Hypershock wrote:If his ship had been dead for millenia, he would not have expected it to become sentient once again.
That's why he was surprised! Not that his ship was suddenly alive, but because his ship was suddenly alive after apparently dying
Hypershock wrote:im not trying to prove that it isnt trypticon, im trying to say that to expect it to actually be Trypticon was kind of stretching it.
You know what else is stretching it? Pretending this is a new ship when all possible evidence points to the contrary. You're going along with the New Ship Theory. I'm following the Trypticon Facts.
It's called Dark Energon. It brings back the dead and often makes them go insane. Particularly strong individuals can make it work for them, however.
Hypershock wrote:the designers didnt seem to be going for "Oh I'm awake again, now I'm in charge" because in War for Cybertron and Exiles Trypticon was totally loyal to Megatron. His sentient capabilities as Trypticon were lost.
(Megatron taking control despite having seen first-hand what it could do, and Starscream warning him what it should have done: Obliterate him)
Hypershock wrote:Also, it was called a Nemesis-c;ass ship that came to be called the Nemesis
Wrong. Read this.
Transforming into a Nemesis-class battleship, Trypticon pursued the Ark to, and subsequently through, the last remaining functional space bridge in Cybertronian orbit. As the Ark emerged in unknown space, the Nemesis was nowhere within sensor range. [Exodus]
The Nemesis was heavily damaged due to its traveling through the last remaining, yet faulty, space bridge, and thus Trypticon's sentient functionality and transformation abilities were lost, perhaps forever. Megatron didn't care too much. The Nemesis was still a functioning, fearsome battleship, and that's all he required. [Exiles]
Hypershock wrote:The wfc trypticon was loyal but subservient; this ship didnt strike me as Trypticon. Im not going to say that it never was Trypticon, because this is the Aligned continuity and it's entirely possible that at some point it was. But in this episode, the mind that was brought to life was not Trypticon
Going by that logic, that wasn't really Breakdown we'd been watching in this series. See, in WfC, he was this tiny little, easily excitable guy who would freak out over the possibility of death. (Losing that game of chicken to Omega Supreme) In Prime, he's a big tough brute who rushes headlong into danger no matter how bad of an idea it is.
Also, Soundwave.Basically, characterization in WfC means nothing.
pps: (check this shizz out
) remember when Dark Energon brought back cliffjumper? he was a mindless husk with only a mind to kill things. Now, the ship is different because it has vast databanks and computer capacity etc etc, but its the same basic concept: It very well could have been Trypticon in the past, but that mind wasnt Trypticon because the Dark energon doesnt fully restore one's mind. BOOM *drops drumsticks*
Now that's stretching it. Seriously, that's the actual definition, you're now making up ideas in order to push your own theory. I'm applying facts in order to prove...well, facts. Big difference.
Short version of the above: it's Trypticon, and there's no evidence to prove otherwise. Get over it.
No, you're twisting facts and picking and choosing the ones you like. Within the same paragraph you use evidence from Exodus and/ or Exiles (cant remember which, sue me) which are essentially novel adaptations of War for Cybertron and its storyline, then later you say that characterization in WFc means nothing!! also, i underlined and bolded the thing where i said that he turned into a Nemesis-class ship, because the first line of the wiki article you sited proves what i said.
So characterization from WFC means nothing, huh? In war for cybertron, Bumblebee has his voice, and in the novels theres many contradictions about when he lost it, does that mean that Bumblebee isnt the same Bumblebee? Not in the slightest! Breakdown could have gotten some upgrades or got reformatted, but im not gonna get into the breakdown thing
The reason those individuals can make it work for them is they're still alive.
The only two people that had that power were Megatron and Starscream, but starscream sucked at it. In that same article that you so graciously provided, it says that he lost all sentient capabilities. When someone is brain-dead, they dont come back. Maybe dark energon helps with that, i dont know. Also, Dark Energon didnt have the same properties in WFC either. Megatron was surprised that it had any intelligence at all, because things that get woken up by dark energon dont have intelligence
Im not making up ideas to push my theory. We've seen what Dark Energon does to a normal cybertronian, clearly what happened here was different. Now, since it was previously stated the Trypticon lost all sentient capability, the only intelligence on that vessel left are its databanks. It was unable to answer Ratchet as to why it was so hell-bent on recovering the artifacts; if it were Trypticon, he would have recovered them to give them to Megatron. Plus, they have made efforts to at least soft-tie this series to Wfc, so using the knowledge that Wfc did come before this, was the intelligence anythin like Trypticon? No, it was cold and calculating, Trypticon would have just gone all Godzilla on them. He also wouldnt have been able to decode the Iacon database, which lends credendce to my theory that the intelligence inside the ship at that point was the onboard computer, not Trypticon coming back to life. Dark Energon possessed the computer intelligence and gave it enough plot-magic to decode the database
I will admit that i myself thought this might be trypticon before i saw the episode, then nwhen i saw a bunch of people commenting on Trypticon i got hyped uup waiting to see what would happen. But after i saw it, i said you know what, I dont think that was trypticon at all. Even if it was him in the past like you said
(or could i pull the charaterization-from-WFC-does-not-matter card, cuz if that was true then that proves it isnt Trypticon
) the intelligence that was present in this episode was not characteristic of Trypticon. Dark Energon zombifies bots; it does not make them smart.