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The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Wigglez » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:28 am

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Wait, CW edits what is already a childrens show to make more child friendly? They mightest well just make the intro the Barney song. And let me guess, when they get to the end of season 2 where Prime gets blown up in their bass, CW is just going to skip that whole part. Good thing I already have the show
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:37 am

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Wigglez wrote:Wait, CW edits what is already a childrens show to make more child friendly? They mightest well just make the intro the Barney song. And let me guess, when they get to the end of season 2 where Prime gets blown up in their bass, CW is just going to skip that whole part. Good thing I already have the show


Different channels have different S&P. The Hub is a cable channel, and I was surprised with a lot of the stuff they could get away with. CW is network and has much stricter guidelines.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:02 am

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Wigglez wrote:Wait, CW edits what is already a childrens show to make more child friendly? They mightest well just make the intro the Barney song. And let me guess, when they get to the end of season 2 where Prime gets blown up in their bass, CW is just going to skip that whole part. Good thing I already have the show



Prime is a pretty brutal, violent show by the standards of kids shows. The Darkness Rising premiere saw Cliffjumper killed in the first act, Megatron dismember his corpse in the next episode, Megatron revive a lot of dead soldiers in the next, and then get blown to scrap in the finale.

In the premiere of the series, Masters and Students, Starscream rips the Dark Energon shard out of Megatron and says "This time- stay dead!" And this episode was widely available to kids who bought Cyberverse figures and the entertainment pack.

While the CW is probably censoring some of this violent content, it's more likely the edits they've chosen are being removed based on time constraints than anything else.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:53 am

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It seems to me that they're censoring for time and the most graphic content, based on Sabr's descriptions.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:39 pm

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Can someone help me out here?

Im near halfway done with exodus, right? So bumblebee has already lost his voice. This confused me, as it a prequel to WFC, a game were he talks. alot.

So tell me if I have this about right, yeah?
-High Counsel Meeting
-WFC
-BB at Tyger Pax?
-After WFC/before FOC?

Any light shed on this would be appreciated.
Also, were did Sentinel Zeta Prime dissapear too? I know hes in WFC, but its been a while, I'm sketchy on the details, did he make a comeback just to die in WFC?.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:24 pm

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Suffice to say, from what I've heard discussed, the novels and the games and the TV show tell somewhat contradictory sequences of events.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:54 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Can someone help me out here?

Im near halfway done with exodus, right? So bumblebee has already lost his voice. This confused me, as it a prequel to WFC, a game were he talks. alot.

So tell me if I have this about right, yeah?
-High Counsel Meeting
-WFC
-BB at Tyger Pax?
-After WFC/before FOC?

Any light shed on this would be appreciated.
Also, were did Sentinel Zeta Prime dissapear too? I know hes in WFC, but its been a while, I'm sketchy on the details, did he make a comeback just to die in WFC?.
Oy, yeah, there's some bit of hiccups between the game and the book.

Basically, Exodus covers events prior to WFC, during WFC, and during FOC. Chapters 1-15 and the war coverage chapter between 15 and 16 take place before WFC's events, chapters 16-38 take place during WFC's events, and chapters 38-39 take place during the point at which FOC would occur.

However, since the book's author and the games' creators did not work hand-hand with one another, and since each was given plenty of creative freedom by Hasbro to do what they so pleased with their own works, there are some specifics between each that don't exactly match up between the book and the games.

This thread covers the many differences between Exodus and WFC in great detail, but A) it was typed up long before FOC came out and does not contain any info form that game, B) it also compares the book to other continuities like the G1 cartoon, the movies, and more, so just look at what's written in red and blue, and C) it contains MASSIVE spoilers for those who have not yet finished the book.

So, yeah, there are soem things between the games and the book that don't exactly line up despite Hasbro officially considering both mediums to exist in the same timeline. It's best to just view the continuities of each in a very broad manner if one does not wish for a brain-crushing headache. ;)

The chronological timeline of the Aligned fiction seems to be as follows:
  • Exodus (chapters 1-11)
  • WFC comic/Exodus (chapters 12-15)
  • WFC game/Exodus (chapters 16-38)
  • FOC comic
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  • *eons pass by*
  • Prime graphic novel chapters 1-2/"Out of the Past" flashback
  • Prime graphic novel chapters 3-4
  • Prime cartoon/Rescue Bots cartoon (the Prime game would also occur around this point if it could only fit neater into the show's timeline).

As for Bumblebee's voice, yes, he loses it prior to the game's events in the books, while still having it during the game's events in WFC. BUT, there's something about his voice in the book that actually makes it difficult to say if he really lost it or not when he did, but I don't wanna spoil the rest of the book for ya, so I'll shut up about it. ;)

Regarding "BB at Tygar Pax", that actually fits in between a couple of paragraphs within the latter half of the post-15, pre-16 passage of text. But, since that story wasn't actually published with Hasbro's permission, the canonicity of that story is sketchy at best, falling into the realm of pseudocanon. It CAN still fit, just not exactly in an official way due to it not having Hasbro's license.

As for Sentinel Zeta Prime, his disappearance in the book is another difference since he did not seem to go missing in the game's version. The book will explain what will become of him once you reach that point.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:41 am

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Oi, this canon. Spoilers ahead for anyone who missed Fall of Cybertron:


Fall of Cybertron is not going to be easy to reconcile at all with the Prime cartoon, given its very G1-ish conclusion when both the Ark and Nemesis travel through the Space Bridge towards Earth, with Starscream completely unaccounted for and Grimlock possibly ahead of them following his apparent transport through the space bridge from Shockwave's duplicate tower; which has already been contradicted by Rage of the Dinobots, but I digress.

The characters were all en route to Earth, with damaged but still functional ships. Barring some event knocking them all into stasis lock, there should've been some remaining crew members to pilot the ships. I understand the ending is meant to be ambiguous, even a bit cliffhanger-y, but it doesn't reconcile with what we know from the backstories in Prime and Exodus. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the developers at High Moon didn't get copies of the Binder of Revelation to work from, and while they clearly followed Hasbro mandates, Hasbro didn't have much involvement in the story besides approving its content.

Thus I'd posit Fall of Cybertron as a continuation of War for Cybertron in a splinter timeline, creating a new micro-continuity. Relatively little is needed to reconcile War for Cybertron with Exodus, but a lot more work would be needed with its sequel.

We've got multiple universes and splinter timelines of said universes already: let's put 'em to use.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby BeastProwl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:12 am

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I think they should just make one 5-10 issue prequel comic to Prime to fit everything together. This is getting ridiculous. Why hasbro had to coin the aligned continuity right as Prime came out or before, is beyond my comprehension.

Did they make any WFC prequel comics that make more sense? Or was there just one?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:06 am

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Henry921 wrote:Oi, this canon. Spoilers ahead for anyone who missed Fall of Cybertron:


Fall of Cybertron is not going to be easy to reconcile at all with the Prime cartoon, given its very G1-ish conclusion when both the Ark and Nemesis travel through the Space Bridge towards Earth, with Starscream completely unaccounted for and Grimlock possibly ahead of them following his apparent transport through the space bridge from Shockwave's duplicate tower; which has already been contradicted by Rage of the Dinobots, but I digress.

The characters were all en route to Earth, with damaged but still functional ships. Barring some event knocking them all into stasis lock, there should've been some remaining crew members to pilot the ships. I understand the ending is meant to be ambiguous, even a bit cliffhanger-y, but it doesn't reconcile with what we know from the backstories in Prime and Exodus. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the developers at High Moon didn't get copies of the Binder of Revelation to work from, and while they clearly followed Hasbro mandates, Hasbro didn't have much involvement in the story besides approving its content.

Thus I'd posit Fall of Cybertron as a continuation of War for Cybertron in a splinter timeline, creating a new micro-continuity. Relatively little is needed to reconcile War for Cybertron with Exodus, but a lot more work would be needed with its sequel.

We've got multiple universes and splinter timelines of said universes already: let's put 'em to use.


You lost me at some point, what about that is supposed to contradict bits of Prime?

BeastProwl wrote:Why hasbro had to coin the aligned continuity right as Prime came out or before, is beyond my comprehension.


It was before War for Cybertron came out.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:47 am

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Henry921 wrote:Fall of Cybertron is not going to be easy to reconcile at all with the Prime cartoon, given its very G1-ish conclusion when both the Ark and Nemesis travel through the Space Bridge towards Earth,
They don't go to Earth through that space bridge. Recall that it was made unstable and had to have the ships get through it ASAP. It ultimately doesn't take them to Earth.

Henry921 wrote:with Starscream completely unaccounted for and Grimlock possibly ahead of them following his apparent transport through the space bridge from Shockwave's duplicate tower; which has already been contradicted by Rage of the Dinobots, but I digress.
Starscream probably got back at some point off screen.

And as for Grimlock, I never got the impression that he got sent through the space bridge. His fate was rather ambiguous to the nth degree, leaving plenty open room for him to still be on Cybertron after the game. He's running away, there's a blinding light, and then the scene cuts away. for all we know, he could have fallen off the platform he was on and plummeted far to the ground below, away from the space bridge's reach (though he'd be in for some serious repairs after a fall form that height).

Henry921 wrote:The characters were all en route to Earth,
Which we aren't shown or told that they ever made it to.

Henry921 wrote:with damaged but still functional ships. Barring some event knocking them all into stasis lock, there should've been some remaining crew members to pilot the ships. I understand the ending is meant to be ambiguous, even a bit cliffhanger-y, but it doesn't reconcile with what we know from the backstories in Prime and Exodus.
How exactly?

Henry921 wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the developers at High Moon didn't get copies of the Binder of Revelation to work from, and while they clearly followed Hasbro mandates, Hasbro didn't have much involvement in the story besides approving its content.
Matt Tieger mentions having worked from the Binder in several interviews about BOTH games. They wouldn't have come up with the games' stories that they did had they not worked from the Binder.

Henry921 wrote:Thus I'd posit Fall of Cybertron as a continuation of War for Cybertron in a splinter timeline, creating a new micro-continuity. Relatively little is needed to reconcile War for Cybertron with Exodus, but a lot more work would be needed with its sequel.

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http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_timeline
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:49 am

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I concede that the fiction is open ended and doesn't contradict things that might've happened between FOC and the Prime cartoon, but there are discrepancies, and other things that need some elaboration. These are the events from Fall of Cybertron I'm referring to.


Starscream stranded on Cybertron: did he regain consciousness in time to reach escape velocity and follow the ships through the rapidly closing space bridge?

Grimlock sent through the space bridge: and apparently back on Cybertron in time for the Rage of the Dinobots comic.

The Ark and Nemesis intact: The Autobot ship was already damaged; maybe the Nemesis finished it upon arrival in the Sol System. Which brings us to:

Arrival in the Sol System: or we decided to wait for another few million years to invade the planet with raw energy we needed to revitalize our homeworld and hang out with the Star Seekers for a while instead. This latter point actively contradicts the Prime episode Out of the Past, where Shockwave and Starscream become aware of Earth from Prime's broadcast, despite Shockwave being the guy who selected the planet and built the space bridge to get there

Hence my conclusion that instead of trying to explain these differences, we consider Fall of Cybertron and any subsequent sequels a splinter timeline. Hasbro may want it all to be connected in their glorious Aligned continuity, but the hiccups increase in number when trying to tie all the media together. Before Fall of Cybertron I had no problem accepting its predecessor as a prequel to the events of Prime, because the discrepancies were comparatively minor.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:53 am

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BeastProwl wrote:I think they should just make one 5-10 issue prequel comic to Prime to fit everything together. This is getting ridiculous. Why hasbro had to coin the aligned continuity right as Prime came out or before, is beyond my comprehension.

Did they make any WFC prequel comics that make more sense? Or was there just one?
Well, thanks for helping me understand...I think.
The creation of the Aligned continuity predates WFC and Prime by a few years. The folks at Hasbro first started putting it together around 2007, when the first movie came out. The stories of both WFC and Prime were adapted from the Binder of Revelation, the core essence and backbone of the Aligned continuity.

As for why they don't just go ahead and bridge the gap between the ancient past of the games/books and the present of cartoons, they want to tell that middle story in graduation. When asked at NYCC 2012 about any possible sequels or follow up material for Exiles, they gave the ever-suspicious answer of "stay tuned" (the very same answer that was given to other questions that were later made reality at Toy Fair this year).

The only WFC comic out there is the one adapting chapters 12-15 of Exodus.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:59 am

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Henry921 wrote:Starscream stranded on Cybertron: did he regain consciousness in time to reach escape velocity and follow the ships through the rapidly closing space bridge?
Megatron could have had him arrested and brought back to him just before the launch. Recall that neither ship launched until some decent amount of time after Grimlock knocked him out.

Henry921 wrote:Grimlock sent through the space bridge: and apparently back on Cybertron in time for the Rage of the Dinobots comic.
Already covered this but I'll repeat myself. :roll:

I never got the impression that he got sent through the space bridge. His fate was rather ambiguous to the nth degree, leaving plenty open room for him to still be on Cybertron after the game. He's running away, there's a blinding light, and then the scene cuts away. for all we know, he could have fallen off the platform he was on and plummeted far to the ground below, away from the space bridge's reach (though he'd be in for some serious repairs after a fall form that height).


Henry921 wrote:The Ark and Nemesis intact: The Autobot ship was already damaged; maybe the Nemesis finished it upon arrival in the Sol System. Which brings us to:

Arrival in the Sol System: or we decided to wait for another few million years to invade the planet with raw energy we needed to revitalize our homeworld and hang out with the Star Seekers for a while instead. This latter point actively contradicts the Prime episode Out of the Past, where Shockwave and Starscream become aware of Earth from Prime's broadcast, despite Shockwave being the guy who selected the planet and built the space bridge to get there
Again, THEY DID NOT REACH EARTH THROUGH THAT SPACE BRIDGE!

Henry921 wrote:Hence my conclusion that instead of trying to explain these differences, we consider Fall of Cybertron and any subsequent sequels a splinter timeline. Hasbro may want it all to be connected in their glorious Aligned continuity, but the hiccups increase in number when trying to tie all the media together. Before Fall of Cybertron I had no problem accepting its predecessor as a prequel to the events of Prime, because the discrepancies were comparatively minor.
You do realize that the game's designer intentionally put more Prime-based stuff into the FOC to make it fit more in line with Prime, right?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Henry921 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:19 am

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Henry921 wrote:Starscream stranded on Cybertron: did he regain consciousness in time to reach escape velocity and follow the ships through the rapidly closing space bridge?
Megatron could have had him arrested and brought back to him just before the launch. Recall that neither ship launched until some decent amount of time after Grimlock knocked him out.

Henry921 wrote:Grimlock sent through the space bridge: and apparently back on Cybertron in time for the Rage of the Dinobots comic.
Already covered this but I'll repeat myself. :roll:

I never got the impression that he got sent through the space bridge. His fate was rather ambiguous to the nth degree, leaving plenty open room for him to still be on Cybertron after the game. He's running away, there's a blinding light, and then the scene cuts away. for all we know, he could have fallen off the platform he was on and plummeted far to the ground below, away from the space bridge's reach (though he'd be in for some serious repairs after a fall form that height).


Henry921 wrote:The Ark and Nemesis intact: The Autobot ship was already damaged; maybe the Nemesis finished it upon arrival in the Sol System. Which brings us to:

Arrival in the Sol System: or we decided to wait for another few million years to invade the planet with raw energy we needed to revitalize our homeworld and hang out with the Star Seekers for a while instead. This latter point actively contradicts the Prime episode Out of the Past, where Shockwave and Starscream become aware of Earth from Prime's broadcast, despite Shockwave being the guy who selected the planet and built the space bridge to get there
Again, THEY DID NOT REACH EARTH THROUGH THAT SPACE BRIDGE!

Henry921 wrote:Hence my conclusion that instead of trying to explain these differences, we consider Fall of Cybertron and any subsequent sequels a splinter timeline. Hasbro may want it all to be connected in their glorious Aligned continuity, but the hiccups increase in number when trying to tie all the media together. Before Fall of Cybertron I had no problem accepting its predecessor as a prequel to the events of Prime, because the discrepancies were comparatively minor.
You do realize that the game's designer intentionally put more Prime-based stuff into the FOC to make it fit more in line with Prime, right?





Because my reply to Shadowman was being written at roughly the same time you posted, I missed your initial rebuttal. Sorry to make you repeat yourself. ;)


Anyway, I wasn't aware the guys at High Moon had a Binder of Revelation. Which interview did they mention that in?


Moving on to points of contention: the ambiguity of Starscream's fate is a pretty big offender, especially if we need to go through the trouble of coming up with the explanation ourselves. Even if sufficient time had passed for the Decepticons to recover and re-arrest Starscream before they left, why would they bother? Megatron had already dismissed him as "not worth the time", and even if they had gone back to get him, both Megatron and Onslaught would've been inclined to execute him instead of imprison him, as Megatron was already shown attempting in game.

When Grimlock flees the exploding station, we fade to white as everything blows up, and then cut to something being transported through the space bridge itself. What significance does this serve, if it's just debris or one of the fleeing Decepticon generics? I agree it's ambiguous, but it seems like a back door to send Grimlock to Earth with the others.


As for the space bridge not arriving on Earth immediately as a result of space bridge instability, well... okay, it's not like fiction about space bridges is ever completely consistent, but why would both Optimus and Shockwave not be aware of Earth and its supply of natural energon in the Prime cartoon when Shockwave specifically targets Earth as his destination in FOC? And if the Bots and Cons ended up in some other sector of space, how did they have sufficient energy to go on whatever other adventures they had in mind when both factions were essentially running on empty by the end of FOC? There's a lot that needs to be filled in.

I accept that maybe there's a reasonable explanation for my doubts, but thus far, I don't feel the cartoon or the novels have provided one. It requires too much explanation from the fans to fill in, rather than the creators, hence my personal canon regarding it as a splinter timeline.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:45 am

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Henry921 wrote:Anyway, I wasn't aware the guys at High Moon had a Binder of Revelation. Which interview did they mention that in?
Some of the FOC interviews with Matt Tieger has him talking about when High Moon first came to Hasbro about doing a Transformers game (WFC) and that when they did, Tieger said that Hasbro was in the process of putting together "the bible" for Transformers that everything new would be drawing reference from, and that it was from this that the games were put together. This video is one such example, in which he even refers to it as a "binder".

Henry921 wrote:Moving on to points of contention: the ambiguity of Starscream's fate is a pretty big offender, especially if we need to go through the trouble of coming up with the explanation ourselves. Even if sufficient time had passed for the Decepticons to recover and re-arrest Starscream before they left, why would they bother? Megatron had already dismissed him as "not worth the time", and even if they had gone back to get him, both Megatron and Onslaught would've been inclined to execute him instead of imprison him, as Megatron was already shown attempting in game.
With Starscream, there's always the "You get one. More. Chance." write-in to keep his use in motion since, well, he's Starscream. It feels to me like the makers got so caught up in the "DUDEGRIMLOCKSPACETREXGAMEPLAYZOMG!" that comes after Screamer gets knocked out that they simply forgot about Starscream.

Not to mention that Starsceam was knocked out in Shockwave's lab. That's not exactly a place one could stay in unnoticed for very long. Shockwave could have easily spotted his unconscious body via a surveillance feed and had his body sent to Megatron via CybEx First Class delivery. :P

As to why he'd be kept alive, think about it. What greater humiliation for Screamer to suffer than to be forced back into Megatron's services, denying him the freedom that comes with death. ;)

Henry921 wrote:When Grimlock flees the exploding station, we fade to white as everything blows up, and then cut to something being transported through the space bridge itself. What significance does this serve, if it's just debris or one of the fleeing Decepticon generics? I agree it's ambiguous, but it seems like a back door to send Grimlock to Earth with the others.
Yet, all future plans for the character after the game have still stuck on Cybertron.

When I first saw that sequence in the game, my initial reaction was think that it might have been Shockwave who got sent through. Grimlock never came to mind in that scene. But since Shockwave going through didn't make sense, I took it as a surge of power launching from the damaged generator through the beam up to the portal, destabilizing it as a result. I mean, when a machine goes critical, all that excess output has to go somewhere. ;)

Henry921 wrote:As for the space bridge not arriving on Earth immediately as a result of space bridge instability, well... okay, it's not like fiction about space bridges is ever completely consistent, but why would both Optimus and Shockwave not be aware of Earth and its supply of natural energon in the Prime cartoon when Shockwave specifically targets Earth as his destination in FOC?
Now that is a continuity error that's the fault of different writers having different creative visions.

Although, the energon on Earth in Prime isn't natural (save for the Dark Energon). They're deposits that were hidden on the planet long ago when they started hiding their energon deposits on other worlds for both safekeeping and so the stuff would be readily available on those other worlds should it be needed.

Henry921 wrote:And if the Bots and Cons ended up in some other sector of space, how did they have sufficient energy to go on whatever other adventures they had in mind when both factions were essentially running on empty by the end of FOC? There's a lot that needs to be filled in.
Well, the Ark didn't have to go that far when it reached its first destination.

As for the Nemesis, don't forget that it used to be an energon storage space station, so of the two ships, its the one more likely to be better prepared for long-distance travel. And *(from what we've seen thus far) it did arrive on the same places that the Ark did, so it too didn't have that far to go.

Henry921 wrote:I accept that maybe there's a reasonable explanation for my doubts, but thus far, I don't feel the cartoon or the novels have provided one. It requires too much explanation from the fans to fill in, rather than the creators, hence my personal canon regarding it as a splinter timeline.
Simply put, it's because Hasbro's got a different definition of "continuity" than the fans do. But, this timeline shows how things fit in the grand scheme of things.

Though, there is also another way to view all this: "Yo dawg, none of this stuff is canon, man! Only the Binder of Revelation is the real deal and nuthin' else, dude!" 8-}
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:07 pm

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Well, here it is. The episode many of us were anticipating has aired on Vortexx. Episode 12, "Predatory", had edits that were to be expected, and then some. 8 edits total.

1. During Arcee's first flashback, there's a shot of one of Airachnid's spider limb blades raising up and striking in a quick, downward motion, followed immediately by an impalement sound effect and a splatter of dark liquid on the screen. Then whiteness, ending the flashback. In the edited version, the moment of the blade striking downward and the liquid splatter were cut, showing only the blade rising and then cutting to the whiteness.

2. During Arcee's second flashback, the first shot is of Arcee captured and struggling in her bonds as the camera zooms out to reveal Airachnid standing nearby, in front of Arcee some short distance away. The bit of Arcee struggling as the camera zoomed out was cut, leaving in only the end of the zoom out revealing Airachnid's presence.

3. At the end of Arcee's second flashback, Arcee tilts her head back in vain as Airachnid points her finger at Arcee's cheek. The screen then turns black as we hear a loud metal scraping sound and Arcee giving out an agonizing "NOOOOO!" This blackened torture scene was shortened, cutting out what it could to remove Arcee's yell while leaving in some of the scraping sound.

And yet, in spite of this, Arcee's third flashblack repeats clearer, on screen looks of what was cut in edits 2 and 3 (Arcee struggling and getting her face scratched), and was left completely untouched.

4. During Arcee's fifth flashback (her fourth was when she recalled seeing Airachnid's "trophies" inside the ship), a similar edit to the first one is made. As Airachnid walks over to Tailgate, first she hisses with sadistic glee, then there's a shot of the unconscious Tailgate hanging helplessly, then an extreme close up of Arcee looking fearful, then a shot of Airachnid's blade raising, then another extreme close of of the frightened Arcee, then a shot of the blade striking downward and a subsequent splatter of liquid on the screen with the impalement sound effect, capped off with a final extreme close up of Arcee yelling "TAILGAAAATE...!" as the camera zooms out and closes the flashback. In the edited version, everything underlined was cut.

5. The bit of Airachnid saying, "but I recently picked up some Decepticon radio chatter regarding the passing of Cliffjumper," was cut.

6. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to snuff out your spark, and believe me, I will make it hurt," was reworked to remove the "snuff out your spark" part. What they did was first cut off the scene right before she would have said, "and believe me..." and then inserted the audio of her saying "make it hurt" over the video of when she says "snuff out your spark". Thus, the new line became "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to make it hurt."

7. The new commercial break played right after Airachnid saw that Jack was running to her ship, causing her to say "huh" and then hiss with predatory delight. Immediately after the hiss came the commercial break.

8. Closer to the end of the episode, as Airachnid finally catches Jack and is about to do very nasty things to him, Arcee drives up into the air from the other side of a hill, transforms in mid-air, and then kicks Airachnid square in the side of her face, causing Airachnid to tumble over a short length away. When Arcee kicked her, the impact of the kick was shown in slow motion. This slow-mo kick impact was cut, making the scene now show Arcee about to kick her, and Airachnid tumbling away after the sound of the kick is played, leaving us to assume the kick was met with her off screen.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:23 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:5. The bit of Airachnid saying, "but I recently picked up some Decepticon radio chatter regarding the passing of Cliffjumper," was cut.


...why? There's edits I can understand, then there's ones that are just unnecessary.

Sabrblade wrote:6. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to snuff out your spark, and believe me, I will make it hurt," was reworked to remove the "snuff out your spark" part. What they did was first cut off the scene right before she would have said, "and believe me..." and then inserted the audio of her saying "make it hurt" over the video of when she says "snuff out your spark". Thus, the new line became "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to make it hurt."


I ask again, why?! That made it worse!
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot032 » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:42 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:5. The bit of Airachnid saying, "but I recently picked up some Decepticon radio chatter regarding the passing of Cliffjumper," was cut.


...why? There's edits I can understand, then there's ones that are just unnecessary.

Sabrblade wrote:6. Airachnid's line to Arcee of "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to snuff out your spark, and believe me, I will make it hurt," was reworked to remove the "snuff out your spark" part. What they did was first cut off the scene right before she would have said, "and believe me..." and then inserted the audio of her saying "make it hurt" over the video of when she says "snuff out your spark". Thus, the new line became "But don't get me wrong, I fully intend to make it hurt."


I ask again, why?! That made it worse!


The phrase passing speaks of death, which they try to avoid in kids shows, at least ones shown by Saban. And Airachnid telling Arcee she's going to make her hurt? That could mean anything, doesn't have to mean death.

Might seem pointless to us, but to the censors, this might be a big deal. Sucks, but what can you do?
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:46 pm

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Plus, this is the second time they have removed a line about having someone's spark "snuffed out". My guess is that the censors are aware of the spark being like a Transformer's heart, so the line sound to them like a threat to rip out someone's heart.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:47 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:The phrase passing speaks of death, which they try to avoid in kids shows, at least ones shown by Saban.


Actually they've used the term "Death" in a lot of recent Power Rangers series. A lot of modern cartoons are doing it. It's not that that S&P is always trying to turn children's television into Teletubbies, it's that producers started thinking it was true, and in the past couple of years, started to realize it most certainly isn't, and S&P really doesn't care what they do. Case in point, Legend of Korra. Aired Saturday morning on Nickelodeon. Tons of violence. Also contained a scene meant to evoke the image of a victim of sexual assault.

That made it to air, and yet you can't reference a character dying despite said death having clearly occurred? I'm not blaming S&P, I'm blaming whoever cut this up. Maybe Vortex, maybe they're a lot stricter than Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon or the Hub or the Disney Channel. I don't know how they work, all I know is that they're officially the wimpiest of the children's/teen's programming channels.

Autobot032 wrote:Might seem pointless to us, but to the censors, this might be a big deal. Sucks, but what can you do?


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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:02 pm

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Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.

Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:28 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.

Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.


Aw, yeah, hadn't considered that.

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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:10 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.

Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.


Aw, yeah, hadn't considered that.

Well, back to blaming S&P then.
Yes, that is why Prime is being edited, along with Justice League Unlimited and Dragon Ball Z Kai.
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Re: The Official Transformers: Prime Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:47 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Shadowman, this is The CW, a broadcast network, not a cable network. Broadcast networks are far more strict in their BSnP for children's programming than cable networks. Always have been.

Unless it were to air during a primetime timeslot among adult TV shows, I can almost guarantee that a show like Legend of Korra would be butchered to death if it aired in children's programming block on a network like The CW, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or Fox.


Aw, yeah, hadn't considered that.

Well, back to blaming S&P then.
Yes, that is why Prime is being edited, along with Justice League Unlimited and Dragon Ball Z Kai.


Wasn't Kai already heavily edited for TV? You have to wonder why they'd pick up shows if they're just going to cut them all to hell.
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