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[Shadowman]

How do we know the ship is Trypticon?

We don't. In WFC, trypticon died and transformed into a decepticon warship, which the wiki lists as the Nemesis. It's not a bad theory that the thing is actually trypticon, but there is no indication that it actually is.

Wrong on every account. In Exiles, actually, Trypticon takes on the form of the Nemesis to pursue the Autobots through the Space Bridge with the other Decepticons, but it sort of "kills" him, and afterwords he just becomes a regular spaceship. It's not a theory, it's stated fact.

I think the "theory" Hypershock is referring to is that Trypticon is Megatron's ship in Prime. Unless I missed something, that has not been stated.

Trypticon transformed into the Nemesis in Exiles, then lost his sentience after a Space Bridge mishap. The Decepticons are still using the Nemesis, which was recently revealed to be sentient. If it is a theory, it's a theory with tons of evidence stacked in it's favor.

"Oh, but Megatron acted surprised when it woke up!" And Starscream acted surprised when he first saw Dark Energon, despite the fact that when we first meet him in WfC, he'd been working with the stuff.

If anything, it's only a theory that they switched out ships at some point. Or more specifically, they switched out one ship with the capacity for sentience with another ship with the capacity for sentience. And gave them both the same name.

"Oh, but they never said his name!" They never named any of Original 13, except for Solus and the Fallen, and they still showed them. It doesn't mean the Original 13 are an entirely different line-up, it just means they never said their names.

All this "proof" that it isn't really Trypticon isn't very convincing. Especially in the face of precedence.

[F Prime]

How do we know the ship is Trypticon?

We don't. In WFC, trypticon died and transformed into a decepticon warship, which the wiki lists as the Nemesis. It's not a bad theory that the thing is actually trypticon, but there is no indication that it actually is.

Wrong on every account. In Exiles, actually, Trypticon takes on the form of the Nemesis to pursue the Autobots through the Space Bridge with the other Decepticons, but it sort of "kills" him, and afterwords he just becomes a regular spaceship. It's not a theory, it's stated fact.

I think the "theory" Hypershock is referring to is that Trypticon is Megatron's ship in Prime. Unless I missed something, that has not been stated.

Trypticon transformed into the Nemesis in Exiles, then lost his sentience after a Space Bridge mishap. The Decepticons are still using the Nemesis, which was recently revealed to be sentient. If it is a theory, it's a theory with tons of evidence stacked in it's favor.

*I deleted the long list of potential "problems" with this theory because I never put any of them forward; I assume they were meant for others or as general complaints.

I had forgotten two main facts: 1) That they named the ship as Nemesis in Exiles. I mistakenly remembered him being a Nemesis *class* ship rather than a ship titled Nemesis. 2) That they had stated the ship name on Prime was Nemesis.

Rookie mistakes.

[Hypershock]

How do we know the ship is Trypticon?

We don't. In WFC, trypticon died and transformed into a decepticon warship, which the wiki lists as the Nemesis. It's not a bad theory that the thing is actually trypticon, but there is no indication that it actually is.

Wrong on every account. In Exiles, actually, Trypticon takes on the form of the Nemesis to pursue the Autobots through the Space Bridge with the other Decepticons, but it sort of "kills" him, and afterwords he just becomes a regular spaceship. It's not a theory, it's stated fact.

I think the "theory" Hypershock is referring to is that Trypticon is Megatron's ship in Prime. Unless I missed something, that has not been stated.

Trypticon transformed into the Nemesis in Exiles, then lost his sentience after a Space Bridge mishap. The Decepticons are still using the Nemesis, which was recently revealed to be sentient. If it is a theory, it's a theory with tons of evidence stacked in it's favor.

"Oh, but Megatron acted surprised when it woke up!" And Starscream acted surprised when he first saw Dark Energon, despite the fact that when we first meet him in WfC, he'd been working with the stuff.

If anything, it's only a theory that they switched out ships at some point. Or more specifically, they switched out one ship with the capacity for sentience with another ship with the capacity for sentience. And gave them both the same name.

"Oh, but they never said his name!" They never named any of Original 13, except for Solus and the Fallen, and they still showed them. It doesn't mean the Original 13 are an entirely different line-up, it just means they never said their names.

All this "proof" that it isn't really Trypticon isn't very convincing. Especially in the face of precedence.

I dont really think starscream was directly working with it, just in charge, because theres more than a few inconsistencies when it comes to his scientific background. I think he was surprised not because it exists, but because Megatron found it randomly in the middle of space and that there was more than his original sample on Cybertron. If his ship had been dead for millenia, he would not have expected it to become sentient once again. He also would have gotten used to calling it the nemesis and not Trypticon. im not trying to prove that it isnt trypticon, im trying to say that to expect it to actually be Trypticon was kind of stretching it. the designers didnt seem to be going for "Oh I'm awake again, now I'm in charge" because in War for Cybertron and Exiles Trypticon was totally loyal to Megatron. His sentient capabilities as Trypticon were lost. Also, it was called a Nemesis-c;ass ship that came to be called the Nemesis The wfc trypticon was loyal but subservient; this ship didnt strike me as Trypticon. Im not going to say that it never was Trypticon, because this is the Aligned continuity and it's entirely possible that at some point it was. But in this episode, the mind that was brought to life was not Trypticon

ps: the thirteen are a whole different can of worms, we've gotten the impression that the 13 are the same in every continuity, so that's not really a fair comparison

pps: (check this shizz out ) remember when Dark Energon brought back cliffjumper? he was a mindless husk with only a mind to kill things. Now, the ship is different because it has vast databanks and computer capacity etc etc, but its the same basic concept: It very well could have been Trypticon in the past, but that mind wasnt Trypticon because the Dark energon doesnt fully restore one's mind. BOOM *drops drumsticks*

[Shadowman]

If his ship had been dead for millenia, he would not have expected it to become sentient once again.

Exactly! That's why he was surprised! Not that his ship was suddenly alive, but because his ship was suddenly alive after apparently dying.

im not trying to prove that it isnt trypticon, im trying to say that to expect it to actually be Trypticon was kind of stretching it.

You know what else is stretching it? Pretending this is a new ship when all possible evidence points to the contrary. You're going along with the New Ship Theory. I'm following the Trypticon Facts.

the designers didnt seem to be going for "Oh I'm awake again, now I'm in charge" because in War for Cybertron and Exiles Trypticon was totally loyal to Megatron. His sentient capabilities as Trypticon were lost.

It's called Dark Energon. It brings back the dead and often makes them go insane. Particularly strong individuals can make it work for them, however. (Megatron taking control despite having seen first-hand what it could do, and Starscream warning him what it should have done: Obliterate him)

Also, it was called a Nemesis-c;ass ship that came to be called the Nemesis

Wrong. Read this.

Transforming into a Nemesis-class battleship, Trypticon pursued the Ark to, and subsequently through, the last remaining functional space bridge in Cybertronian orbit. As the Ark emerged in unknown space, the Nemesis was nowhere within sensor range. [Exodus]

The Nemesis was heavily damaged due to its traveling through the last remaining, yet faulty, space bridge, and thus Trypticon's sentient functionality and transformation abilities were lost, perhaps forever. Megatron didn't care too much. The Nemesis was still a functioning, fearsome battleship, and that's all he required. [Exiles]

The wfc trypticon was loyal but subservient; this ship didnt strike me as Trypticon. Im not going to say that it never was Trypticon, because this is the Aligned continuity and it's entirely possible that at some point it was. But in this episode, the mind that was brought to life was not Trypticon

Going by that logic, that wasn't really Breakdown we'd been watching in this series. See, in WfC, he was this tiny little, easily excitable guy who would freak out over the possibility of death. (Losing that game of chicken to Omega Supreme) In Prime, he's a big tough brute who rushes headlong into danger no matter how bad of an idea it is.

Also, Soundwave.

Basically, characterization in WfC means nothing.

pps: (check this shizz out ) remember when Dark Energon brought back cliffjumper? he was a mindless husk with only a mind to kill things. Now, the ship is different because it has vast databanks and computer capacity etc etc, but its the same basic concept: It very well could have been Trypticon in the past, but that mind wasnt Trypticon because the Dark energon doesnt fully restore one's mind. BOOM *drops drumsticks*

Now that's stretching it. Seriously, that's the actual definition, you're now making up ideas in order to push your own theory. I'm applying facts in order to prove...well, facts. Big difference.

Short version of the above: it's Trypticon, and there's no evidence to prove otherwise. Get over it.

[Scourgescream]

wow, could you be more rude and arrogant?

[Shadowman]

wow, could you be more rude and arrogant?

Yeah. Doesn't make me wrong, though.

[njb902]

about the dark energon thing. I belive it affects living individuals differently than dead ones so it makes sense that dead transformers are zombies and live ones are well changed. so on that theory just because the cons thought that trypticons was dead dosnt mean it was, I always kinda thought he went into stasis. I mean what sense would it make for the ship to work if trypticon died?

[Shadowman]

about the dark energon thing. I belive it affects living individuals differently than dead ones so it makes sense that dead transformers are zombies and live ones are well changed. so on that theory just because the cons thought that trypticons was dead dosnt mean it was, I always kinda thought he went into stasis. I mean what sense would it make for the ship to work if trypticon died?

That's what I was thinking. Like Megatron for most of season 1, the body was working but the mind wasn't.

[Dead Metal]

The question is, why did Trypticon disobey orders from Megatron?

[Shadowman]

The question is, why did Trypticon disobey orders from Megatron?

Dark Energon, probably. It doesn't exactly add to one's mental stability. It's worth noting that when Megatron is in "Dark Energon Mode" he tends to be an even bigger megalomaniac than normal. Starscream was like that as well when he was on Dark Energon, at least up until the Autobots blew his arm off.