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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:42 am

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I still have no idea what you're talking about. A lot of that just didn't fit together. I guess what you're saying is, you want...what, more G1 references? Characters closer to G1? What?

By the way, the "original" G1 (Which makes no sense, as that implies there were multiple first generations of the franchise) would have been everything that came before Generation 2, which was officially branded, and is why we call the original series G1. Incidentally, G1, G2, Beast Wars and Beast Machines are all part of the G1 continuity family. So, really, everything that came before RID sort of counts.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:47 am

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I...think I got the drift of what he's saying.

What I got out of it was: "Previous continuities were rushed, the creators were blinded with it, and didn't know what they could do with it. There's a new continuity that's supposed to be the basis of all Transformers projects for the next decade, so there is plenty of room in the Aligned family for the rushed elements of previous continuities to be retold."

If I'm translating that correctly. then I'll have to disagree with the beginning. Animated & Beast Wars were really good at keeping a story going without rushing it.

So, his point is rather redundant. Yes, the Aligned continuity family is taking elements from all continuities and aligning them, "rushing it" or not.

If this isn't what you meant, I'm still confused. :???:
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Red 50 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:13 pm

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Uh... What?

I read it, re-read it and checked it but I still don't understand what's all the rattle about.

And honestly, I'd prefer to keep it that way.

On with the business:
I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime. They could be an balancing factor against the Predacons.
Of course, it would be logical to assume that the presence of transformers is going to become a public knowledge. Kinda hard to cover up the events of "Darkest hour".

I would love to see Dinobots brawl out with Predacons.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:50 pm

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Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.


Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:26 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.


Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.


Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:04 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.


Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.


Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.


Yes, that's true. However, I meant their debut under the "Prime" label.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Red 50 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:11 am

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.


Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.


Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.


Yes, that's true. However, I meant their debut under the "Prime" label.


Well, I meant in the cartoon, but I'll blame myself for not being more specific in my original post. Still, thank you all for replying.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:20 pm

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Red 50 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Red 50 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned already or if it's even been confirmed or formally rejected, but I HOPE that the Dinobots would make their debut on TF: Prime.


Technically, they've made their debut in the Transformers: Prime Rage of the Dinobots comic series that bridges FoC to Prime, as well as season two to season three. As far as the cartoon goes, Gregg Berger has been teased as a VA on the show, and there was mention of a possibility of a Prime Voyager Grimlock. If we don't get a full roster of Dinobots, we can at least safely assume Grimlock will show up.


Technically they debuted in the DS version of War for Cybertron, but that might be splitting hairs a bit.


Yes, that's true. However, I meant their debut under the "Prime" label.


Well, I meant in the cartoon, but I'll blame myself for not being more specific in my original post. Still, thank you all for replying.


I know you meant the cartoon, which is why the entire second half of my post talks about that.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:17 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:I see.

I went back to check TF Wiki on Exodus. I was sure that I had read there that the group who escape on the Ark name themselves 'Generation one' because they are the first TFs who carry on the Cybertronian civilisation away from the umbra of the council of 13. It's not there.Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Any which way, it isn't now.

On those grounds I apologize wholeheartedly for wasting peoples' time and energy.
Well, there IS something called "Generation One" in Exodus, but it's ins't a group. Whilst it was being constructed in secret by Alpha Trion, the Ark was given the codename "Project Generation One". But afterwards, it never went by that name again, as it was a tentative alias given the project for its creation.

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All I can say to this is... well, they aren't going to be retelling the same old story of the 1980s fiction in a modern updated form since they've already gone very much contradicted many of the key aspects of that story.
Most notably, the bit about the Ark and Nemesis launching from Cybertron, crashing to Earth, and waking up the Bots and Cons after 4 millions years of slumber has pretty much been neutered by the events of Exodus, Exiles, and FOC. After the two ships launch from Cybertron (70 million years ago, rather than 4 million), they go through a space bridge portal (which did happen in any 1980s version of G1) and partake in a long planet-hopping journey eons before making it to Earth. They'll go to Earth eventually, just not right away.

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This morning, Transformers: Prime made its debut on the CW's Vortexx programming block and, as expected, there were indeed censorship edits done to it.

While watching the episode, "Darkness Rising, Part 1", I only noticed three edits (one of which I expect to happen in every episode):

  • The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impaling him but before he fell over was cut.
  • Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.
  • Additional commercial break transitional fades were added for more breaks (this one we can expect again).
There might have been more, smaller edits, but these were the ones I caught.




EDIT (April 23, 2013): Here's a revision of the above comparison based on a re-watch of the episodes side-by-side with the uncut versions.

1. After Starscream drives his fingers into Cliffjumper, impaling him, and says, "Anymore questions?!", a shot of Cliffjumper's shocked face that pans down toward Screamer's fingers embedded in Cliff's side, which Starscream pulls out while Energon spills out of Cliff's wound onto the floor, and Cliff's knees hitting the floor before he falls completely over, were all cut out. Now, after Starscream asks "Anymore questions?!" Cliff immediately hits the floor all at once.

2. When Jack is taking an obnoxious customer's order, his line of "So that's two 'we're-not-as-funny-as-we-think-we-are' combos with a side of 'bite me!'", and the guy's response of "Haha-- What'd you say?", were cut.

3. Jack's line of "The first rule of Robot Fight Club is you don't talk about Robot Fight Club," was cut.

4. Jack's line of "What you need to understand is that I don't want a bunch of crazy talking vehicles following me around trying to get me killed!" had its "trying to get me killed" part muted, ending the sentence instead at "following me around!"

5. The new commercial break played as the Autobots were bringing the kids to the base for the first time, right after Jack asks "And why exactly are we talking her?" (in regards to Miko), to which Arcee replies "Rules."

5.5. Not an edit, but the Autobot symbol seen on the ground of the Autobots' base was the same Movie-styled one used in this episode's initial Hub airing (as seen in this image), which was changed to the more traditional styled Autobot logo in reruns and later episodes.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:40 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.


>:oP I expected this.


Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.


Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"

Additional commercial break transitional fades were added for more breaks (this one we can expect again).


Gee, more breaks. That's what I always wanted.

I'll stick to the Hub. |:|
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:44 pm

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.


>:oP I expected this.
The impalement viewed from the side was still intact, just not the removal of Starscream's hand.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:47 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:The shot of Starscream pulling out his hand from Cliffjumper's chest after impanling him but before he fell over was cut.


>:oP I expected this.
The impalement viewed from the side was still intact, just not the removal of Starscream's hand.


Yes. I expected that.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:50 am

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Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.


Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"


Most likely it's because Fight Club isn't exactly a movie for kids. Name-dropping adult content on a kids show isn't popular with parents.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:03 am

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Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.


Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"


Most likely it's because Fight Club isn't exactly a movie for kids. Name-dropping adult content on a kids show isn't popular with parents.


I thought it'd have something to do with the "Fight Club" reference.

Let's see how many other hilarious censorships they conduct
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:25 am

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PrymeStriker wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Jack's line, "First rule about robot fight club is you don't talk about robot fight club," was cut.


Why? To avoid copyright issues with "Fight Club?"


Most likely it's because Fight Club isn't exactly a movie for kids. Name-dropping adult content on a kids show isn't popular with parents.


I thought it'd have something to do with the "Fight Club" reference.

Let's see how many other hilarious censorships they conduct


Safe money is on the part where Bulkhead disembowels a Vehicon being removed.

EDIT: Oh, and the various torture sequences. (Fowler being tortured by Starscream, MECH dissecting Breakdown, half of Predatory, etc.)
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:04 pm

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My thoughts on the end of season 2 and guesses for s3, better late than never.

Optimus: Last we see him, there are still sparks, so he still has a 'heartbeat'.Wheeljack, Airachnid and every Decep are in his vicinity so there might be some type of contest over his body or self. In reality, I suspect he'll be taken prisoner or hostage tho he might be discarded. I also see a small possibility that he'll go back to thinking he's Orion Pax/Optronix and serve the Deceps, but without the Iacon files to crack, I don't see what use he is to them any more. I wonder of they feel that killing him is an important tradition?

Alpha Trion: Missing in action. He hid a key in Smokescreen, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's hidden himself in the fortress Megatron 'Downloaded' to Earth. If he can still see events through the reforged Star Saber, he knows it would be a workable plan. This bloke :KREMZEEK: could be used an excuse to change A3 into downloadable material if he were a 'sample' of his kind in the Iacon hall of records, as A3 could technically scan him and take his form long enough to stash himself inside the 'download' of the fortress. Some cousin artefact of the phase shifter (do we really guess A3 bolted without taking any artefacts with him at all? could also be used as an excuse to stash A3 in the fort. Wheeljack, looking for Optimus, could be the catalyst that busts A3 out of some wall. Do I expect it? Nope, but for now it's logical guessing.

Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep. With the Predacons coming, Megatron has a massive arsenal, so she may be used to take the insecticons away from him again. A 'betrayal' by the Insecticons would be a good excuse to show off Predaking in combat without killing Autobots off straight from episode 1. Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode. If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero. Tiny, mostly unlikely chance she'll do something to zombify Dreadwing to help along some type of brief subplot thread.

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances. He always knew what to expect from Optimus and should be too busy shepherding the homeless A/bots and the kids around, possibly only via comm, to dwell on it for too long. It's a matter of character evolution which may be a vibe in the studios overall as knowledge of the 'evolution' concept in the next Bay film starts to come to light. Issue may surface briefly if Optimus is reunited with his team. Otherwise, Ratchet will use a defence and justification of Optimus to put any new prime in line.

Megz:This is a story about being a Prime. The writers have the guts to explore A/bots as fugitives and refugees of an honestly lost war. They should have let Megz get higher in psuedo-Prime status for a little. He got the arm of "Anonymous prime", a saber, a Cybertronian city-fortress and a chance to revive Cybertron. I think, since the dialogue already set any revival of Cybertron by him to be falsifiable, that he should have been allowed to do it for a day, then get shot in the foot.Doesn't matter now.

Zombie-Cons/Zombie-bots: What, the dark energon wore off? The exploding space bridge killed them all? Not satisfied. More mannequins limited for budget, promised to be used again and discarded for flashback fillers.

Bulkhead:He is developing the strength of will to control Miko and Smokescreens capability to distract him. Good. Should be useful.

I seriously hope more A/bots come to Earth in response to Primes' calls. This whole substory has been left behind, even in the Movieverse, it was there-but-not-there. If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet, If Prowl, not a motorbike, if any others, more soldiers, please. 3 for every one specialist, otherwise it's a parade of Han Solo toys and no supporting Rebel trooper toys.

Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?

Fowler:The Human perspective: If he has decided it's time to call things an emergency, he may push for the military to set up a new M.E.C.H project.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:19 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep.


Wheeljack's an Autobot; you know that, right? And, Airachnid is a rogue Decepticon. She tried to overthrow Megatron and killed Breakdown. The 'cons would do well to leave her in a vegetative state, if she is in one.



Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode.


Why would she join the Decepticons again. No...why would Megatron allow her to join the Decepticons again. Airachnid wouldn't have anything of interest to Megatron.

If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero.


Wheeljack is not part of Team Prime, but why the hell would he team up with Airachnid?

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances.


Right. So maybe he'll join up with Wheeljack.

If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet,


Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard here.

If Prowl, not a motorbike,


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Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?


The Predacons are hunters. They're hunting the five Autobots that are out on the run.

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What?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:31 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:Airachnid: Might be dead, discarded with the M.E.C.H plot hook, but could be on the loose again, broken free of stasis when the base collapsed, or else found and brought back into action by Wheeljack or some Decep.


Wheeljack's an Autobot; you know that, right? And, Airachnid is a rogue Decepticon. She tried to overthrow Megatron and killed Breakdown. The 'cons would do well to leave her in a vegetative state, if she is in one.



Airachnid, if she rejoins the Deceps, may sway Starscreams' loyalties again, tho Knockout is also corruptible now as he needs to start watching his back after the cortical patch episode.


Why would she join the Decepticons again. No...why would Megatron allow her to join the Decepticons again. Airachnid wouldn't have anything of interest to Megatron.

If she stays rogue, she may team up with Wheeljack for a little while until they can get away from ground zero.


Wheeljack is not part of Team Prime, but why the hell would he team up with Airachnid?

Ratchet: I don't think his problem with Optimus has enough torque on him to switch allegiances.


Right. So maybe he'll join up with Wheeljack.

If Jazz, I hope for an Elite Guard vet,


Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard here.

If Prowl, not a motorbike,


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Curiosity: Will Predaking roam to search for the remaining Autobots, or will they congregate on Megatrons fortress in desire to reclaim Optimus Prime?


The Predacons are hunters. They're hunting the five Autobots that are out on the run.

Fowler:The Human perspective: If he has decided it's time to call things an emergency, he may push for the military to set up a new M.E.C.H project.


What?




Of course I know Wheeljack is an A/bot.



Wheeljack is in the vicinity of the wrecked base and what's left of OP.A Patrol will most likely be sent directly to his crash site. He doesn't know the outcome of the battle yet and doesn't know OP is down.If he evades the patrol,he may head to the base to regroup and continue the battle (provided he isn't crippled, knocked out etc). I'm not sure if he even knows about Airachnid being in the stasis prison.Once he determines the base is destroyed, he may try to wait until the Decep mop-up is over then try to search for Autobot survivors.

Airachnid also doesn't know what's been going on lately.The base ruin is an excellent hiding place for her by default. She will be able both to hide and observe before WJ even gets there to start joining dots, (leaving her with the potential to trade info with WJ in regards to the fate of OP in the event that OPs body is removed by Megz, thereby forcing her and WJ to talk or negotiate, opening the doors to potential immediate teamwork in the face of survival and so on and so forth, even tho trading info is Starscreams MO, not hers).

HOWEVER, Airachnid has the capability to control the Insecticons at range, meaning she may immediately summon them to her and then leave the battlefield with them. If Megz and his remaining Deceps retaliate right away, WJ will have opportunities to search the base wreckage unnoticed, at least for a bit- Soundwave might get wind of him any which way and that's a rematch just waiting to happen.

If they (WJ & A/nid) run into each other while trying to sift through or sneak away from ground zero, they can choose to start fighting and make enough ruckuss to bring out all the Deceps from the tower again and get captured or killed, leave each other alone for now, or team up long enough to get by the immediate Decep patrol cordons.I didn't say they'd make friends, just team up for about 20 minutes.They can kill each other later.

Yes, the Predacons are hunters but the Autobots have their War irrevocably lost (for now) and their last Prime-their last figurehead of Autobothood- downed behind enemy lines: Excellent bait.

That Prowl looks great. A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?

There have been TF comics in which the Earths' military have tried to replicate Transformers, so treat it as TF lore waiting to be homaged by TF Prime or one of its' successor installments.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:26 pm

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?


We don't get it? You obviously don't get it. WFC Starscream is the same guy that TF Prime Starscream is. FoC Jazz would be the same guy as TF Prime Jazz. And this isn't our personal views; this is official.

Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard in any of the Aligned fiction. Therefore, he wouldn't suddenly be one after leaving Cybertron.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:33 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:A TF:Prime Jazz not being Elite guard in this joint continuity? I don't see a joint continuity, but you ppl still don't get it. Can you see FoC or WfC Starscream in Tf Prime? Why expect a WfC or FoC Jazz?


We don't get it? You obviously don't get it. WFC Starscream is the same guy that TF Prime Starscream is. FoC Jazz would be the same guy as TF Prime Jazz. And this isn't our personal views; this is official.

Jazz isn't part of the Elite Guard in any of the Aligned fiction. Therefore, he wouldn't suddenly be one after leaving Cybertron.


Suddenly? No, not suddenly if you're a good storyteller and not suddenly if there is a gap of aeons to work with.

Any which way, I'd like somebody to be an elite Guard vet in order to provide smokescreen with a mentor. Smokes' totally capable but his self opinion is idiotic.Jazz was a good candidate in my head since he has high fan factor and his presentation to viewers in the Bayverse was executed horrendously.

That's the same Starscream in personality as well? You're kidding?

Is Prime Soundwave officially the same bloke as WfC Soundwave as well? That's an honest question, I'm not being a smartarse.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:08 am

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G1 Smoketreader wrote:

Suddenly? No, not suddenly if you're a good storyteller and not suddenly if there is a gap of aeons to work with.


But Jazz would need to train with them first, and he was already off of Cybertron. There was no boot camp on the Ark, and definitely not on any of the planets they were hopping to and from, so how could he have trained to be an Elite Guardsman in that condition?

Any which way, I'd like somebody to be an elite Guard vet in order to provide smokescreen with a mentor. Smokes' totally capable but his self opinion is idiotic.Jazz was a good candidate in my head since he has high fan factor and his presentation to viewers in the Bayverse was executed horrendously.


The Elite Guard in the Aligned family are, put bluntly, a bunch of bodyguards. They served for the High Council. Even with the supporting factor that he never was, I would not want that to become of Jazz, regardless of the Animated reference.


That's the same Starscream in personality as well? You're kidding?


What's different about their personalities?


Is Prime Soundwave officially the same bloke as WfC Soundwave as well? That's an honest question, I'm not being a smartarse.


Yes. WFC Soundwave is Prime Soundwave. Just like WFC Megatron is Prime Megatron, WFC Bumblebee is Prime Bumblebee, WFC Breakdown is Prime Breakdown, etc. This applies to everyone in Prime, they're all the same dudes.

To elaborate, in chronological order, there was Exodus, WFC, FoC, Exiles, Prime, and Rescue Bots. That's the timeline of the Aligned family.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 am

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To be little more precise, the chronological timeline of the Aligned fiction seems to be as follows:
  • Exodus (chapters 1-11)
  • WFC comic/Exodus (chapters 12-15)
  • WFC game/Exodus (chapters 16-38)
  • FOC comic
  • FOC game/Exodus (chapter 39)
  • Rage of the Dinobots
  • Exiles
  • *millions and millions of years pass by*
  • Prime comic (chapters 1-2)/Prime cartoon episode 43's flashback
  • Prime comic (chapters 3-4)
  • Prime cartoon/Rescue Bots cartoon (the Prime game would also occur around this point if it could only fit neater into the show's timeline).
And, as an aside, the Rescue Bots storybooks seem to be their own continuity unrelated to the greater Aligned timeline.

G1 Smoketreader, you've openly stated that you haven't played the games or read the books, but you're still making assumptions and guesses without really knowing the stories of each. Wouldn't it be better just, you know, go play the games/read the books so you can get a better grasp on what you're wanting to talk about here?

Jazz can't have been a member of the Elite Guard since he was never one during his entire life on Cybertron, and by the time after he had left the planet, the Elite Guard was pretty much no more.

And like PrymeStriker said, every character in Prime is the same person as their counterparts in WFC/FOC. Optimus, Bumblebee, Arcee, Ratchet, Cliffjumper, Wheeljack, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Laserbeak, Breakdown, Shockwave, Hardshell... all the same people between the games and cartoon.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby MasterSoundBlaster » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:11 am

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I haven't even read the books but I still accept the series as part of the Aligned Fiction.

(Though I would really love to read "War of the Dinobots", anyone know if it's avaliable and if so where would be a good place to go and get it?"
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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MasterSoundBlaster wrote:Though I would really love to read "War of the Dinobots", anyone know if it's avaliable and if so where would be a good place to go and get it?"


Don't you mean "Rage of the Dinobots?" Because "War of the Dinobots" was a G1 comic & episode.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:48 am

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My point isn't that I can't accept the alignment and continuity, my point is that I don't see characters in Prime from the games. I see characters FOR Prime. I don't see storytellers weaving a tale about what happens next in the continuity for the sake of the existing continuity, I see people using a simple formula to tell a story that appears complicated for the sake of their pockets. I see them getting applauded for contradicting their own installments' timeline cuz the don't have the talent to ignore the formula they chose long enough to go around a bump. Instead they ignore the bump and we are expected to beg for more.

Personal opinion, not for starting an argument: Rescue bots is for our kids, not for us. I wouldn't watch it unless my Son called me over to him, to watch it with him. If I couldn't get enough out of Prime and the Movieverse and needed to watch Rescue Bots in order to get my fill, I'd take it as a sign of bad health or bad luck, either of mine or of the story writing capabilities of the TF universe as it stands at the moment. Not attacking anyone- the idea that Rescue Bots can belong only to the children of older TF fans and new, very young TF fans was a sentiment expressed by very many about the show when the news about it first broke. I came to agree with them later. (And before anyone flies off the handle I didn't say every adult who watches rescue bots is sick by default. I'm saying that by letting my Son have rescue bots to himself helps me avoid turning him into a miniature TF collecting version of me-he ends up entering and leaving the TF universe with his own opinions about it. Others may disagree heatedly and say it's an excellent opportunity for quality time and a common hobby. I agree with that, I just chose differently and WILL spend the quality time with him as long as he invites me to do so).(NOTE: I also am not saying that rescue Bots doesn't cater to older viewers.)

Anyway, two more thoughts on Airachnid-

*that if, for some reason she wants out and tries to get offworld rather than continue her stay on Earth in Prime, there is Wheeljacks' ship for her to gun for.

*That as a Huntress she may try to pit her skills against the Predacons anyway.

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