kaijuguy19 wrote: Dead Metal wrote: Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:And this is why Bulkhead was able to beat both Lugnut and Shockwave, this is why Optimus onwed Megatron is final fight so easily?
For me, Decepticons in Animates last that long only becuase of Prime's Team lack of combat experience and general lack of Elite Guard considering Decepticons seriously.
Animated also made it a point to show the Autobots getting better at fighting Decepticons gradually over time. By the season 1 finale, they had gotten a better hang of combating Decepticons--except for Megatron, who was freshly rebuilt to full power and so still a major obstacle for them at the time. Bulkhead and Optimus had each gotten much stronger over time and so could hold their own much better than they could when they first fought the Cons.
Plus, the final fight had Optimus armed with the all powerful Magnus Hammer, which further helped to put him on even footing with Megatron. And, unlike Optimus, Megatron had gotten caught in the explosion of the lugnut Supreme, and had thusly been greatly weakened by it.
I would like to add that in Animated the main Autobot team where just a maintenance crew, the only ones with actual combat abilities where Ratchet (old ass retired cranky medic), Prowl (loner, completely unable to work in a team), and Optimus (never finished trianing and zero actual combat experience). While the Decepticons they encountered (save for the ones created during the show), where all long-time combat proven warriors.
This is like construction workers armed with only their equipment going up against a team of marines armed to the teeth.
kaijuguy19 wrote:Do any of you guys find the Prime style to be very derrivitive and unimaginative? Some people I've heard at some sites say that too many characters have the samey proportions and samey design cues with samey faces that are badly animated. Like Optimus and Bee being largely inspired by the movies but in hindsight did nothing to make them stand out from the past versions if not better.
Also the same people gripe about the transformation shcemes not being unqiue to each characer in the slightest like, nobody started arms first, legs last or legs first, torso and arms last. They just exploded apart and reformed with no sense of weight or flow like they never transform at all with no sense of countinuity making the gimmick of the brand unimpressive in the long run.
I know this has to do with personal opinions and all and let's face it we all have different tastes in style. It's just some of these complaints are somehow valid like with Optimus,Bee and Megatron being largely inspired by the movies though at the same time we have characters like Arcee,Soundwave and Breakdown not being like their G1 counterparts.
Nope, I think the style is one of the high points of the show.
True Megatron, Optimus and Bee are very similar to their movie incarnations, however each design is still kinda unique and perfect for the character.
Megatron however, looks more like a mixture of Animated pre-Earth Megatron and G1 Megatron, and if you really look at the design you'll notice how his body is perfectly suited for hand-to-hand combat:
- Powerful arms (Movie Megatron is known for his comically crappy arms) perfect for punching and ripping enemies from limb to limb
- His fingers each miss a piece, so instead of having fingers like us that are made up of three pieces and joints, his are made up off two pieces and joints, and one of those pieces are literately just spikes to dig into an enemy and ripp him apart
- His front is heavily armored, while his back has the bulk of exposed joints and gaps for movement.
- The "twisted" more "evil" versions of G1 Megatron features, like the sides of his stomach, his legs looking like gun handles, etc
And what's that about everyone transforming the same? That kinda reads like you don't like it that they just transform without having an incredibly silly 5 minute long transformation scene in order to fill out the run time of each episode and save on animation costs.
I actually don't mind how they transform on the show. It's just that some people have a problem with it because they think they don't each have a unqie and different way of transforming.
But they do.
Another complaint I've read is that the designs don't have a lot of the robot aspect in them makking them evoke the imagery of a bunch of poorly-dressed people with bad skin that don't have their character repsented well in it. not as sleek as Animated nor as detailed as the movies. People often say that it's a style that plays it too safe and is bland compaired to the Animated and Movie styles which they feel did a much better job at their respective styles .
In short most of them are saying that the Prime style commits a crime of being bland,boring.playing it safe.not having any visual variety just to name a few.
That's what makes them so good, they're a mix of Animated and Movie, they are sleek and organic looking, while having just enough detail and moving parts to still look like machines. The hilarious thing is, most of those people probably think that the Marvel G1 comics are the best incarnation ever, the one where the artists decided to let the robots look like people in costumes.
The style took some getting used to, but after a while I really got to appreciate it giving me not only the details and complexity I craved in robots, but also the sleekness of Animated, it's fantastic.
Especially when you look at it and realize these are designed to be robots that turn into vehicles and not the other way around like the movies do.
Afterall the whole concept here is that they are organisms like humans, just made of metal. Plus it's supposed to the the TF version of a "Prime" universe, as in the original universe from which all other universes branch off from. Which explains why Optimus and BB look so much like their Movie counterparts, and Bulkhead like his Animated self.
But what they ignore is the original design work on guys like Soundwave and Predaking.
Sabrblade wrote:Wait, are they actually complaining that the transformations are exactly as they should normally be instead of drawn out anime-styled stock transformation sequences that take up an extra thirty second to a minute? Are they seriously complaining about a lack of filler padding?!!
Freaking weaboos, that's who.