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[Shadowman]

I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.

Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.

Beast Machines.

Yeah, but Beast Machines was terrible, so it doesn't count.

[Sabrblade]

Videogames and machines to play them on are expensive, and a luxury good that not everyone can afford.

Which is why I recommended walkthroughs on YouTube to those who don't have the games.

As for the books, don't bother. The style is awful, the story has bigger plotholes and continuity errors than what I've seen in most of the franchise, and the writing is awful. Yes, it's that bad. I have no idea how Irvine managed to write two of them, with that approach.

They're far from perfect and very flawed, yes, but if one wants to get the best idea of what's written in the Binder, the books are the way to go.

When's season 3 supposed to air?

Next yearish, we guess.

I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.

Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.

Beast Machines.

Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.

Fixed that for ya.

[njb902]

Videogames and machines to play them on are expensive, and a luxury good that not everyone can afford.

Which is why I recommended walkthroughs on YouTube to those who don't have the games.

As for the books, don't bother. The style is awful, the story has bigger plotholes and continuity errors than what I've seen in most of the franchise, and the writing is awful. Yes, it's that bad. I have no idea how Irvine managed to write two of them, with that approach.

They're far form perfect and very flawed, yes, but if one wants to get the best idea of what's written in the Binder, the books are the way to go.

When's season 3 supposed to air?

Next yearish, we guess.

I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets.

Welcome to the world of Transformers fiction! Storytelling is pushed aside for a more obvious purpose. And it's never not been that way.

Beast Machines.

Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.

Fixed that for ya.

Lol. I do agree with Shadowman though. Beast machines was just to ponderous, I'll take the wham bam thank ya ma'am transformers any day over that.

[PrymeStriker]

Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.

Fixed that for ya.

[Shadowman]

Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.

Fixed that for ya.

While it did get into philosophical themes regarding Transforming and the balance between beast and machine, the problem was that it had to crap all over Beast Wars to do it. To say nothing of how poorly they handled the characters (Scott McNeil is still mad about how Silverbolt was dealt with) but it's a series in which its serialized storyline works against it. It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.

[PrymeStriker]

It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.

That's what we've been doing with most of Prime, especially season 2 (mind the summer break). I don't understand your complaint.

[Sabrblade]

Lol. I do agree with Shadowman though. Beast machines was just to ponderous, I'll take the wham bam thank ya ma'am transformers any day over that.

It was highbrow. Nothing wrong with a bit of classiness.

Yeah, but Beast Machines was extraordinary, so it doesn't count.

Fixed that for ya.

While it did get into philosophical themes regarding Transforming and the balance between beast and machine, the problem was that it had to crap all over Beast Wars to do it. To say nothing of how poorly they handled the characters (Scott McNeil is still mad about how Silverbolt was dealt with) but it's a series in which its serialized storyline works against it. It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.

It kept me coming back every week when I was a kid, and I like Silverbolt's dramatic shock of character evolution. Keeping him the same would have felt a bit static for his growth. Sure, there was plenty of room for improvement, but what we got was cool to me.

And David Kaye has fond memories of it.

[Shadowman]

While it did get into philosophical themes regarding Transforming and the balance between beast and machine, the problem was that it had to crap all over Beast Wars to do it. To say nothing of how poorly they handled the characters (Scott McNeil is still mad about how Silverbolt was dealt with) but it's a series in which its serialized storyline works against it. It hurts the pacing if you only get the story in 20 minute increments, and you have to wait a whole week for the next part.

It kept me coming back every week when I was a kid, and I like Silverbolt's dramatic shock of character evolution. Keeping him the same would have felt a bit static for his growth. Sure, there was plenty of room for improvement, but what we got was cool to me.

Silverbolt, in Beast Wars, was the archetype of the white knight, almost to the point of parody, and that's what made him fun, that's what made him such a great character. Then they changed him into this mopey, whiny character, almost a parody of the black knight, but they never went over-the-top with it, they played it straight, and that's what ruined it. he was no longer fun, just emo.

Also Rattrap.

[Sabrblade]

Silverbolt, in Beast Wars, was the archetype of the white knight, almost to the point of parody, and that's what made him fun, that's what made him such a great character. Then they changed him into this mopey, whiny character, almost a parody of the black knight, but they never went over-the-top with it, they played it straight, and that's what ruined it. he was no longer fun, just emo.

I know this. but I liked that the parody white knight had his eyes opened to the realities of war and villainy, experiencing first hand (and frighteningly enjoying) the sadistic nature of that which he despised. Being Jetstorm changed him for the worse, and it was interesting seeing him try to make amends for his past sins while being eaten up inside by guilt. He was put in a tight position and had to overcome his inner demons, which I felt was an interesting take on the character.

Also Rattrap.

I'm mixed on him. On one hand, he was made more cowardly, less sarcastic, not as fun, and got a lousy robot design. On the other hand, his lack of weaponry gave him an opportunity to explore a new career path that he otherwise wouldn't have willingly taken due to it being outside his comfort zone. By removing his weapons, he had think less with his guns and more with his head, becoming the team's tech expert and seemingly following in the footsteps of his best friend Rhinox. In a way, Rattrap grew to carry on Rhinox's legacy whether he knew this or not, and I think that's cool.

[PrymeStriker]

On one hand, he was made more cowardly, less sarcastic, not as fun, and got an epic robot design.

Fixed.

Seriously, I liked his robot design.