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Yeah I'm sorry but I don't see any comparisons with Dinobot and Smokescreen even being close. If those guys are going to be compared to anyone it should be Smokescreen is similar to Cheetor and Dinobot is similar to Dreadwing.

And where is the G1/Prime existing together coming from?! Those are 2 entirely seperate eras and (other than some "fan wank" nods) do not exist together. Hasbro has stated over and over again that the Aligned Continuity is NOT a rework of G1 and has nothing to do with it. Prime is the cartoon version of the Aligned universe, and therefore any and all similarities are coincidence or fan nods, not because it's relating to G1. I'm actually still a little surprised this debate exists from time to time, considering how many time Hasbro has said Prime is NOT related to G1.

I don't even know what a "rewrite of G1" is supposed to mean. I'm pretty sure we all think the same thing about Prime having G1 homages and stuff, we just have different definitions for "rewrite" or "continuity".

Anyways, this was an awesome episode. I love when Starscream actually has power, reminds me a lot of the Unicron trilogy. The slomo sequence was also awesome.

I was dying for Smokescreen to fall into Unicron, and just be like "what?", but that's fine. I loved Megatron leaving Knock Out in the wall, and the use of the chordical psychic patch. This season has yet to disappoint, I hope the cliffhanger doesn't kill me.

Hey G1 Smoketreader, if you say G1 is in this timeline, which "G1" are you referring to? As, there's at least four different ones out there.

For the record, this new timeline is NOT a means to combine every existing piece of Transformers fiction from 1984-today into one timeline, as some confusingly think it is.

G1 Smoketreader wrote:The rewrite of G1 is INSIDE Prime, not PRIME inside of a rewrite of G1.I believe you're reading me wrong.
From the second there is a group named Generation one INSIDE one single, official ongoing continuity, that is an official rewrite of the particular group called Generation one.

What does that even mean? That makes absolutely no sense, at all. Hasbro said Aligned is a new continuity, not a rewrite of G1...or a new series, and the rewrite of G1 is inside the series...or the series--What are you talking about?!

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Don't ask for 3 reasons- there is only one: This (the married continuity family timeline) is the official moving forward of everything put in it.

I'm starting to think you're just ignoring us so you can pretend your fan continuity is actually official. Hasbro never once said G1 was related to Aligned, at all. You're just assuming things that have been conclusively proven wrong, you just don't want to listen.

Sabrblade wrote:For the record, this new timeline is NOT a means to combine every existing piece of Transformers fiction from 1984-today into one timeline, as some confusingly think it is.

Trying to combine G1 with the Unicron Trilogy with Animated with the Movies with Aligned just makes my head hurt.

Shadowman wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote:The rewrite of G1 is INSIDE Prime, not PRIME inside of a rewrite of G1.I believe you're reading me wrong.
From the second there is a group named Generation one INSIDE one single, official ongoing continuity, that is an official rewrite of the particular group called Generation one.

What does that even mean? That makes absolutely no sense, at all. Hasbro said Aligned is a new continuity, not a rewrite of G1...or a new series, and the rewrite of G1 is inside the series...or the series--What are you talking about?!

I can only guess that he thinks of "Prime" as the whole continuity (which he refers to as a "series") instead of just the cartoon. And that becuase WFC/FOC are part of that continuity, he might be thinking G1 is too due to the misnomer of those games being G1 prequels.

Shadowman wrote:

G1 Smoketreader wrote:Don't ask for 3 reasons- there is only one: This (the married continuity family timeline) is the official moving forward of everything put in it.

I'm starting to think you're just ignoring us so you can pretend your fan continuity is actually official. Hasbro never once said G1 was related to Aligned, at all. You're just assuming things that have been conclusively proven wrong, you just don't want to listen.

My guess about this is that he might think that this new timeline is a means tocombine all previous series into one, which is why I said what you quoted below.

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:For the record, this new timeline is NOT a means to combine every existing piece of Transformers fiction from 1984-today into one timeline, as some confusingly think it is.

Trying to combine G1 with the Unicron Trilogy with Animated with the Movies with Aligned just makes my head hurt.

Short answer: Don't.

I know someone who is convinced that everything (or at least, everything that matters to him) is part of one single timeline and has been so since 1984. He means well, but there's ill sense convincing him otherwise.

...Unless Hasbro ever makes a mainstream cartoon that outright acknowledges the multiverse to a similar extent to the Fun Pub comics. Example: An episode of Prime in which the Autobots explicitly gaze into windows of other worlds and dimensions that all contain imagery from previous cartoons and movies.

Sabrblade wrote:...Unless Hasbro ever makes a mainstream cartoon that outright acknowledges the multiverse to a similar extent to the Fun Pub comics. Example: An episode of Prime in which the Autobots explicitly gaze into windows of other worlds and dimensions that all contain imagery from previous cartoons and movies.

haha ... Now my head is starting to hurt! That would be as bad as trying have all of the Marvel Universe (not the old school TF series but the Avengers, Xmen, Spiderman, etc) make sense. Beast Wars did good with working with G1, but I can only imagine the nightmare that would take place trying to tie in everything over the last 30 years together.

Why can't we all just agree that Hasbro wanted to start fresh, and in writing the story of the Transformers, they drew from elements of previously-existing continuities, so that it would be familiar and resonate but at the same time new and different?

Bubbah wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:...Unless Hasbro ever makes a mainstream cartoon that outright acknowledges the multiverse to a similar extent to the Fun Pub comics. Example: An episode of Prime in which the Autobots explicitly gaze into windows of other worlds and dimensions that all contain imagery from previous cartoons and movies.

haha ... Now my head is starting to hurt! That would be as bad as trying have all of the Marvel Universe (not the old school TF series but the Avengers, Xmen, Spiderman, etc) make sense. Beast Wars did good with working with G1, but I can only imagine the nightmare that would take place trying to tie in everything over the last 30 years together.

Um, no. That is not what I said. Keywords being "OTHER worlds and DIMENSIONS".

Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,

My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Burn wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,

My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

BeastProwl wrote:

Burn wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,

My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

He employed the Wile E Coyote factor.

Burn wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:

Burn wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,

My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

He employed the Wile E Coyote factor.

The phase shifter is just that smart.

I really like how useful and cool they made the phase shifter in this episode, here's hoping we'll see more of it along with the Apex armor, Dark Saber, Tox-n, and whatever else there was that I've forgotten already..

Sabrblade wrote:

Bubbah wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:...Unless Hasbro ever makes a mainstream cartoon that outright acknowledges the multiverse to a similar extent to the Fun Pub comics. Example: An episode of Prime in which the Autobots explicitly gaze into windows of other worlds and dimensions that all contain imagery from previous cartoons and movies.

haha ... Now my head is starting to hurt! That would be as bad as trying have all of the Marvel Universe (not the old school TF series but the Avengers, Xmen, Spiderman, etc) make sense. Beast Wars did good with working with G1, but I can only imagine the nightmare that would take place trying to tie in everything over the last 30 years together.

Um, no. That is not what I said. Keywords being "OTHER worlds and DIMENSIONS".

Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate

Oy. Prime is not a rewrite of G1. Why? Hasbro said so. I don't need any bullcrap on how official that is, because Prime, and this whole Aligned continuity, is their child. This isn't a pissy case of FIRRIB.

BeastProwl wrote:

Burn wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:- Not sure how he "landed." Phasing thru solid rock softens the landing,

My take ... Knockout demonstrating the Phase Shifter points out that it can detect "floor". So no doubt once he started phasing through rock it detected a "floor" and he was able to stop.

I'm going to blame the speed of his descent for him not stopping above ground.

Through rock or no, wouldn't said speed make him a pancake anyway?

Only if he wasn't wearing a wristband that allows him to pass through solid surfaces...

Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate

but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate

but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.

Infinite Crisis on Infinite Cybertrons.

Bubbah wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate

but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.

Too late. G1 Cliffjumper ended up in the Shatter Glass universe, which is a big part of that story's plot. Unicron, as well as Primus, and all of the Original 13 are also known dimension hoppers, and unlike, say, Optimus Prime, they are always the same character no matter what series they've appeared in. In fact, that's Nexus Prime's entire shtick, he's a combiner, but his individual components are made up of characters from different universes.

Bubbah wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bubbah wrote:Oh I know, but even with other dimensions, etc it can still get extremely confusing. So I really hope they don't ever go that route. I'm perfectly content on them keeping everything seperate

but thta's exactly how everything IS separate: Other realities. If they weren't all separate, everything would be in one world, which is what we don't want.

Right, which is fine. What I'm hoping never happens is them trying to join them together by having characters travel into the other realities and doing crossovers.

I never said or meant to imply that. All I said was them "looking" at other worlds and simply acknowledging their existence as such.

Besides, the comics have already done those kinds of dimension-hopping stories. Some are cool and some are not. I just think that a cartoon giving some kind of recognition to the multiverse (while not necessarily with anyone traversing the dimensions but simply looking at them) would be cool.

Once again, I'm a bit late due to a busy weekend.
*The Omega Key is literally inside Smokescreen. That's an interesting resolution, I was thinking he was actually built as the key. But uh....wouldn't that mess with his internal workings? If you stuck a ruler inside a person's abdomen, I'm assuming that would cause some health concerns? Am I overthinking this?
*Knock Out starts acting like he's going to dissect Smokescreen. BRUTAL. Then he chuckles and turns on the phase shifter, and pulls the key out. Still pretty gruesome-looking.
*Smokescreen grabs the Phase Shifter to phase his way out of the restraints, snatches it off Knock Out, grabs the key, and makes a chase. Fancy. Ultimately he grabs the other key and Knock Out gets stuck in the wall like Han Solo in frozen carbonite. Except conscious. So.....did the wall where his torso is just disappear? Because if it's still there, it should bisect him and you'd have a Knock Out in several pieces. Oh well, can't go QUITE that far with a kids' show.
*Meanwhile, Starscream sets his plan in motion. He uses the last of the red energon and his doppelganger to lure out the Autobots, sneak in their Groundbridge, and find and steal the Omega Keys. FANTASTIC and GORGEOUS animation in this segment. When he triggers the emergency sprinklers, and is running around in suspended water, WOW. Unfortunately his speed boost wears off just as he gets out. And here I'm thinking he should have killed Arcee and everybody inside FIRST instead of risking discovery like he did and missing his chance. But we like our Autobots better alive. Did anybody catch what Optimus was saying in super-slow motion there?
*Starscream offers the keys to Megatron. How did he get aboard? Did he replace his T-Cog on his own after all? Did he groundbridge aboard when it's been previously established that he has no idea where it is at a given time? I agree with the previous person about leverage. Prove you have the keys, but don't bring them with you or Megatron will just be tempted to kill you and take them for himself.

*Megatron throwing Vehicons: Poor Steve. That was a funny bit, though. And a brick joke when he landed.
*The idea of opening a groundbridge beneath Smokescreen is an interesting one. It would redirect his momentum to be parallel to the ground so he could ultimately roll to a stop or something. Given the limited space between the console and the bridge, I think he'd probably run into it and damage it, though. But that issue is averted when he's thrown off course and uses the phase shifter to magically phase through the ground. This suggests that the grounding is literally on one's feet, but then he should still get his feet stuck when the rest of him phases through.....SO MANY ISSUES. And assuming that wasn't an issue, why didn't he just fall through the Earth until he got to the very core of Unicron? If, somehow, being on a plateau was observable by the phase shifter, he should still have been smashed to pieces when he hit the actual "ground" level. Maybe solid objects act like liquid or something when you're phasing so he was able to decelerate safely? THERE ARE SO MANY PHYSICS QUESTIONS RAISED BY THIS OBJECT.

Yet I still love the show. How many episodes do we have left? 2?

That Bot wrote:Yet I still love the show. How many episodes do we have left? 2?

Patch, Regeneration, and Darkest Hour is what we have left. Three.

That Bot wrote:*The Omega Key is literally inside Smokescreen. That's an interesting resolution, I was thinking he was actually built as the key. But uh....wouldn't that mess with his internal workings? If you stuck a ruler inside a person's abdomen, I'm assuming that would cause some health concerns? Am I overthinking this?

Secret compartment, perhaps?

So secret even he didn't know about it.

That Bot wrote:And here I'm thinking he should have killed Arcee and everybody inside FIRST instead of risking discovery like he did and missing his chance.

Business before pleasure, I guess.

Plus, wasn't Arcee keeping her arm on the level to not only close it when told to, but to keep it open at first? He he killed her, the lever might have started falling on its own, thus closing the portal and leaving Starscream stuck inside the base.

That Bot wrote:*Starscream offers the keys to Megatron. How did he get aboard? Did he replace his T-Cog on his own after all? Did he groundbridge aboard when it's been previously established that he has no idea where it is at a given time?

That's only the Autobots who couldn't track the Nemesis. Starscream, however, could track the ship's movements with the Harbinger's equipment. And since he had access to a GroundBridge, he must have Bridge'd there.

Hmm. I'd love TFP Jazz & Perceptor. I hope the rumors hinted at NYCC are true about that.

Don't know about Perceptor, but Jazz better look like this: