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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:53 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,


My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:05 pm

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Burn wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,


My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

He employed the Wile E Coyote factor.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby YRQRM0 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:15 pm

Burn wrote:
BeastProwl wrote:
Burn wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,


My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

He employed the Wile E Coyote factor.


The phase shifter is just that smart.

I really like how useful and cool they made the phase shifter in this episode, here's hoping we'll see more of it along with the Apex armor, Dark Saber, Tox-n, and whatever else there was that I've forgotten already..
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Bubbah » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:10 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:...Unless Hasbro ever makes a mainstream cartoon that outright acknowledges the multiverse to a similar extent to the Fun Pub comics. Example: An episode of Prime in which the Autobots explicitly gaze into windows of other worlds and dimensions that all contain imagery from previous cartoons and movies. ;)

haha ... Now my head is starting to hurt! That would be as bad as trying have all of the Marvel Universe (not the old school TF series but the Avengers, Xmen, Spiderman, etc) make sense. Beast Wars did good with working with G1, but I can only imagine the nightmare that would take place trying to tie in everything over the last 30 years together. 8-}
Um, no. That is not what I said. Keywords being "OTHER worlds and DIMENSIONS".

Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate :)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:12 am

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Oy. Prime is not a rewrite of G1. Why? Hasbro said so. I don't need any bullcrap on how official that is, because Prime, and this whole Aligned continuity, is their child. This isn't a pissy case of FIRRIB. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:24 am

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BeastProwl wrote:
Burn wrote:
Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,


My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?


Only if he wasn't wearing a wristband that allows him to pass through solid surfaces...
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:09 pm

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Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate :)
but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Bubbah » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:35 pm

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Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate :)
but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:51 pm

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Bubbah wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate :)
but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.


Too late. G1 Cliffjumper ended up in the Shatter Glass universe, which is a big part of that story's plot. Unicron, as well as Primus, and all of the Original 13 are also known dimension hoppers, and unlike, say, Optimus Prime, they are always the same character no matter what series they've appeared in. In fact, that's Nexus Prime's entire shtick, he's a combiner, but his individual components are made up of characters from different universes.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:51 pm

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Bubbah wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate :)
but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.
I never said or meant to imply that. All I said was them "looking" at other worlds and simply acknowledging their existence as such.

Besides, the comics have already done those kinds of dimension-hopping stories. Some are cool and some are not. I just think that a cartoon giving some kind of recognition to the multiverse (while not necessarily with anyone traversing the dimensions but simply looking at them) would be cool.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:06 am

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*The Omega Key is literally inside Smokescreen. That's an interesting resolution, I was thinking he was actually built as the key. But uh....wouldn't that mess with his internal workings? If you stuck a ruler inside a person's abdomen, I'm assuming that would cause some health concerns? Am I overthinking this?
*Knock Out starts acting like he's going to dissect Smokescreen. BRUTAL. Then he chuckles and turns on the phase shifter, and pulls the key out. Still pretty gruesome-looking.
*Smokescreen grabs the Phase Shifter to phase his way out of the restraints, snatches it off Knock Out, grabs the key, and makes a chase. Fancy. Ultimately he grabs the other key and Knock Out gets stuck in the wall like Han Solo in frozen carbonite. Except conscious. So.....did the wall where his torso is just disappear? Because if it's still there, it should bisect him and you'd have a Knock Out in several pieces. Oh well, can't go QUITE that far with a kids' show.
*Meanwhile, Starscream sets his plan in motion. He uses the last of the red energon and his doppelganger to lure out the Autobots, sneak in their Groundbridge, and find and steal the Omega Keys. FANTASTIC and GORGEOUS animation in this segment. When he triggers the emergency sprinklers, and is running around in suspended water, WOW. Unfortunately his speed boost wears off just as he gets out. And here I'm thinking he should have killed Arcee and everybody inside FIRST instead of risking discovery like he did and missing his chance. But we like our Autobots better alive. Did anybody catch what Optimus was saying in super-slow motion there?
*Starscream offers the keys to Megatron. How did he get aboard? Did he replace his T-Cog on his own after all? Did he groundbridge aboard when it's been previously established that he has no idea where it is at a given time? I agree with the previous person about leverage. Prove you have the keys, but don't bring them with you or Megatron will just be tempted to kill you and take them for himself.

*Megatron throwing Vehicons: Poor Steve. That was a funny bit, though. And a brick joke when he landed.
*The idea of opening a groundbridge beneath Smokescreen is an interesting one. It would redirect his momentum to be parallel to the ground so he could ultimately roll to a stop or something. Given the limited space between the console and the bridge, I think he'd probably run into it and damage it, though. But that issue is averted when he's thrown off course and uses the phase shifter to magically phase through the ground. This suggests that the grounding is literally on one's feet, but then he should still get his feet stuck when the rest of him phases through.....SO MANY ISSUES. And assuming that wasn't an issue, why didn't he just fall through the Earth until he got to the very core of Unicron? If, somehow, being on a plateau was observable by the phase shifter, he should still have been smashed to pieces when he hit the actual "ground" level. Maybe solid objects act like liquid or something when you're phasing so he was able to decelerate safely? THERE ARE SO MANY PHYSICS QUESTIONS RAISED BY THIS OBJECT.

Yet I still love the show. How many episodes do we have left? 2?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:43 am

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Patch, Regeneration, and Darkest Hour is what we have left. Three.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:04 am

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That Bot wrote:*The Omega Key is literally inside Smokescreen. That's an interesting resolution, I was thinking he was actually built as the key. But uh....wouldn't that mess with his internal workings? If you stuck a ruler inside a person's abdomen, I'm assuming that would cause some health concerns? Am I overthinking this?
Secret compartment, perhaps?

So secret even he didn't know about it. :P

That Bot wrote:And here I'm thinking he should have killed Arcee and everybody inside FIRST instead of risking discovery like he did and missing his chance.
Business before pleasure, I guess.

Plus, wasn't Arcee keeping her arm on the level to not only close it when told to, but to keep it open at first? He he killed her, the lever might have started falling on its own, thus closing the portal and leaving Starscream stuck inside the base.

That Bot wrote:*Starscream offers the keys to Megatron. How did he get aboard? Did he replace his T-Cog on his own after all? Did he groundbridge aboard when it's been previously established that he has no idea where it is at a given time?
That's only the Autobots who couldn't track the Nemesis. Starscream, however, could track the ship's movements with the Harbinger's equipment. And since he had access to a GroundBridge, he must have Bridge'd there.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:55 am

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Hmm. I'd love TFP Jazz & Perceptor. I hope the rumors hinted at NYCC are true about that. :P

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:15 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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I can't help it, it's a step above my willing suspension of disbelief when the phase is cancelled before you finish passing through an object and no ill consequence is experienced beyond not being able to move.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:50 pm

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That Bot wrote:I can't help it, it's a step above my willing suspension of disbelief when the phase is cancelled before you finish passing through an object and no ill consequence is experienced beyond not being able to move.


That was Shadowcat from X-Men's favorite ability. But if your suspension of disbelief wasn't shattered at "Wristband that allows giant talking robots from space to walk through walls" then "Getting stuck in a wall" should still be okay.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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I'm willing to suspend belief on phasing itself because I'm willing to accept that they become temporarily intangible, and I don't care about how, as long as nothing is existing in the same space as the wall or whatever is being passed through at a given time. When that stops being the case, i.e. the phase is stopped before Knock Out is all the way through the wall, he becomes solid again and he is existing in the same place as the wall. Giant talking robots from space that can turn into cars and trucks and have a device that makes them intangible? Sure, fine, why not. Giant talking robots from space that can turn into cars and trucks and can exist in the same place as solid objects without being intangible or causing some kind of damage to either object or robot? Get outta here! :P
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:43 pm

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When has a cartoon followed the laws of physics?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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I'm sure there's been a few examples.

Whatever, it's not a huge deal. Knock Out isn't going to stay a wall decoration for long.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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That Bot wrote:I'm sure there's been a few examples.

Whatever, it's not a huge deal. Knock Out isn't going to stay a wall decoration for long.

Considering he's up and walking around during the preview at the end of the last episode, the 'cons obviously find a way to extract him from the wall.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:26 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:When has a cartoon followed the laws of physics?


I'm going to take that one step further and ask when has Transformers ever followed the laws of physics? Arcee breaks the law of conservation of mass just by transforming, Alpha Trion has a book that can tell the future, and the core of Earth is an ancient God-like machine and somehow no one ever noticed. If you're going to get hung up on Knock out getting stuck in a wall because of a piece of non-existent technology that already breaks the laws of physics, then it's silly not to get hung up on every other scientific impossibility in the show.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby That Bot » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:06 pm

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The more people tell me I shouldn't get hung up on it, the more I'm going to find ways to justify getting hung up on one nonsensical thing in a franchise defined by nonsensical things. Let's move on, shall we? I've already said it doesn't bother me tremendously, it just jumped out at me that the new applications of the phase shifter defy even its own logic.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Hypershock » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:21 pm

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That Bot wrote:I'm sure there's been a few examples.

Whatever, it's not a huge deal. Knock Out isn't going to stay a wall decoration for long.


Yea, here's what i have to say about that.

I will be the first to admit that i have kind of been an apologist for Prime, i've tried to defend its ups and its downs, but this is the one thing that i disliked so much that it took me out (besides the end of Chimera and Silasdown).

It wasn't so much the whole stuck in the wall thing, that i enjoyed, it was one line by Megatron: "You shall serve as a constant reminder to those who dare fail me" or something like that. Immediately after i was like "oh man, Knockout's gonna be in a wall now? wow thats awesome.....wait, in the preview he was out again. Huh?"

Again, my qualm isn't that he was stuck in the wall, or even if we don't see him get removed, it's that Megatron wanted him to stay in the wall as a constant, as in permanent, reminder to his other followers. And i knew that he'd get removed eventually of course, but for it to happen within the very next episode caused me to think about it on a meta level, which led me to this assumption: either the showrunners outright do not regulate what the freelance writers put in their scripts to make continuity flow, or they are cognizant of the status quo and they just don't care; both of which are huge red flags for me.

With MECH, they've already proved to me that they can develop excellent ideas, but when they don't go along with what they have planned, they will run them to the ground. Now, they're starting to prove that there is a disconnect of some type between the writers that is starting to be a detriment to the show, and i hope they can escape that; im not sure that they can now. I am always prepared to eat a bit of crow on any subject, however it is rare that i have had to do that.
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