: Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.

I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:52 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.


Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.

Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.

Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. :sad: Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.

I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.


According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.

It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.

I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.

He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.

You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:04 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Omnimon was a DNA of two Digimon not a Biomerge.

DNA Digivolve is two Digimon becoming one.

Biomerge is Digimon and human becomeing one digimon.

Spirit was just a human or a Digimon becoming a Digimon.

I actully haven't seen that much of Digimon passed the first two series. The others kind of create entirely different storys that go agenst how the original ended. I catch little segments here and there but I've never watched one all the way through.

The new one I noticed even broke the tridition of making the lead character wear goggles. They're reuseing old digimon with new evolutions. And this kid's even more of a hot head than any of the past digidestin combined. He ACTULLY thinks he can solve every single freaking problem with his fist. I can't belive how increadibly stupid that kid is. The others know to let the Digimon do the fighting. I've seen this kid run up and punch mega levels exspecting it to hurt them. I so want to see him get crushed.

It's like watching a human on Transformers run up and punch Megatron, it's just stupid.

Can we get the message to animators to stop makeing humans so incredibly stupid that they run twards giant creatures that could kill them just by blinking. You're supose to run AWAY from giant deadly monsters unless you have super powers or some kind of weapon, NOT YOUR FIST.


Don't go bashing Marcus when you don't really know anything about him. He has to punch out the digimon he's fighting, otherwise Agumon couldn't digivolve.

Let me sum up all that I want to say by this: don't something judge if you don't know anything about it. Watch it before you criticize it. It just so happens the final episode of its dub just aired a little while back, so every episode is available to watch online.

Also, earlier I was going to say that we should take this discussion to the Digimon thread here, but it seems to has been lost in the flood. :sad: Perhaps one of us should make a new one so we continue this. Cuz I for one am enjoying this "intelligent debate", as I call it.

I'll probably make it tonight and let you know, so keep an eye out on this thread.


According to the dialog on the show Digimon's divolution is controlled by EMOTION not his fist. Several characters on the show have been trying to teach him NOT to use his fist but he doesn't listen. So no he does NOT need to punch digimon to get Augumon to Digivolve, Augumon's digivolve is triggered by Marcus' emotions not his punching other digimon like a freaking idiot.

It's verry clear Marcus doesn't punch Digimon to trigger the Evolution for Augumon, he actully thinks he can hurt them by punching them. He allways acts really surprised when his punch has absolutly no effect on them and as far as he knows getting Augumon to Digivolve is just some weird side effect. He doesn't know how it's really triggered even though everyone does and has told him several times how it works.

I've seen like 3 episodes of Digimon Data Squad and from the 3 episodes, Poncholeomon who is apperently Marcus' father has told him that emotion triggers the Digimon's evolution. The guy who runs DATS told him about the emotion thing. Hell even some random old man who doesn't even have a digimon knows how it works. Marcus seems to be the only character on the show who has no idea how to controll his digimon's evolution and he's definatly the only character who trys to fight digimon himself. He's the only character EVER who trys to fight digimon by himself.

He actully thinks he doesn't need Augumon, he can just fight on his own.

You seem to like to ignore alot of dialog don't you? I know more about Marcus after just 3 episodes than you seem to. He is just a hot headed idiot who doesn't listen and everyone else on the show know how to control Digimon evolution, for Marcus, he can't control it because he can't control his emotions and thinks every problem is solved by his fist.


I made the thread. Let's take this discussion there.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:10 pm

Does anyone else think that with the returning voice actor from past series and the many guest appearances in Animated that they should give guest roles to the past Optimus Primes and Megatrons?

Obviously not AS Optimus and Megatron, but maybe in other roles that are related to the current characters. I was even thinking of Frank Welker appearing as Megatron's father.

David Kaye would be left out of the line up as he's in every episode anyway as Optimus Prime, Grimlock, and Lugnut.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:46 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:Does anyone else think that with the returning voice actor from past series and the many guest appearances in Animated that they should give guest roles to the past Optimus Primes and Megatrons?

Obviously not AS Optimus and Megatron, but maybe in other roles that are related to the current characters. I was even thinking of Frank Welker appearing as Megatron's father.

David Kaye would be left out of the line up as he's in every episode anyway as Optimus Prime, Grimlock, and Lugnut.


I could see Gary Chalk voicing Rodimus Prime.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby ebilly99 » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:46 pm

SPOILER SARI SUMDAC
After racking my brian I fugiered out part of the what is sari question, Remeber the first eppisode that while Dr sumdac is giving a tour he mentions the microbots, it seems like a mighty coincedence that the first scene featuring sari also explains the microbots. Also the microbots have already played a bit role (Giant Roaches, and the trash devoures from garbage in garbage out)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:07 am

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ebilly99 wrote:SPOILER SARI SUMDAC
After racking my brian I fugiered out part of the what is sari question, Remeber the first eppisode that while Dr sumdac is giving a tour he mentions the microbots, it seems like a mighty coincedence that the first scene featuring sari also explains the microbots. Also the microbots have already played a bit role (Giant Roaches, and the trash devoures from garbage in garbage out)


Um, I'm sorry, but what?

What evidence is there that she's a nanobot?

It would seem obvious that she like some kind of android, given the evidence that she deteriorates by anti-organic radiation in "Along Came a Spider", catches a cold in "Nature Calls", sets off the Elite Guard ship's organic contamination alert in "The Elite Guard", and is unaffected by the electronic shutdown weapon in "SUV". Yet she has some robotic circuitry exposed in her arm in "A Bridge too Close, Part II".
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby ebilly99 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:10 am

Becuse of what Isac Sumdac himself said about the microbots. They are the first step of fussing the robotic and the organic. Therfore the best of both worlds. The question still in the air is, is she a human with microbots, or a robot with mmicrobots?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:19 am

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ebilly99 wrote:Becuse of what Isac Sumdac himself said about the microbots. They are the first step of fussing the robotic and the organic. Therfore the best of both worlds. The question still in the air is, is she a human with microbots, or a robot with mmicrobots?


Yeah, but he just made them. They were still being in the testing stage. Sari's been around longer.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby ebilly99 » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:35 am

But we have no idea how old she really is do we? we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog, but I am really starting to think that. I also remeber tara(The voice of Sari) say that the secret behind sari is going to be on of those oh yeah moments.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:02 am

ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.


What does her dog have anything to do with proveing how old she is?

If you're refering to the Birthday episode she had the dog long before that. She was seen chaseing it in the verry first scene she appeared.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:05 am

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ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.


What does her dog have anything to do with proveing how old she is?

If you're refering to the Birthday episode she had the dog long before that. She was seen chaseing it in the verry first scene she appeared.


She got her dog on her previous birthday. The one from the year before the year she got Soundwave.

And where've you been Saber Prime? I've waiting for your response on the other thread.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:37 pm

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ebilly99 wrote:we can only prove she is at least one year old becuse of her dog.


What does her dog have anything to do with proveing how old she is?

If you're refering to the Birthday episode she had the dog long before that. She was seen chaseing it in the verry first scene she appeared.


She got her dog on her previous birthday. The one from the year before the year she got Soundwave.

And where've you been Saber Prime? I've waiting for your response on the other thread.


That would make her at least 2 years old, the other guy said one year which would mean she got Soudwave and Sparkplug at the same time.

Besides it still doesn't have anything to do with proving how old she is. There's no way of telling how many birthdays she's had that weren't mentioned and you'd think she'd realize something wasn't right when she had no memories from previous years as she looks to be around 8 - 12.

Allso there's still no evidence to suport that she's even a robot. There is evidence showing she has at least one mechanical arm and evidence to suport she's partly organic. So no she is not a robot, she is either a cyborg or a technorganic and she is much older than two.

oh and to answer the other question, I've been buisy with other things.
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Postby Sabrblade » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:39 pm

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I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.

We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:32 am

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Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.

We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.


Your a bit mixed up.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine that can have any shape or appearance.Examples are manufacture line robots.

An Android [like a robot] is a fully inorganic machine designed with components that mimic organics and are designed to look and act like a regular human.Examples are Data from Star trek TNG

A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.

A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:34 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.

We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.


Your a bit mixed up.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine that can have any shape or appearance.Examples are manufacture line robots.

An Android [like a robot] is a fully inorganic machine designed with components that mimic organics and are designed to look and act like a regular human.Examples are Data from Star trek TNG

A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.

A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.


But didn't TT's Cyborg and the Terminators start out as humans?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:38 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:I never said she was a robot, I said she was an android. There is a difference.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine. An android is like a robot, but it's one that has been given organic components and designed to look/feel/act like a regular human in almost every way possible.

We really can't she's a cyborg, though. A cyborg is a human that has been given robotic parts. Since there has been no birth certificate or any evidence that she was born human, we have no way of saying that she was.


Your a bit mixed up.

A robot is a fully inorganic machine that can have any shape or appearance.Examples are manufacture line robots.

An Android [like a robot] is a fully inorganic machine designed with components that mimic organics and are designed to look and act like a regular human.Examples are Data from Star trek TNG

A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.

A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.


But didn't TT's Cyborg and the Terminators start out as humans?


TT's did start out as a human but the Terminators organic components are grown in labs.

To put it as plainly as possible a "Cyborg" is a being composed of both organic and robotic parts.

It doesnt mater how they started out life.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:44 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:A Cyborg is a being that is composed of both robotic's and organic parts.Examples can be Cyborg from the Teen Titans or the Terminators T100 serries.

A Cyborg does not have to have started out life as a human.


You're a bit mixed up. The terminators are NOT cyborgs.

A cyborg is an organic with cybernetic parts but they do start out organic.

A robot with organic parts which is what the Terminators were is different from a cyborg. I'm not sure they were ever really given a name outside of transformers but they are Technorganics.

Sabrblade wrote:But didn't TT's Cyborg and the Terminators start out as humans?


No they started out as robots. You missed the entire plot of the movies if you thought they were humans.

Judgment Day, not the title of the second movie but the actual day they talk about in the movies, is the day when all the machines orginally designed to serve man kind turned on us and started a war. That future war John Conner is the leader of is a war of humans agenst machines.

The machines that travel into the past only have the human appearance because the time bubble that they use to get to the past destroys any inorganic material it comes into contact with. (this is allso why they appear in the past naked) as an added bonus, the skin allso acts as a disguise for a while.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:11 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:You're a bit mixed up.


No I'm not.

Saber Prime wrote: The terminators are NOT cyborgs.


Yes they are.
http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/t800techdata.html
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/t/t800.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(character)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator


Saber Prime wrote:A cyborg is an organic with cybernetic parts but they do start out organic.


Incorrect.

A cyborg is a "cybernetic organism" while the most common type in fiction is one that started out as a human the term does apply to any being that is in part both part organic and part robotic.

I hate useing wiki as a source but here read the entree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg


Saber Prime wrote:A robot with organic parts which is what the Terminators were is different from a cyborg.


No its not.

The films script as well as every novel or comic book on the series has used the term "Cyborg" for the Ternminators.

In short a Cyborg is a "cybernetic organism" and thats what a Terminator is.

Here's an other wiki entree about Cyborgs in fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborgs_in_fiction

If you follow it even the movie "The Bicentennial Man" is listed as it is a story about a robot who modifys himself with organic components making him a "Cyborg".

Saber Prime wrote: I'm not sure they were ever really given a name outside of transformers but they are Technorganics.


Thats an other fitting term that is no more or less valid then the term "Cyborg".

The main difference is that the term Cyborg only applies to "cybernetic organism" that appear to look human while a Techno-organic can resemble any form of organic life.

Marvel comics has an other type of "Techno-organic" life but I wont site it since it will only serve to confuse the matter.

Saber Prime wrote:No they started out as robots. You missed the entire plot of the movies if you thought they were humans.

Judgment Day, not the title of the second movie but the actual day they talk about in the movies, is the day when all the machines orginally designed to serve man kind turned on us and started a war. That future war John Conner is the leader of is a war of humans agenst machines.

The machines that travel into the past only have the human appearance because the time bubble that they use to get to the past destroys any inorganic material it comes into contact with. (this is allso why they appear in the past naked) as an added bonus, the skin allso acts as a disguise for a while.


The Terminators were designed with originally organics so that they can better infultrate the human resistance groups.

And the T-800 are classified as "Cyborg's".Its in the first movie and the script.

About the only logical reason for saying that the Terminators T-800 serries are not really Cyborgs is because they are not dependent on their organics to live.

But I would say that useing that excuse is narrow minded.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:22 pm

You know for a guy who never contridicts himself you sure like to do it alot and ironically that is allso a contridiction. Anyway, these two quotes here don't match.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:the term does apply to any being that is in part both part organic and part robotic.


The main difference is that the term Cyborg only applies to "cybernetic organism" that appear to look human while a Techno-organic can resemble any form of organic life.


In the first quote you said ANY being that is part organic and part cybernetic is a cyborg. In the second quote you said they'd be a technorganic as appearantly only technorganics can take on any form.

Cyborgs as you put it in the second quote have to be humanoid but you didn't specify that in the first quote.

So are you sure you know what your talking about because it kinda sounds like your questioning these definitions yourself.

More to the point, I don't recall the term "Cyborg" EVER being used in a terminator movie. They only refer to them as "the machines" or robots. Most offten it's "the machines". Technically speaking the T800, Arnold, was not even a blend of robotic and organic material. He was a full robot with an organic covering. Whenever they showed thoughs robots in the future scenes they didn't have the skin and were just the mechanical componants.

Data did have Organic componants intigrated into his circuitry at one point, implanted by the Borg in one of the movies. It actully surved as part of his body at that point where as the skin on the T800 only served as a covering, there's no evidence to suport it was part of their systems. They felt nothing if the skin was damaged where as Data could feel his skin.

The problem here is really trying to apply terms to all sci-fi that are used differently in every fiction. Kinda like an earlier argument we had on weather or not Mutant and Natural were the same thing. Because you were useing Marvel comics definition of Mutant and I was useing City of Heroes/Villains definition.

Allthough the definitions aren't much different.

Mutant is the next stage in evolution for Mervel, a suposidly natural evolution. But that begs the question, why doesn't everyone evolve the same way?

Natural humans, is just what we are in real life, every perfectly healthy human being is capable of the same things. And notice I said perfectly healthy because I realize some people have dissabilitys that could limit their abilitys. Some people however learn to cominsate for say the lack of haveing arms and again, we could all learn to do the same.

In the fictional universe not all mutants can learn to controll the weather or shoot lasers out of their eyes. So if this is a natural evolution why don't they have the potential to develop the same powers for every mutant?

Normal humans have the same potential so why don't any mutants have the same potential?

That's preddy much the difference between Mutant and Natural right there. Natural, the majority of your race has the same potential you do the only difference in your natural abilitys depends on training, education. Mutant, theres a high possibility you could be the only mutant with the same powers and/or physical mutation you have.

The next origin down the line is Science which is a form of being a mutant only in this case you weren't born mutant. There was an episode of Spider-man with an X-Men crossover that covered this. Spider-man was refered to as a mutant however because he wasn't born that way Wolverine complained about letting him in the school.

Technoligy are Science origins get mixed up alot as well but the difference is Science changes your own DNA giveing you powers. Technoligy would just mean you had no real powers but are useing armor and/or weapons rather than training yourself. In short Technoligy is another form of natural only the natural person isn't useing his or her own abilitys.

The X-Men are all examples of mutants.

Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk are examples of Science.

Ironman is an example of Technoligy.

Batman, Superman, and the Punisher are examples of natural origins.

Blade would probly be classified as Magic because vampires are mythical creatures. Magic is just a catigory all it's own that can't be exsplained by any of the other 4.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:01 pm

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Saber Prime wrote:You know for a guy who never contridicts himself you sure like to do it alot and ironically that is allso a contridiction. Anyway, these two quotes here don't match.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:the term does apply to any being that is in part both part organic and part robotic.


The main difference is that the term Cyborg only applies to "cybernetic organism" that appear to look human while a Techno-organic can resemble any form of organic life.


In the first quote you said ANY being that is part organic and part cybernetic is a cyborg. In the second quote you said they'd be a technorganic as appearantly only technorganics can take on any form.

Cyborgs as you put it in the second quote have to be humanoid but you didn't specify that in the first quote.


I should have been more specific but neither statement really contradicts the other.

When you think about it the true definition of the word "Cyborg" is "Cybernetic organism" so in truth the only true critria is that its part robotic and part organic no matter the appearance.

But in most fictions a "Cyborg" must appear to look human.

Saber Prime wrote:
So are you sure you know what your talking about because it kinda sounds like your questioning these definitions yourself.

More to the point, I don't recall the term "Cyborg" EVER being used in a terminator movie. They only refer to them as "the machines" or robots. Most offten it's "the machines". Technically speaking the T800, Arnold, was not even a blend of robotic and organic material. He was a full robot with an organic covering. Whenever they showed thoughs robots in the future scenes they didn't have the skin and were just the mechanical componants.


The term Cyborg was used in at least 1 of the movies not to mention the current tv serries.

And like I said before about the only logical reason for saying that they arent Cyborgs is that they arent dependent on their organics to live.

But I find that a very narrow minded view on the term.

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Data did have Organic componants intigrated into his circuitry at one point, implanted by the Borg in one of the movies. It actully surved as part of his body at that point where as the skin on the T800 only served as a covering, there's no evidence to suport it was part of their systems. They felt nothing if the skin was damaged where as Data could feel his skin.


And for those few minutes Data was considered a cyborg.I dont see being part of their systems or not as being a defining factor on wether they are cyborgs.

If they have growing,living organic components then they are cyborgs.

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The problem here is really trying to apply terms to all sci-fi that are used differently in every fiction. Kinda like an earlier argument we had on weather or not Mutant and Natural were the same thing. Because you were useing Marvel comics definition of Mutant and I was useing City of Heroes/Villains definition.

Allthough the definitions aren't much different.

Mutant is the next stage in evolution for Mervel, a suposidly natural evolution. But that begs the question, why doesn't everyone evolve the same way?


Because the Mutant Gene is like a non-differential stem cell.

The gene develops differently with each individual just like stem cells develop into the different organs needed.

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Natural humans, is just what we are in real life, every perfectly healthy human being is capable of the same things. And notice I said perfectly healthy because I realize some people have dissabilitys that could limit their abilitys. Some people however learn to cominsate for say the lack of haveing arms and again, we could all learn to do the same.

In the fictional universe not all mutants can learn to controll the weather or shoot lasers out of their eyes. So if this is a natural evolution why don't they have the potential to develop the same powers for every mutant?

Normal humans have the same potential so why don't any mutants have the same potential?


Again its like injecting non differential stem cells into a damaged organ.

If you were to take these stem cells and inject them into a damaged pancreas those stem cells would develop into a pancreas.

The mutant gene is a non differential gene.It develops differently in each person.

Saber Prime wrote:The X-Men are all examples of mutants.


Correct.And in the Marvel U Mutans have been evolving naturally.

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Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk are examples of Science.


Science that "MUTATED" their genes.

Saber Prime wrote:Ironman is an example of Technoligy.

Batman, Superman, and the Punisher are examples of natural origins.

Blade would probly be classified as Magic because vampires are mythical creatures. Magic is just a catigory all it's own that can't be exsplained by any of the other 4.


There are two types of Vampire in the Marvel U.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Animated Discussion Thread!

Postby Saber Prime » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:39 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The term Cyborg was used in at least 1 of the movies not to mention the current tv serries.


I haven't actully seen the tv series yet. I want to check it out but I'm never home when it's on. That's something I could add to my DVR list. :)

Saber Prime wrote:Data did have Organic componants intigrated into his circuitry at one point, implanted by the Borg in one of the movies. It actully surved as part of his body at that point where as the skin on the T800 only served as a covering, there's no evidence to suport it was part of their systems. They felt nothing if the skin was damaged where as Data could feel his skin.


And for those few minutes Data was considered a cyborg.I dont see being part of their systems or not as being a defining factor on wether they are cyborgs.

If they have growing,living organic components then they are cyborgs.


Look at it this way. If a robot with an organic skin is a cyborg then Ironmonger would allso be a cyborg. I'm not going to dispute Ironman because his chest piece actully could consider him a cyborg but no part of Ironmonger is actully mechanical, it's just a covering.

So that being said, do you consider Ironmonger to be a cyborg and if not, why?

Saber Prime wrote:Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk are examples of Science.


Science that "MUTATED" their genes.


Yes but did you read where I talked about the different mutants. Like Spider-man being a mutant and Wolverine not likeing him because he's not a BORN mutant.

Saber Prime wrote:Ironman is an example of Technoligy.

Batman, Superman, and the Punisher are examples of natural origins.

Blade would probly be classified as Magic because vampires are mythical creatures. Magic is just a catigory all it's own that can't be exsplained by any of the other 4.


There are two types of Vampire in the Marvel U.


I can't remember the characters name or I'd actully try to look him up but I know who you're talking about. He was in the cartoon series as well. A Science origin vampire who started out as a villain on the series and later on ended up working with Blade. He was physically mutated unlike a real vampire and had these 5 holes in his hands that he could use to draw blood rather than biteing like a real vampire. Other than the blood thing he actully was nothing like a vampire but they still called him one.

If this isn't what you were talking about, could you clarify?
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