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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:04 pm

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My thoughts on the end of season 2 and guesses for s3, better late than never.

Optimus: Last we see him, there are still sparks, so he still has a 'heartbeat'.Wheeljack, Airachnid and every Decep are in his vicinity so there might be some type of contest over his body or self. In reality, I suspect he'll be taken prisoner or hostage tho he might be discarded. I also see a small possibility that he'll go back to thinking he's Orion Pax/Optronix and serve the Deceps, but without the Iacon files to crack, I don't see what use he is to them any more. I wonder of they feel that killing him is an important tradition?

Alpha Trion: Missing in action. He hid a key in Smokescreen, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's hidden himself in the fortress Megatron 'Downloaded' to Earth. If he can still see events through the reforged Star Saber, he knows it would be a workable plan. This bloke :KREMZEEK: could be used an excuse to change A3 into downloadable material if he were a 'sample' of his kind in the Iacon hall of records, as A3 could technically scan him and take his form long enough to stash himself inside the 'download' of the fortress. Some cousin artefact of the phase shifter (do we really guess A3 bolted without taking any artefacts with him at all? could also be used as an excuse to stash A3 in the fort. Wheeljack, looking for Optimus, could be the catalyst that busts A3 out of some wall. Do I expect it? Nope, but for now it's logical guessing.

Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep. With the Predacons coming, Megatron has a massive arsenal, so she may be used to take the insecticons away from him again. A 'betrayal' by the Insecticons would be a good excuse to show off Predaking in combat without killing Autobots off straight from episode 1. Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode. If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero. Tiny, mostly unlikely chance she'll do something to zombify Dreadwing to help along some type of brief subplot thread.

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances. He always knew what to expect from Optimus and should be too busy shepherding the homeless A/bots and the kids around, possibly only via comm, to dwell on it for too long. It's a matter of character evolution which may be a vibe in the studios overall as knowledge of the 'evolution' concept in the next Bay film starts to come to light. Issue may surface briefly if Optimus is reunited with his team. Otherwise, Ratchet will use a defence and justification of Optimus to put any new prime in line.

Megz:This is a story about being a Prime. The writers have the guts to explore A/bots as fugitives and refugees of an honestly lost war. They should have let Megz get higher in psuedo-Prime status for a little. He got the arm of "Anonymous prime", a saber, a Cybertronian city-fortress and a chance to revive Cybertron. I think, since the dialogue already set any revival of Cybertron by him to be falsifiable, that he should have been allowed to do it for a day, then get shot in the foot.Doesn't matter now.

Zombie-Cons/Zombie-bots: What, the dark energon wore off? The exploding space bridge killed them all? Not satisfied. More mannequins limited for budget, promised to be used again and discarded for flashback fillers.

Bulkhead:He is developing the strength of will to control Miko and Smokescreens capability to distract him. Good. Should be useful.

I seriously hope more A/bots come to Earth in response to Primes' calls. This whole substory has been left behind, even in the Movieverse, it was there-but-not-there. If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet, If Prowl, not a motorbike, if any others, more soldiers, please. 3 for every one specialist, otherwise it's a parade of Han Solo toys and no supporting Rebel trooper toys.

Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:19 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep.


Wheeljack's an Autobot; you know that, right? And, Airachnid is a rogue Decepticon. She tried to overthrow Megatron and killed Breakdown. The 'cons would do well to leave her in a vegetative state, if she is in one.



Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode.


Why would she join the Decepticons again. No...why would Megatron allow her to join the Decepticons again. Airachnid wouldn't have anything of interest to Megatron.

If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero.


Wheeljack is not part of Team Prime, but why the hell would he team up with Airachnid?

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances.


Right. So maybe he'll join up with Wheeljack.

If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet,


Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard here.

If Prowl, not a motorbike,


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Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?


The Predacons are hunters. They're hunting the five Autobots that are out on the run.

Fowler:The Human perspective: If he has decided it's time to call things an emergency, he may push for the military to set up a new M.E.C.H project.


What?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:31 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
G1 Smoketreader wrote:Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep.


Wheeljack's an Autobot; you know that, right? And, Airachnid is a rogue Decepticon. She tried to overthrow Megatron and killed Breakdown. The 'cons would do well to leave her in a vegetative state, if she is in one.



Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode.


Why would she join the Decepticons again. No...why would Megatron allow her to join the Decepticons again. Airachnid wouldn't have anything of interest to Megatron.

If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero.


Wheeljack is not part of Team Prime, but why the hell would he team up with Airachnid?

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances.


Right. So maybe he'll join up with Wheeljack.

If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet,


Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard here.

If Prowl, not a motorbike,


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Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?


The Predacons are hunters. They're hunting the five Autobots that are out on the run.

Fowler:The Human perspective: If he has decided it's time to call things an emergency, he may push for the military to set up a new M.E.C.H project.


What?




Of course I know Wheeljack is an A/bot.



Wheeljack is in the vicinity of the wrecked base and what's left of OP.A Patrol will most likely be sent directly to his crash site. He doesn't know the outcome of the battle yet and doesn't know OP is down.If he evades the patrol,he may head to the base to regroup and continue the battle (provided he isn't crippled, knocked out etc). I'm not sure if he even knows about Airachnid being in the stasis prison.Once he determines the base is destroyed, he may try to wait until the Decep mop-up is over then try to search for Autobot survivors.

Airachnid also doesn't know what's been going on lately.The base ruin is an excellent hiding place for her by default. She will be able both to hide and observe before WJ even gets there to start joining dots, (leaving her with the potential to trade info with WJ in regards to the fate of OP in the event that OPs body is removed by Megz, thereby forcing her and WJ to talk or negotiate, opening the doors to potential immediate teamwork in the face of survival and so on and so forth, even tho trading info is Starscreams MO, not hers).

HOWEVER, Airachnid has the capability to control the Insecticons at range, meaning she may immediately summon them to her and then leave the battlefield with them. If Megz and his remaining Deceps retaliate right away, WJ will have opportunities to search the base wreckage unnoticed, at least for a bit- Soundwave might get wind of him any which way and that's a rematch just waiting to happen.

If they (WJ & A/nid) run into each other while trying to sift through or sneak away from ground zero, they can choose to start fighting and make enough ruckuss to bring out all the Deceps from the tower again and get captured or killed, leave each other alone for now, or team up long enough to get by the immediate Decep patrol cordons.I didn't say they'd make friends, just team up for about 20 minutes.They can kill each other later.

Yes, the Predacons are hunters but the Autobots have their War irrevocably lost (for now) and their last Prime-their last figurehead of Autobothood- downed behind enemy lines: Excellent bait.

That Prowl looks great. A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?

There have been TF comics in which the Earths' military have tried to replicate Transformers, so treat it as TF lore waiting to be homaged by TF Prime or one of its' successor installments.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:26 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?


We don't get it? You obviously don't get it. WFC Starscream is the same guy that TF Prime Starscream is. FoC Jazz would be the same guy as TF Prime Jazz. And this isn't our personal views; this is official.

Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard in any of the Aligned fiction. Therefore, he wouldn't suddenly be one after leaving Cybertron.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:33 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?


We don't get it? You obviously don't get it. WFC Starscream is the same guy that TF Prime Starscream is. FoC Jazz would be the same guy as TF Prime Jazz. And this isn't our personal views; this is official.

Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard in any of the Aligned fiction. Therefore, he wouldn't suddenly be one after leaving Cybertron.


Suddenly? No, not suddenly if you're a good storyteller and not suddenly if there is a gap of aeons to work with.

Any which way, I'd like somebody to be an elite Guard vet in order to provide smokescreen with a mentor. Smokes' totally capable but his self opinion is idiotic.Jazz was a good candidate in my head since he has high fan factor and his presentation to viewers in the Bayverse was executed horrendously.

That's the same Starscream in personality as well? You're kidding?

Is Prime Soundwave officially the same bloke as WfC Soundwave as well? That's an honest question, I'm not being a smartarse.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:08 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:

Suddenly? No, not suddenly if you're a good storyteller and not suddenly if there is a gap of aeons to work with.


But Jazz would need to train with them first, and he was already off of Cybertron. There was no boot camp on the Ark, and definitely not on any of the planets they were hopping to and from, so how could he have trained to be an Elite Guardsman in that condition?

Any which way, I'd like somebody to be an elite Guard vet in order to provide smokescreen with a mentor. Smokes' totally capable but his self opinion is idiotic.Jazz was a good candidate in my head since he has high fan factor and his presentation to viewers in the Bayverse was executed horrendously.


The Elite Guard in the Aligned family are, put bluntly, a bunch of bodyguards. They served for the High Council. Even with the supporting factor that he never was, I would not want that to become of Jazz, regardless of the Animated reference.


That's the same Starscream in personality as well? You're kidding?


What's different about their personalities?


Is Prime Soundwave officially the same bloke as WfC Soundwave as well? That's an honest question, I'm not being a smartarse.


Yes. WFC Soundwave is Prime Soundwave. Just like WFC Megatron is Prime Megatron, WFC Bumblebee is Prime Bumblebee, WFC Breakdown is Prime Breakdown, etc. This applies to everyone in Prime, they're all the same dudes.

To elaborate, in chronological order, there was Exodus, WFC, FoC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots. That's the timeline of the Aligned family.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 am

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To be little more precise, the chronological timeline of the Aligned fiction seems to be as follows:
  • Exodus (chapters 1-11)
  • WFC comic/Exodus (chapters 12-15)
  • WFC game/Exodus (chapters 16-38)
  • FOC comic
  • FOC game/Exodus (chapter 39)
  • Rage of the Dinobots
  • Exiles
  • *millions and millions of years pass by*
  • Prime comic (chapters 1-2)/Prime cartoon episode 43's flashback
  • Prime comic (chapters 3-4)
  • Prime cartoon/Rescue Bots cartoon (the Prime game would also occur around this point if it could only fit neater into the show's timeline).
And, as an aside, the Rescue Bots storybooks seem to be their own continuity unrelated to the greater Aligned timeline.

G1 Smoketreader, you've openly stated that you haven't played the games or read the books, but you're still making assumptions and guesses without really knowing the stories of each. Wouldn't it be better just, you know, go play the games/read the books so you can get a better grasp on what you're wanting to talk about here?

Jazz can't have been a member of the Elite Guard since he was never one during his entire life on Cybertron, and by the time after he had left the planet, the Elite Guard was pretty much no more.

And like PrymeStriker said, every character in Prime is the same person as their counterparts in WFC/FOC. Optimus, Bumblebee, Arcee, Ratchet, Cliffjumper, Wheeljack, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Laserbeak, Breakdown, Shockwave, Hardshell... all the same people between the games and cartoon.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby MasterSoundBlaster » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:11 am

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I haven't even read the books but I still accept the series as part of the Aligned Fiction.

(Though I would really love to read "War of the Dinobots", anyone know if it's avaliable and if so where would be a good place to go and get it?"
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:59 am

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MasterSoundBlaster wrote:Though I would really love to read "War of the Dinobots", anyone know if it's avaliable and if so where would be a good place to go and get it?"


Don't you mean "Rage of the Dinobots?" Because "War of the Dinobots" was a G1 comic & episode.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:48 am

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My point isn't that I can't accept the alignment and continuity, my point is that I don't see characters in Prime from the games. I see characters FOR Prime. I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets. I see them getting applauded for contradicting their own installments' timeline cuz the don't have the talent to ignore the formula they chose long enough to go around a bump. Instead they ignore the bump and we are expected to beg for more.

Personal opinion, not for starting an argument: Rescue bots is for our kids, not for us. I wouldn't watch it unless my Son called me over to him, to watch it with him. If I couldn't get enough out of Prime and the Movieverse and needed to watch Rescue Bots in order to get my fill, I'd take it as a sign of bad health or bad luck, either of mine or of the story writing capabilities of the TF universe as it stands at the moment. Not attacking anyone- the idea that Rescue Bots can belong only to the children of older TF fans and new, very young TF fans was a sentiment expressed by very many about the show when the news about it first broke. I came to agree with them later. (And before anyone flies off the handle I didn't say every adult who watches rescue bots is sick by default. I'm saying that by letting my Son have rescue bots to himself helps me avoid turning him into a miniature TF collecting version of me-he ends up entering and leaving the TF universe with his own opinions about it. Others may disagree heatedly and say it's an excellent opportunity for quality time and a common hobby. I agree with that, I just chose differently and WILL spend the quality time with him as long as he invites me to do so).(NOTE: I also am not saying that rescue Bots doesn't cater to older viewers.)

Anyway, two more thoughts on Airachnid-

*that if, for some reason she wants out and tries to get offworld rather than continue her stay on Earth in Prime, there is Wheeljacks' ship for her to gun for.

*That as a Huntress she may try to pit her skills against the Predacons anyway.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby MasterSoundBlaster » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:58 am

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MasterSoundBlaster wrote:Though I would really love to read "War of the Dinobots", anyone know if it's avaliable and if so where would be a good place to go and get it?"


Don't you mean "Rage of the Dinobots?" Because "War of the Dinobots" was a G1 comic & episode

Yeah my bad. Gettin my continuties all mixed up again...
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:39 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:47 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


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Beast Machines. :P
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:07 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:My point isn't that I can't accept the alignment and continuity, my point is that I don't see characters in Prime from the games.


Fine. Don't accept it. It's still the truth, whether you like it or not.

I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


Because they've never told the tale of "what happens next" before.

* Generation One
* Beast Wars
* Beast Machines
(A full list here)
* Armada
* Energon
* Cybertron

Nah, they just make transformers to sell toys.

Where have you been the last 25 years?

I see them getting applauded for contradicting their own installments' timeline cuz the don't have the talent to ignore the formula they chose long enough to go around a bump. Instead they ignore the bump and we are expected to beg for more.


Because the Aligned continuity is the first continuity to have contradictions.

>:oP

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You haven't watched it, then. I'm not fond of it either, but it's not on the kiddie level of, for example, Team Umizoomi.

Anyway, two more thoughts on Airachnid-

*that if, for some reason she wants out and tries to get offworld rather than continue her stay on Earth in Prime, there is Wheeljacks' ship for her to gun for.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:24 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:@Sabr: What you're saying is obviously right: I should play the games and read the books. I live in Greece- I've bought the games twice for others because I could at the time and they couldn't,but each time was with the savings available for me to buy a PS3. I'm not in a hurry to buy the books because I know I will find them and buy them one day and read them in a more peaceful time. I'm looking forward to it but I have no plan to treat them as part of any timeline, just good books and a special treat for me.


While I agree in general (procuring all available information), I have an issue in the specifics.

Videogames and machines to play them on are expensive, and a luxury good that not everyone can afford. All I know about the games is from any second-hand rendition such as summaries, adaptations, comics, or walkthroughs. And I tend to use libraries for most of my comic reading, if it's not the series I'm into at the moment. (I only allow myself a couple of series, one of which is The Unwritten, or I'll go over budget.)

As for the books, don't bother. The style is awful, the story has bigger plotholes and continuity errors than what I've seen in most of the franchise, and the writing is awful. Yes, it's that bad. I have no idea how Irvine managed to write two of them, with that approach.

Anyway, gone too much off topic.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:38 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:55 pm

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Va'al wrote:Videogames and machines to play them on are expensive, and a luxury good that not everyone can afford.
Which is why I recommended walkthroughs on YouTube to those who don't have the games. ;)

Va'al wrote:As for the books, don't bother. The style is awful, the story has bigger plotholes and continuity errors than what I've seen in most of the franchise, and the writing is awful. Yes, it's that bad. I have no idea how Irvine managed to write two of them, with that approach.
They're far from perfect and very flawed, yes, but if one wants to get the best idea of what's written in the Binder, the books are the way to go. :P

Va'al wrote:When's season 3 supposed to air?
Next yearish, we guess.

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Shadowman wrote:
G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.
Beast Machines. :P


Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.
Fixed that for ya. :lol:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby njb902 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:02 pm

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Va'al wrote:Videogames and machines to play them on are expensive, and a luxury good that not everyone can afford.
Which is why I recommended walkthroughs on YouTube to those who don't have the games. ;)

Va'al wrote:As for the books, don't bother. The style is awful, the story has bigger plotholes and continuity errors than what I've seen in most of the franchise, and the writing is awful. Yes, it's that bad. I have no idea how Irvine managed to write two of them, with that approach.
They're far form perfect and very flawed, yes, but if one wants to get the best idea of what's written in the Binder, the books are the way to go. :P

Va'al wrote:When's season 3 supposed to air?
Next yearish, we guess.

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Shadowman wrote:
G1 Smoketreader wrote:I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.


Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.
Beast Machines. :P


Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.
Fixed that for ya. :lol:


Lol. I do agree with Shadowman though. Beast machines was just to ponderous, I'll take the wham bam thank ya ma'am transformers any day over that.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:08 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:16 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.
Fixed that for ya. :lol:


While it did get into philosophical themes regarding Transforming and the balance between beast and machine, the problem was that it had to crap all over Beast Wars to do it. To say nothing of how poorly they handled the characters (Scott McNeil is still mad about how Silverbolt was dealt with) but it's a series in which its serialized storyline works against it. It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:30 pm

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Shadowman wrote:It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.


That's what we've been doing with most of Prime, especially season 2 (mind the summer break). I don't understand your complaint. :???:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:31 pm

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njb902 wrote:Lol. I do agree with Shadowman though. Beast machines was just to ponderous, I'll take the wham bam thank ya ma'am transformers any day over that.
It was highbrow. Nothing wrong with a bit of classiness. :-B

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Shadowman wrote:Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.
Fixed that for ya. :lol:


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It kept me coming back every week when I was a kid, and I like Silverbolt's dramatic shock of character evolution. Keeping him the same would have felt a bit static for his growth. Sure, there was plenty of room for improvement, but what we got was cool to me.

And David Kaye has fond memories of it. ;)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:22 pm

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Shadowman wrote:While it did get into philosophical themes regarding Transforming and the balance between beast and machine, the problem was that it had to crap all over Beast Wars to do it. To say nothing of how poorly they handled the characters (Scott McNeil is still mad about how Silverbolt was dealt with) but it's a series in which its serialized storyline works against it. It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.
It kept me coming back every week when I was a kid, and I like Silverbolt's dramatic shock of character evolution. Keeping him the same would have felt a bit static for his growth. Sure, there was plenty of room for improvement, but what we got was cool to me.


Silverbolt, in Beast Wars, was the archetype of the white knight, almost to the point of parody, and that's what made him fun, that's what made him such a great character. Then they changed him into this mopey, whiny character, almost a parody of the black knight, but they never went over-the-top with it, they played it straight, and that's what ruined it. he was no longer fun, just emo.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:38 pm

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Shadowman wrote:Silverbolt, in Beast Wars, was the archetype of the white knight, almost to the point of parody, and that's what made him fun, that's what made him such a great character. Then they changed him into this mopey, whiny character, almost a parody of the black knight, but they never went over-the-top with it, they played it straight, and that's what ruined it. he was no longer fun, just emo.
I know this. but I liked that the parody white knight had his eyes opened to the realities of war and villainy, experiencing first hand (and frighteningly enjoying) the sadistic nature of that which he despised. Being Jetstorm changed him for the worse, and it was interesting seeing him try to make amends for his past sins while being eaten up inside by guilt. He was put in a tight position and had to overcome his inner demons, which I felt was an interesting take on the character.

Shadowman wrote:Also Rattrap.
I'm mixed on him. On one hand, he was made more cowardly, less sarcastic, not as fun, and got a lousy robot design. On the other hand, his lack of weaponry gave him an opportunity to explore a new career path that he otherwise wouldn't have willingly taken due to it being outside his comfort zone. By removing his weapons, he had think less with his guns and more with his head, becoming the team's tech expert and seemingly following in the footsteps of his best friend Rhinox. In a way, Rattrap grew to carry on Rhinox's legacy whether he knew this or not, and I think that's cool. :D
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Sabrblade wrote:On one hand, he was made more cowardly, less sarcastic, not as fun, and got an epic robot design.


Fixed. ;)

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