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Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:45 am

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Archanubis » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:13 pm

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Given the preview, "Predaking" must be fricking HUGE!!! Big enough to swallow an Insecticon in one bite.

The 'bots are going to need the Dinobots big time! :grin:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby nikkinavarro » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:32 pm

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That episode was EPIC!!!
I loved every bit
Also it was funny too
I loved the part where Smokescreen escaped the ship and when Starscream takes over the base
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby WiEGoP » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:52 pm

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When Megatron is just tossing guys off the ship, left and right, the only thing I could think was...were those Jet Vehicons, or just regular Vehicons...

Cue poor poor Steve, transforming to car mode, and falling to explosive firey death!

And is it just me, or are the animators having way too much fun showing off the massive animation budget they've collected. I mean, things have exploded at base before, but we couldn't have watched it rain INSIDE in SLOW MOTION before.

And the show continues the longstanding TFP tradition of desecrating corpses for fun and profit! We've had no less than three separate ghoulish acts, by three completely independent villains, in five episodes.

It would be really awkward being the Vehicon who walks into the room where the REST of Knockout is. Even more awkward if it's his quarters...
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:54 pm

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Whoa, that was incredible. The ending of the episode was expected yet unexpected. I knew Starscream would offer his Omega Key, but I didn't expect all four! The Autobots are screwed now.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Cipher » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:01 pm

I can't decide if it's cute or sad that Prime feels it has to explain logical gaffes many, many episodes after they first occur (Fowler's lack of a flight suit, how the Phase-Shifter works with the ground, etc).

Anyway, a fun episode. Things happened. It bothers the hell out of me that Starscream brought all four keys with him onto the warship, though. He (or the writers) seems to have misunderstood the concept of "leverage." Megatron could kill him immediately and take all four keys, and honestly, the fact that he's not going to is just as glaring.

Also, Starscream talking/walking while being super fast, as cool as it was, really pushes suspension of disbelief. As in, it makes absolutely no sense. It almost seems like those scenes were written for that chrono-Energon Melching talked about in that recent interview.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:58 pm

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Episode 49 -

Now that we know from NYCC that the show's creators decided to change things into a serialized story format, the episode recaps without the "To be continued" screens make sense.

so, the final key is literally inside Smokescreen's chassis. Not just the key's power, but the whole physical object. Ouch.

So, back when Smokescreen blacked out during the Decepticon taking of the Hall of Records, Alpha Trion had no more time to launch the final key, and so knocked out Smokescreen, put the key inside him, and didn't tell Smoke so he wouldn't know where the last key was should he have been captured. Not to mention that a mobile key wouldn't have coordinates to provide to anyone, so A3 put a clue into the database instead.

So, that explains why the Phase Shifter doesn't make one fall through the floor. It's programmed with proper grounding.

Second use of the term "Emperor of Destruction" in an American Transformers cartoon!

The entire first Starscream scene was shown at yesterday's NYCC Transformers panel.

Optimus is unfamiliar with the lore of the Omega Keys.

Megatron used a Cortical Psychic Patch on Smokescreen to get the Omega Key info.

Even when stuck in a wall, Knock Out is ever an entertaining character.

Go Smokescreen!

The Jet Vehicons are referred to as "Flyers". First "Troopers" and now this. It's like they absolutely refuse to ever say the word "Vehicon" in this show.

BOOM! Megatron's in on the action too!

What the-?!! Smokescreen went through the ground?

LOL! Poor car Vehicon.

Wait, so Megatron's new arm doesn't affect his transformation. The pinkness doesn't even show up in his altmode. Guess they just didn't feel like making adjustments to his space jet mode's CG model.

Oh, so the bit of ground Smokescren went through was an elevated plateau. Eh, I'll let it slide this time. But hey better not get too crazy with making loopholes to the Phase Shifter's laws of physics.

DUDE! Starscream is a conniving dastard in this one! Using his clone's body as a decoy while he sneaks into the Autobot's base... GENIUS!

Business before pleasure, eh Screamer?

Now Starscream is the keymaster.

*GASP* FFFFFFFFFFFINALLY!!!! OPTIMUS GOT FURIOUSLY ANGRY AND YELLED OUT IN FRUSTRATION!!! A SIGN OF EMOTION!!! A SIGN OF EMOTION!!!!

And now he's back to pontificating. >_<

LOL at Knock Out, still stuck in the wall.

O hai, Dreadwing, where have you BEEN during all this?!

Pick a key, any key.

GREAT episode! Knock Out, Smokescreen, Starscream, Megatron, even Optimus for his spat of frustration, all got some great moments and characterization in this. and jus twhen things are looking up for the Autobots, it's Starscream who steals both the keys and the show itself for this episode. Smoke may have had his spotlight at first, but Screamer one-upped him in great performances this time around. Can't wait for more.

Next week, Starscream wants back in with the Cons and Megatron thinks he's nuts, to which Starscream replies, "Yeah, I was!"
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:03 pm

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Cipher wrote:I can't decide if it's cute or sad that Prime feels it has to explain logical gaffes many, many episodes after they first occur (Fowler's lack of a flight suit, how the Phase-Shifter works with the ground, etc).
My guess is that they at first don't feel like there is any real reason to explain them, and only do so in some episodes later after the fandom makes enough of a fuss about the laws of physics and such. ;)

BeastProwl wrote:I love how Optimus fooled Starscream with his slomo talk. :lol:
Didn't look like he was fooling him to me. Looked more like the last of the Red Energon was just beginning to wear off before it was all gone right there after. Starscream would have heard his dialogue stretched out like so going in faster than normal speed.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:13 pm

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Ah yes, Optimus' yell was entertaining. :D

The Vehicon blowing up. Many laughs there. :lol:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Bubbah » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:13 pm

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Lol that was awesome! Loved the episode and that falling Vehicon ... Hilarious! So glad they showed him go pop, while still screaming haha. Smokescreen once again fails to disappoint.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:39 pm

- Megatron's got serious butterfingers.
- His transformation is no different despite the change of arms (and notable loss of cannon)
- Vehicon toss still one of my favorite TF scenes! :lol:
- The Vehicons just fell apart like a house of cards. I know they got hit hard, but still...
- I kinda disappointed Smokescreen didn't fall straight on thru to Unicron.
- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing, I guess? Meh. Also perplexed as to how a ground bridge would help.
- Slow-motion perspective is kinda weird.
- With how often Airachnid gets referenced I'm expecting something to happen with her.
- Starscream is great, like he always is, but he actually succeeds with something!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:02 am

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Cipher wrote:I can't decide if it's cute or sad that Prime feels it has to explain logical gaffes many, many episodes after they first occur (Fowler's lack of a flight suit, how the Phase-Shifter works with the ground, etc).


To be fair, the explanations are written before anyone has a chance to complain.

Best part of the episode: Not Steve transforming mid-air to show Megatron threw the wrong flavor of Vehicon, it's Steve hitting the ground a couple minutes later, after you're probably not thinking about it anymore.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:02 am

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INSIDE JOB:

The key inside Smokey, Then 5 more: Alpha Trion on Smokey, Smoke in the ship, Starscream in the base, Knockout in the wall and the cortical patch. One more failed job with Starscreams' null and void request for an operation to replace his T-Cog (which he might end up in the position to request from the Deceps shortly. Might be another inside job in the mid term if Scream tries to topple Dreadwing.

Camera work was very good.I felt as if I was watching the different departments working for each other and I REALLY liked that. Respect.

Megs is imposing with his new forearm playing the role of silent reminder; Smoke is counterparting that with action, Starscream with conniving. Good polarity but still textbook.

The falling Vehicon: an oldie, reformatted into TF storytelling language, but a goodie. I would personally be interested to see more of this type of humor from Megz- throwing folks into FUBAR and whatnot. I wonder why he didn't immediately give chase himself?

I'm unappreciative of the fact that Smokescreen is overshadowing the other Autobots. I understand that he was cut off from them in this episode but his flaws are in place tho not being used so much except as a story driver.

Regarding the G1 rewrite:
I like what EVERYBODY said in response, but I will continue to observe the designation of 'Generation one' as a group in this timeline as an official rehashing of who and what G1 are. As such I will continue to observe each reintroduced G1 character as something that is being treated with a degree of care, consideration and so on. Where, when and how (and for how long) each one appears affects each other character in my book. Either way, this continuity was put together partly so that all fans of different eras can have common footing. I see and hear what you are all saying but haven't been convinced yet to completely adopt one of your views.

RE: Smokescreen as Dinobot:
Here, your responses were even more insightful, but I see a 'code of Hero' in this Smokescreen.It's his OWN code of hero, which he has to learn to decipher properly in the school of Hard Knocks, as Arcee points out to him in said episode, or get jumped by the harsh reality of it in the end.
Like Dinobot, Smokescreen is in danger of finding out at the last minute that his destiny is not how he imagines it, but how he has heard about it from those with similar destinies;
His variation right now is that he will become Smokescreen the Great.The 'choice of Dinobot' he doesn't see is simple: Die for the Autobot cause, or survive to die next time. Also remember that they will NOT rewrite something obviously (eg, the relics are about as sentient as Minicons, it seems, but are not Minicons-there will not be an obvious Dinobot or Cheetor or Waspinator). Characters are tweaked.To me, especially in the 'Hard Knocks' episode, Dinobots' story is right there inside of Smokescreens' story. I didn't say it has to turn out the same, or can't shift with events.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:08 am

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Shadowman wrote:Best part of the episode: Not Steve transforming mid-air to show Megatron threw the wrong flavor of Vehicon, it's Steve hitting the ground a couple minutes later, after you're probably not thinking about it anymore.


Seconded. And you just know it must be Steve.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:05 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Regarding the G1 rewrite:
I like what EVERYBODY said in response, but I will continue to observe the designation of 'Generation one' as a group in this timeline as an official rehashing of who and what G1 are.


What on Earth? It's not. :roll:

I see and hear what you are all saying but haven't been convinced yet to completely adopt one of your views.


Okay. Look. :BANG_HEAD:

Give me at least 3 valid reasons we should consider Prime, or the Aligned continuity itself, a rewrite of G1, aside from a bucket-full of homages. :-|
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:49 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:One more failed job with Starscreams' null and void request for an operation to replace his T-Cog


Failed? Were you paying attention? That was a success. His plan wasn't to get the operation from the Autobots, his plan was to get the Autobots out of the base so he can steal the other Keys.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Regarding the G1 rewrite:
I like what EVERYBODY said in response, but I will continue to observe the designation of 'Generation one' as a group in this timeline as an official rehashing of who and what G1 are.


Um, no. Big no. Hasbro has officially declared Aligned a totally new universe, separate from G1. In fact, they've gone on record saying Aligned is even more detached from G1 than any other universe.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:I see and hear what you are all saying but haven't been convinced yet to completely adopt one of your views.


Hasbro said so. That's about as official as it gets.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:RE: Smokescreen as Dinobot:
Here, your responses were even more insightful, but I see a 'code of Hero' in this Smokescreen.It's his OWN code of hero, which he has to learn to decipher properly in the school of Hard Knocks, as Arcee points out to him in said episode, or get jumped by the harsh reality of it in the end.
Like Dinobot, Smokescreen is in danger of finding out at the last minute that his destiny is not how he imagines it, but how he has heard about it from those with similar destinies;
His variation right now is that he will become Smokescreen the Great.The 'choice of Dinobot' he doesn't see is simple: Die for the Autobot cause, or survive to die next time.


Brash young soldier who desperately wants to be the hero of the story is not Dinobot's schtick.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:(eg, the relics are about as sentient as Minicons, it seems, but are not Minicons


Dude, what? When have any of the relics shown sentience?

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Dinobots' story is right there inside of Smokescreens' story[/b]. I didn't say it has to turn out the same, or can't shift with events.


Dinobot's story was about an uncertainty if he was fighting for the right cause, if his code of honor was really compatible with his Predacon instincts or Maximal alignment. Dinobot's story is absolutely nothing like Smokescreen's, who is about certainty that he is a hero destined for greatness. I'm starting to think you've never even seen Beast Wars. Hell, I'm not sure you've even seen Prime.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:26 am

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:34 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Regarding the G1 rewrite:
I like what EVERYBODY said in response, but I will continue to observe the designation of 'Generation one' as a group in this timeline as an official rehashing of who and what G1 are.


What on Earth? It's not. :roll:

I see and hear what you are all saying but haven't been convinced yet to completely adopt one of your views.


Okay. Look. :BANG_HEAD:

Give me at least 3 valid reasons we should consider Prime, or the Aligned continuity itself, a rewrite of G1, aside from a bucket-full of homages. :-|


The rewrite of G1 is INSIDE Prime, not PRIME inside of a rewrite of G1.I believe you're reading me wrong.
From the second there is a group named Generation one INSIDE one single, official ongoing continuity, that is an official rewrite of the particular group called Generation one.

Don't ask for 3 reasons- there is only one: This (the married continuity family timeline) is the official moving forward of everything put in it. Whatever is not in the timeline is from a different show from a different era that has to be looked up seperately. Whatever is in this timeline is part of the whole gamut that is being picked up and carried forward on a platform intended to bring in any and all new fans on stable footing with existing fans from different eras, and it's all official. Generation One is now a specific group within this overall timeframe with a time and date of birth, an identity,
and a backstory (and a future) within this timeline. It is therefore the official rewrite of Generation one.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:55 am

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Where is said Generation One in Prime?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Bubbah » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:33 pm

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Yeah I'm sorry but I don't see any comparisons with Dinobot and Smokescreen even being close. If those guys are going to be compared to anyone it should be Smokescreen is similar to Cheetor and Dinobot is similar to Dreadwing.

And where is the G1/Prime existing together coming from?! Those are 2 entirely seperate eras and (other than some "fan wank" nods) do not exist together. Hasbro has stated over and over again that the Aligned Continuity is NOT a rework of G1 and has nothing to do with it. Prime is the cartoon version of the Aligned universe, and therefore any and all similarities are coincidence or fan nods, not because it's relating to G1. I'm actually still a little surprised this debate exists from time to time, considering how many time Hasbro has said Prime is NOT related to G1.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby YRQRM0 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:31 pm

I don't even know what a "rewrite of G1" is supposed to mean. I'm pretty sure we all think the same thing about Prime having G1 homages and stuff, we just have different definitions for "rewrite" or "continuity".

Anyways, this was an awesome episode. I love when Starscream actually has power, reminds me a lot of the Unicron trilogy. The slomo sequence was also awesome.

I was dying for Smokescreen to fall into Unicron, and just be like "what?", but that's fine. I loved Megatron leaving Knock Out in the wall, and the use of the chordical psychic patch. This season has yet to disappoint, I hope the cliffhanger doesn't kill me.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:18 pm

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Hey G1 Smoketreader, if you say G1 is in this timeline, which "G1" are you referring to? As, there's at least four different ones out there. ;)

For the record, this new timeline is NOT a means to combine every existing piece of Transformers fiction from 1984-today into one timeline, as some confusingly think it is.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:57 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:The rewrite of G1 is INSIDE Prime, not PRIME inside of a rewrite of G1.I believe you're reading me wrong.
From the second there is a group named Generation one INSIDE one single, official ongoing continuity, that is an official rewrite of the particular group called Generation one.


What does that even mean? That makes absolutely no sense, at all. Hasbro said Aligned is a new continuity, not a rewrite of G1...or a new series, and the rewrite of G1 is inside the series...or the series--What are you talking about?!

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Don't ask for 3 reasons- there is only one: This (the married continuity family timeline) is the official moving forward of everything put in it.


I'm starting to think you're just ignoring us so you can pretend your fan continuity is actually official. Hasbro never once said G1 was related to Aligned, at all. You're just assuming things that have been conclusively proven wrong, you just don't want to listen.

Sabrblade wrote:For the record, this new timeline is NOT a means to combine every existing piece of Transformers fiction from 1984-today into one timeline, as some confusingly think it is.


Trying to combine G1 with the Unicron Trilogy with Animated with the Movies with Aligned just makes my head hurt.
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