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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:06 pm

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Shadowman wrote:So basically, you problem isn't that you don't think the creator's word counts as canon, you think non-canon works count as canon.
Everything official is canon.

Shadowman wrote:See, the funny thing about the Covenant of Primus and the Allspark Almanac? They can ignore that. Just because the Allspark Almanac says one thing or the Covenant of Primus says another, doesn't mean the writers are suddenly beholden to this.
While true, their personal beliefs have yet to be published in any official capacity, while the Almanacs and Covenant very much have been.

Plus, in the Covenant's case, both it and the Prime creators were beholden to the Binder of Revelation, meaning that what it says is what they each have to adhere to. What we need to find out is if the Binder states whether Alpha Trion is still alive or not by the time of Prime.

Shadowman wrote:Michael Bay ignores all of the extra comics and such for the movies, the same applies here.
In that continuity's case, the comics work around the movies to make the continuity work with adherence to the films' events. Likewise, the Almanac's adhered to the Animated cartoon, while the Covenant adhered to the Binder of Revelation (which the Prime cartoon also had to adhere to). None of them, however, had to adhere to unpublished words that have yet to exist in any of these fictional realities.

Shadowman wrote:Fun fact, if I wrote a book, then gave out some fun facts at a con or something that weren't explicitly stated in the book, then some jackass came along and wrote a book completely contradicting me, I'd likely punch him in the face.
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Shadowman wrote:He probably could have. He had an entire pre-programmed conversation with Optimus, after all. Oh, and that whole thing about the Covenant of Primus being able to read and alter the future.
The book can, but not Alpha Trion. He can't read or write in any of the future parts. He only has access to the parts of the past and present. The "Earthfall" chapter is written by him from either his perspective or from the reports of others that he himself has personally cited. Unless he's somehow able to still write about all this while being dead, he'd have to still be alive.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:45 pm

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:48 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:He can't read or write in any of the future parts.


He can and has.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:24 am

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As long as creator's aren't confirming Starscream fate in any offical way, Starscream's fate is unkown. However: I think they should let him live only because it would be nice to have Starscream that had survived until next series.

So basically, you problem isn't that you don't think the creator's word counts as canon, you think non-canon works count as canon
Oh, belive me. Sabrblade is the last person that could be consider as the one who "think that non-canon canon here." Not in a place where so many claims "Optimus didn't gave his best in Mission City because of humans" thing.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:06 am

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I doubt Predaking would let him live, or if he did it would be as a tortured soul. I say let him be dead, get some fresh decpticon blood in here
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby YRQRM0 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:34 pm

It would be awesome to see Starscream be the main villain. Surely he's full of confidence as far as his ability to take on Bumblebee as a leader.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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YRQRM0 wrote:It would be awesome to see Starscream be the main villain.


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TulioDude » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:11 pm

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I know this and old topic but I still wanna talk about it:
Can we agree that Vehicons are not drones?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:46 pm

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TulioDude wrote:I know this and old topic but I still wanna talk about it:
Can we agree that Vehicons are not drones?
Starscream does plainly refer to them as "drones" in episode 2, but they do seem have at least some sort of individual intelligence.

At SDCC 2013, there was a question asked at the Hasbro: Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Panel, in which the person asking the question wanted to know if the Vehicons were drones or individuals. Back when I was trying to do my own coverage of this event from afar (and covering an event I wasn't even able to attend was a nightmare, let me tell you #-o), this is the answer I gathered from as much accumulated information as I could get from those who did attend:
Q: Are the Vehicons drones or individuals?
A: A little bit of both. They are clones. They tried to suggest this in the show, but were probably too subtle on the matter. When Starscream went into a lab and found the protoforms, the faceplates of these protoforms were similar to the Vehicons, as a suggestion on the Vehicons' origins. But the treatment of the Vehicons has evolved over the course of the show to where they could be seen as both.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:56 pm

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TulioDude wrote:I know this and old topic but I still wanna talk about it:
Can we agree that Vehicons are not drones?


Dude, you want Transformers fans to agree on something? We can't even agree on what color Frenzy is!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby richardnja » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:28 pm

greetings

please forgive me if this is the wrong place for my question as i couldn't find the right one..

my question is "does anybody know if the 27th and final episode of season 2 "The Old Switch-Autobot" exists? i have not seen it anywhere

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TulioDude » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:43 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
TulioDude wrote:I know this and old topic but I still wanna talk about it:
Can we agree that Vehicons are not drones?


Dude, you want Transformers fans to agree on something? We can't even agree on what color Frenzy is!


Maybe there is still hope for the fandom. :D

Sabrblade wrote:Starscream does plainly refer to them as "drones" in episode 2, but they do seem have at least some sort of individual intelligence.

At SDCC 2013, there was a question asked at the Hasbro: Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Panel, in which the person asking the question wanted to know if the Vehicons were drones or individuals. Back when I was trying to do my own coverage of this event from afar (and covering an event I wasn't even able to attend was a nightmare, let me tell you #-o), this is the answer I gathered from as much accumulated information as I could get from those who did attend:
Q: Are the Vehicons drones or individuals?
A: A little bit of both. They are clones. They tried to suggest this in the show, but were probably too subtle on the matter. When Starscream went into a lab and found the protoforms, the faceplates of these protoforms were similar to the Vehicons, as a suggestion on the Vehicons' origins. But the treatment of the Vehicons has evolved over the course of the show to where they could be seen as both.


Interesing,I wasn't aware of that.I was basing my on view only on the show.Watching it I don't get the impression that they are drones.I could see how the clone thing could work but like the guy said,its isn't something that they developed much.It wouldn't be first time Transformers had a bunch of similar guys.

Oh,and in episode 2,Idon't remenber very well,Starscream says to Megatron that the drones have been mining all day and night,right?I have always asumed he was talking about the Energon Dirllers.We did see them driving around on their own,didn't we?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:05 pm

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TulioDude wrote:Oh,and in episode 2,Idon't remenber very well,Starscream says to Megatron that the drones have been mining all day and night,right?I have always asumed he was talking about the Energon Dirllers.We did see them driving around on their own,didn't we?
Nope. Those drills were person-operated rather than self-automated. ;)

I guess the Vehicons started out like the Beast Machines Vehicons in concept, but then evolved over time to depict them as individuals who all look the same. And with the protoforms Starscream found having Vehicon visors on them as a means to hint at the Vehicons' origins, I guess we can call them "mass-produced robots from the same assembly line with some semblance of their own being."

I think the best comparison we can make to them would be the Clone Troopers from Star Wars. As seen in the Prequel Trilogy and The Clone Wars cartoon, all of them are mass productions of the same person mold with their created for drone-like services, but still given enough individuality to be their own persons, regardless of their cannon fodder existence.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:07 pm

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richardnja wrote:greetings

please forgive me if this is the wrong place for my question as i couldn't find the right one..

my question is "does anybody know if the 27th and final episode of season 2 "The Old Switch-Autobot" exists? i have not seen it anywhere

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:21 am

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I just wonder how they gonna solve Optimus Prime's and Megatron's return in this series. I quess both Predacon's Rising and Age of Extinction proved that Hasbro don't let anybody to create a movie or animated series without two most iconic characters. As much as I loved to see new Decepticon Overlord. I don't belive that there won't be Megatron in new series. I wonder how they solve this problem. The Same is with Optimus' it's already confirmed that he will appear as a ghost. But I don't think this will be the only way he will return.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:24 am

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Megatron could return as a name in the same way as with what happened in Beast Wars. Someone else takes the name :) Prime, I think he'll just be a ghost till the series ender. It would be fantastic though if Prime and Megs were gone for good in the Aligned verse.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:12 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:I quess both Predacon's Rising and Age of Extinction proved that Hasbro don't let anybody to create a movie or animated series without two most iconic characters.


And they certainly wouldn't make a movie where one is killed off and replaced, and the other is totally rebuilt, then make an entire season of the cartoon with these new characters.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:46 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:I quess both Predacon's Rising and Age of Extinction proved that Hasbro don't let anybody to create a movie or animated series without two most iconic characters.


And they certainly wouldn't make a movie where one is killed off and replaced, and the other is totally rebuilt, then make an entire season of the cartoon with these new characters.
Preeeeetty sure he meant "nowadays" since 1986 Hasbro was of a different mindest than today's Hasbro.

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TurboMMaster wrote:I just wonder how they gonna solve Optimus Prime's and Megatron's return in this series. I quess both Predacon's Rising and Age of Extinction proved that Hasbro don't let anybody to create a movie or animated series without two most iconic characters. As much as I loved to see new Decepticon Overlord. I don't belive that there won't be Megatron in new series. I wonder how they solve this problem. The Same is with Optimus' it's already confirmed that he will appear as a ghost. But I don't think this will be the only way he will return.
In recent times, Hasbro seems to be less strict about having to keep Megatron in the spotlight of evil, allowing current fiction to do with him as they please, even at the cost of his being the main bad guy. DOTM was allowed to killed him off and AOE replaced him with Galvatron (though it's the same guy, he was allowed to finally not be named "Megatron"). TF: Prime was allowed to let him quit evil and disband the Decepticons. And IDW was allowed to let him even become an Autobot, of all things.

I get the feeling that whoever's gonna be leading the new Decepticons on Earth in RID, it might be someone who isn't Megatron. And if Megatron does show up in this show, he may very well still be non-evil.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:41 am

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TurboMMaster wrote:I quess both Predacon's Rising and Age of Extinction proved that Hasbro don't let anybody to create a movie or animated series without two most iconic characters.


And they certainly wouldn't make a movie where one is killed off and replaced, and the other is totally rebuilt, then make an entire season of the cartoon with these new characters.
That was back in 80's, where franchise was still in forming. Also, Optimus finally returned, and Galvatron is the same guy.

Sabrblade wrote:DOTM was allowed to killed him off and AOE replaced him with Galvatron (though it's the same guy, he was allowed to finally not be named "Megatron").
Well, technically, he wasn't killed off since it is estabilished, that he survived and was directing KSI all along. About renaming himself - it seems to be kinda forced in the movie.

Sabrblade wrote:In recent times, Hasbro seems to be less strict about having to keep Megatron in the spotlight of evil, allowing current fiction to do with him as they please, even at the cost of his being the main bad guy.
But still, Megatron is must in for any series. Like I said few times before, he (like Optimus) is not only a character, it is a trademark. Plus after PR's Megatron new form was revealed, there was a lot of comments about how people wants Unicron Megatron's toy.

I belive that Megatron will have at least a few cameos in new series. Also I can see Megatron beign cloned by new bad guys or something like this.
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Transformers: Prime Beast Hunters and Polygon Studios Gain Two Daytime Emmy Awards

Postby Va'al » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:32 am

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This just in via the Asahi Shimbun and their translation team: Polygon Pictures, the CG studios behind Transformers Prime, Beast Hunters and the upcoming Robots in Disguise series, were awarded four Daytime Emmys during last night's 2014 ceremony, two of which robot-related! Check out below for more information, and head here for the whole story.

Meanwhile, "Transformers Prime Beast Hunters" won in two categories.

Yasuhiro Motoda was given the Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation (Character Animator), with Jose Lopez honored with the Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation (Character Design).

The full-CG "Transformers" animated series is based on the "Transformers" robot toy line, which marks its 30th anniversary this year. The previous season, "Transformers Prime Beast Hunters" was named the Outstanding Special Class Animated Program at the 39th Daytime Emmys.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:26 pm

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Don't celebrate just yet, guys. The article might be misinformed. Looking into this to see what's up.
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