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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:35 am

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So........

Anyone else notice that Smokescreen is the same size, if not taller, than Ratchet? What are the odds of that?

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As far as toys go...

I'm also waiting to see what they do with the AM Smokescreen. If it's a full blown repaint of Knock Out, it will look dreadful. Just because of the head, arms, and fear all of the AM ports will be in the same place:

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If they retool it they'll need to do it with the head, and hopefully reassemble the arm structure. I really want to add a Prime Smokescreen to my collection, but not if it looks fugly.

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Back on topic of the cartoon, I really hope the Smokescreen doesn't screw up with the Phase Shifter. I don't want the same thing happened to that per Star Saber. :SICK:

Also waiting for the day Wheeljack joins Team Prime. Might not happen as quick as '1, 2, 3,' however, Wheeljack needs repairs. Shot in the shoulder, beat up by Soundwave and Hardshell, and he's still out on the road. Won't be surprised if he's the first main secondary Autobot character to get killed off.

And...more named Decepticons. Anyone else invision Shockwave survived the explosion, and when the Bots & Cons are on Cybertron in the Season Finale, he's there during the climax? I'd love to see Arcee vs Shockwave.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus2006 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:46 pm

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I think that the Omega deal is similar towards Transformers Cybertron and how it Regenerated Cybertron but in TF Prime it will be done in a whole new and unique way.

The Omega Lock such as in Cybertron and in TF Prime will be diffrent and look diffrent they only share there namesake.

The Omega Keys are also diffrent from Prime and Cybertron which in Cybertron they are called the Cyber Planet Keys which are inserted into the Omega Lock.

In Prime they are called the Omega Keys which will rejuvenate Cybertron when all Omega Keys will be inserted into the Omega Lock.

I also assume the Omega Lock will need to be at a certain Location on Cybertron in order to be activated and can only be done so by a Prime so only OP or Megatron can Activate and use the Omega Lock and its Keys.

Say what you will about Megatron that was pure briliance on his part attaching a Prime onto himself if he cant obtain it through normal means Megatron always finds a new way around it.

I cant wait to see what the Omega Lock looks like we have seen the Keys but not the Lock which I assume is on Cybertron.

Alpha Trion hasnt been seen physically on the show just the wierd vision that showed him in a Dream like state but never physically has been he been on Prime.

I also reckonized AT VA from movies and I forgot his name but I recognize the VA.

Everything seen in Prime only shares the namesake of the past from the Starsaber to the Omega Lock but they are nothing alike or how they are used are also diffrent from previous shows such as Cybertrons Omega Lock, or Armada's Starsaber.

What next the Moonbeam Shield, Requiem Cannon I can think of more but I dont feel like naming them.

Hopefully Season 2 will set up for a nice Beast Hunters intro so we can get a glimpse of what to expect.

I dont know if the kids will still be on Prime they are going back to Cybertron and this Beast Hunters so it is safe to say maybe no more Earth either on Prime.

I am curious to see the kids and human allies react to their friends leaving for Cybertron.

I also figured Megatron had a 2nd Spacebridge brilliance hiding it behind the Dark side of the moon out of range and no prying eyes can see it.

Cant wait Season 3 on the way with Season 4 confirmed.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:13 pm

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Rodimus2006 wrote:The Omega Lock such as in Cybertron and in TF Prime will be diffrent and look diffrent they only share there namesake.


We don't really know that yet.

In Prime they are called the Omega Keys which will rejuvenate Cybertron when all Omega Keys will be inserted into the Omega Lock.


We don't know how or even if they will be inserted into the Omega Lock either.

Alpha Trion hasnt been seen physically on the show just the wierd vision that showed him in a Dream like state but never physically has been he been on Prime.


Well, before this episode, we saw him in the background:

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I also reckonized AT VA from movies and I forgot his name but I recognize the VA.


George Takei.

Everything seen in Prime only shares the namesake of the past from the Starsaber to the Omega Lock but they are nothing alike or how they are used are also diffrent from previous shows such as Cybertrons Omega Lock, or Armada's Starsaber.


Gee, if that's true, how are there character homages? And we haven't seen the Omega Lock, so we can't speak for them yet.

What next the Moonbeam Shield, Requiem Cannon I can think of more but I dont feel like naming them.


Alpha Trion released the final and most powerful of the relics: The Omega Keys. Don't think we'll be meeting anymore new relics anytime soon, especially considering the quest for the keys transitions directly into the Season Finale.

Hopefully Season 2 will set up for a nice Beast Hunters intro so we can get a glimpse of what to expect.


I think we're going to get some sort of "Flashback" of the gap between Season 2 and Season 3 during the Season Premiere. Because the Dinobots comic fills that gap.

I dont know if the kids will still be on Prime they are going back to Cybertron and this Beast Hunters so it is safe to say maybe no more Earth either on Prime.


Well, if not Earth, perhaps Animatron? I don't expect them to leave Earth permanently. They might just use the Decepticons' Space Bridge to their advantage. I've been thinking the Beast Hunters will be a line of Triple Changers, with vehicle modes for disguise and robot & beast modes for alternating battle strategies.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:26 pm

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I'm a bit late to the party because I was at an anime convention, but here's my little stream of consciousness.

Alpha Trion seems kinda fruity.
The Forge of Solus Prime requires "the hand of a Prime". Apparently that's a very literal statement, since Megatron grafting on the arm of an unnamed Prime allowed him to wield it.
The DARK STAR SABER, forged from pure Dark Energon. I think they should have just called it the Dark Saber, especially since that's what it was called in the Armada toyline, but whatever.
And Smokescreen is DEAD. That didn't take long.
Arcee's face is just.......oh man. She looks destroyed.
Star Saber vs. Dark Star Saber.....hell of a battle. Ultimately Optimus gets his blade broken. I expected it to last a FEW more episodes, but now the Decepticons have the advantage again, which allows for more Autobot come-from-behind victories.
And Smokescreen is un-dead.
Smokescreen saves the Omega Key, Megatron is angry, and we have our plot for the rest of the season.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:35 pm

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Am I the only one who actually *likes* the name "Dark Star Saber"?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:40 pm

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Maybe not the only one, but you're in the minority. Really, I think the first word should be replaced with something like the opposite of a star that's also monosyllabic instead of just "Dark such and such" but I can't think of anything fitting.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:54 pm

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That Bot wrote:Maybe not the only one, but you're in the minority. Really, I think the first word should be replaced with something like the opposite of a star that's also monosyllabic instead of just "Dark such and such" but I can't think of anything fitting.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:10 pm

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Because calling something the "Dark [weapon that the good guys have]" is a cheap naming cop-out. Also the Star Saber isn't forged from Energon, AFAIK.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:20 pm

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That Bot wrote:Because calling something the "Dark [weapon that the good guys have]" is a cheap naming cop-out. Also the Star Saber isn't forged from Energon, AFAIK.
But in this case is has a precedent, being forged from Dark Energon and all.

And it serves as the perfect mockery of the Star Saber that simply "Dark Saber" and/or "Vorpal Saber" wouldn't capture as well since it's not just some random Saber but the Star Saber. Megatron is taking the good name of the sword and twisting it into something ugly and revolting all in an act of spite.

Besides "Dark Energon Star Saber" is too much of a mouthful, and "Dakr Energon Sword/Saber" just doesn't have that same oomph.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:34 pm

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Dark Energon or no, it's still a gawky name and I don't like it. Bottom line.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:37 pm

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That Bot wrote:Dark Energon or no, it's still a gawky name and I don't like it. Bottom line.
Same can be said about the name "Dark Energon" itself.

Seriously, is that the best they could have come up with? Even "Angolmois" sounds more mystifying.

Either way, it's what we got and makes "Dark Star Saber" work.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:05 pm

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Actually, I agree with that. Dark Energon shares no real similarities with regular Energon, and is basically a colloquial term for the blood of Unicron. It needs a better name, too.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:18 pm

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That Bot wrote:Actually, I agree with that. Dark Energon shares no real similarities with regular Energon, and is basically a colloquial term for the blood of Unicron. It needs a better name, too.
Though, technically Dark Energon can be made from regular energon, so there is that connection.

But still, kind of an uncreative name.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus2006 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:25 am

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Megatrons deal with names he always uses the oposite of whatever OP uses such as Cybertron he used Nemesis Breaker which is opisite from Leo Breaker.

Nemeis was forgred from the Shadow Spark of Unicron the dark mist.

Dark Energon in Prime is the Life Blood of Unicron it re-animates the dead or makes them Terracons.

Red Energon amplifies which was my theory at the beginning and I was dead on saying that it makes one stronger or gives them unsual abilities from Knockouts Sound to Starscream's super-speed.

Greeen & Blue - Blue Heals and Green Posions while Dark Energon isnt really Energon it is like a Shard.

Still awesome stuff on Prime I think I will set back and watch the final episodes before I say more. Also on Sat I been watching the new TMNT taking some use to get into way way diffrent from when I was a kid. Then again so is TF Prime from my G1 1984 Transformers but I like this change it is friggin awesome.

Dont forget people they said Combiners in Prime maybe in Season 3 remember Ambominus he is a Combiner Beast. Also dont forget about Predaking and others.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus2006 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:29 am

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I will work on a new name for Dark Energon I agree Saber it is like they didnt even try to make it creative and done it the cheap way.

Why not call it Elemental Chaos or Dark Chaos Energy i will work on the name more maybe I can play around and find a better name for Dark Energron.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:15 am

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Rodimus2006 wrote:Megatrons deal with names he always uses the oposite of whatever OP uses such as Cybertron he used Nemesis Breaker which is opisite from Leo Breaker.


Still, the Vorpal Saber is more creative.

I just call it the Dark Saber and get on with it. :P

Dark Energon in Prime is the Life Blood of Unicron it re-animates the dead or makes them Terracons.


Um...the Aligned family is the first time there's anything called Dark Energon in the franchise period. There's no difference between Prime Dark Energon and the Games' & Novels' Dark Energon.

Red Energon amplifies which was my theory at the beginning and I was dead on saying that it makes one stronger or gives them unsual abilities from Knockouts Sound to Starscream's super-speed.


Red Energon does not control sound. It just gives you hyper-speed and "strength." Knock Out's sound is most likely from the Resonance Blaster.

Greeen & Blue - Blue Heals and Green Posions while Dark Energon isnt really Energon it is like a Shard.


Dark Energon isn't Energon? Then how is it Dark Energon?

All Energon comes in shards until it's processed, except for Synthetic Energon for self-explanatory reasons.

Dont forget people they said Combiners in Prime maybe in Season 3 remember Ambominus he is a Combiner Beast. Also dont forget about Predaking and others.


But why use them when we could have a Prime Bruticus and........Defensor?

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus2006 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:43 am

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I think Abominus and Predaking would be a more perfect fit for the Beast Hunters storyline rather that Bruticus and the Combaticons or the Aerialbots with Superion.

I would love also to see in prime The Protectobots also a combiner.

Some triple changers such as Springer and others from G1 done in a whole new way if Abominus and Predaking were to be in Prime trust me they wouldnt be like in G1 new look new Alts and a new Combiner Form.

Skylynx would also fit into the Beast Hunters storyline.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:50 am

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Rodimus2006 wrote:I think Abominus and Predaking would be a more perfect fit for the Beast Hunters storyline rather that Bruticus and the Combaticons or the Aerialbots with Superion.


Indeed, but I don't think that means vehicle-based Transformers will be cut from the story altogether.

Some triple changers such as Springer and others from G1 done in a whole new way if Abominus and Predaking were to be in Prime trust me they wouldnt be like in G1 new look new Alts and a new Combiner Form.


We don't know that. There have been plenty of physical character homages to say Transformers Prime doesn't completely re-do designs to make the mind-blowingly different from G1. Take Ratchet, Breakdown, Megatron, Wheeljack, and Cliffjumper for examples. The only two that do not have any physical homages to a previous incarnation as far as features or color scheme go is Soundwave and Makeshift (with the arguable Smokescreen, Dreadwing & Knock Out).

Skylynx would also fit into the Beast Hunters storyline.


Indeed. I just hope the "Beasts" coming to us in Beast Hunters are triple changers, with the third mode being a vehicle for disguise. It would make a nice story arc and great sales gimmick if Hasbro does the toys right. ;)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Still, the Vorpal Saber is more creative.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Hypershock » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:16 pm

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That Bot wrote:Because calling something the "Dark [weapon that the good guys have]" is a cheap naming cop-out. Also the Star Saber isn't forged from Energon, AFAIK.


You're forgetting that the Dark Star Saber was made by the Forge of Solus Prime, which can literally make ANY weapon provided the power of a Prime and raw material. I didn't mind the Dark Star Saber either, Sabrblade ;)

Also, better name for Dark Energon? Corrupted Energon, Unicronic Energon, Tenebrous Energon, Chaos Energon....... i could go on :) you could also put those names in front of Star saber and it works too. But Dark Energon and Dark Star Saber, while they don't really trigger the imagination, i think they work.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Hypershock wrote:You're forgetting that the Dark Star Saber was made by the Forge of Solus Prime, which can literally make ANY weapon provided the power of a Prime and raw material.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Hypershock » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:33 pm

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Hypershock wrote:You're forgetting that the Dark Star Saber was made by the Forge of Solus Prime, which can literally make ANY weapon provided the power of a Prime and raw material.

What does that have to do with it?

Because you said the Star Saber isn't forged from energon. that's true, but it also doesn't matter because the Forge can make anything, so the material the Sabers are made out of makes no difference
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:36 pm

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Hypershock wrote:You're forgetting that the Dark Star Saber was made by the Forge of Solus Prime, which can literally make ANY weapon provided the power of a Prime and raw material.

What does that have to do with it?

Because you said the Star Saber isn't forged from energon. that's true, but it also doesn't matter because the Forge can make anything, so the material the Sabers are made out of makes no difference


Are you suggesting they obtain the Forge of Solus Prime and attempt to create a new Star Saber?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:39 pm

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Hypershock wrote:You're forgetting that the Dark Star Saber was made by the Forge of Solus Prime, which can literally make ANY weapon provided the power of a Prime and raw material.

What does that have to do with it?

Because you said the Star Saber isn't forged from energon. that's true, but it also doesn't matter because the Forge can make anything, so the material the Sabers are made out of makes no difference

I only brought that up because Sabrblade pointed out the connection between the Dark Star Saber being named such partly because it was made out of Dark Energon. Sure, "Dark" also means "evil", "corrupted", "negative", etc. in this case, but calling it the Dark Star Saber because it's made of Dark Energon when we don't know that the regular Star Saber is made of regular Energon is a bit of a failed parallel. I just want a better name, honestly.
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