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[Shockwave7]

If, by saying 'see Bumblebee as you've NEVER seen him before' they mean, 'see Bumblebee in tired re-runs that you've already seen a million times', then yeah. This lame repaint of a DVD will totally feature Bumblebee 'as we've never seen him before'.

Just what we needed - MORE Bumblebee. /sarcasm

Sorry to sound bitter - but I don't see why Hasbro thinks they have to cancel Transformers TV shows (even GOOD ones) just to clear toy shelves for whatever festering, worm-filled log Michael Bay intends to grunt out of his backside and call 'Transformers 4'.

[Kaizen]

I always thought it was a bit silly to sell mini-volumes of episodes. Especially when they're all on netflix and (eventually) DVD anyway!

In any case, I think its pretty awesome Bumblebee is in the spotlight. Maybe the series that's supposed to be a follow up to Prime will have Bumblebee as the main character...?

[Venowtron]

"handpicked episodes"

well that just saved me 10$

[Sabrblade]

Sorry to sound bitter - but I don't see why Hasbro thinks they have to cancel Transformers TV shows (even GOOD ones) just to clear toy shelves for whatever festering, worm-filled log Michael Bay intends to grunt out of his backside and call 'Transformers 4'.

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

[Shadowman]

Interesting how people flip their lids when Bumblebee gets something dedicated to himself, especially in a series when he was a near background character.

I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.

Ironically, nobody gets tired of those three.

This DVD doesn't particularly matter to me, but it's nice to see Prime Bumblebee get some more recognition after Predacons Rising I suppose.

The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

[Shockwave7]

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

[SlyTF1]

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

I'm sure TFA was cancelled before ROTF.

[Sabrblade]

Why are they ending TF prime?

Because they wanted to end on 65 episodes since before the show was created, they used up all of their story material, they felt the way they ended it was satisfactory enough, they were done making it, they didn't want the show to stagnate, they want to do something else now, etc. etc.

This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons.

Not when everything they had planned for it got eaten up by the end of season 2. Predacons Rising wasn't even new material, it was just a retread of Unicron's story and existing stuff from the novels.

Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'.

The Hub had nothing to do with it. Hasbro Studios felt they reached beyond their goal enough and were done with it.

And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

EVERY Transformers show ended before the next big thing came along. That's how the business model works. They do one thing for one or two years, and then move on the the next project.

As for Animated, like Sly said, that show ended before ROTF even came to theaters. And, to Hasbro, (regardless of how awesome it was) it was a mere filler series meant to cushion the open space between the first two movie toylines, as evidenced by how quick to drop it Hasbro was when a fourth season was already being thought of (unlike TF: Prime, which never had anything planned beyond episode 65 and the Preds Rising movie).

[EagleBot13]

Sure they would.

[Sabrblade]

The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

[PrymeStriker]

The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Yes, I was responding to TK415.

[Dead Metal]

What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?

Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

I cannot believe that people still believe Prime was cancelled, seriously they've stated since the show was first announced THAT THERE WHERE ONLY GOING TO BE THREE SEASONS WITH 65 EPISODES!
They only wanted to make 65 episodes, with the option that if it was popular enough they would make more, we got more, we got a TV movie and they're already working on the sequel series.
And I believe the following will also be news to you, but TF Prime ... has Unicron in it.


Also, I hate these stupid themed episode DVDs, I mean wtf? Who needs this after already owning the whole damn show in a box?

[Sabrblade]

Who needs this after already owning the whole damn show in a box?

Kids who like Bumblebee but can't afford the boxed sets?

[TK415]

The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Yes, I was responding to TK415.

Look, I get it, Hasbro targets their products to children. Children like Bumblebee. A parent (and or a casual consumer) may be more likely to buy a Bumblebee DVD rather than a Transformer Prime DVD. I don’t have a problem with Hasbro making money or targeting their main audience. But, as an adult collector I can have the opinion that there is an over saturation of Bumblebee.

When I saw the news about the DVD I laughed, I wrote what I wrote, and then I didn’t let it bother me again. Good for Hasbro for thinking of a way to effectively target their audience. Also, the more money they make, the more product they will produce, which could be good for me. I had decent sarcasm, I would think that “Flip their lids” was not an accurate description of my post. I can agree that there is a lot of hate for Bumblebee out there, which bothers me. But we can still laugh at Hasbro’s actions.

Additionally, I thought Prymestriker’s following comment was excellent and one that I hadn’t thought about recently: “I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.”

For me, I have no spite for Bee. I just don’t like over saturation of any character. Twelve shelves of Starscream for six months would be a problem for me. When the Star Wars prequels came out I enjoyed reading novels about Yoda, Mace, and others. I didn’t want to read 10 novels about Anakin. Sure you can have main characters, just as long as they aren’t the only characters. So, is a Bumblebee DVD a problem? No. Can we laugh about it? Yes.

[PrymeStriker]

The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.

TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.

Yes, I was responding to TK415.

Look, I get it, Hasbro targets their products to children. Children like Bumblebee. A parent (and or a casual consumer) may be more likely to buy a Bumblebee DVD rather than a Transformer Prime DVD. I don’t have a problem with Hasbro making money or targeting their main audience. But, as an adult collector I can have the opinion that there is an over saturation of Bumblebee.

When I saw the news about the DVD I laughed, I wrote what I wrote, and then I didn’t let it bother me again. Good for Hasbro for thinking of a way to effectively target their audience. Also, the more money they make, the more product they will produce, which could be good for me. I had decent sarcasm, I would think that “Flip their lids” was not an accurate description of my post. I can agree that there is a lot of hate for Bumblebee out there, which bothers me. But we can still laugh at Hasbro’s actions.

Additionally, I thought Prymestriker’s following comment was excellent and one that I hadn’t thought about recently: “I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point."

For me, I have no spite for Bee. I just don’t like over saturation of any character. Twelve shelves of Starscream for six months would be a problem for me. When the Star Wars prequels came out I enjoyed reading novels about Yoda, Mace, and others. I didn’t want to read 10 novels about Anakin. Sure you can have main characters, just as long as they aren’t the only characters. So, is a Bumblebee DVD a problem? No. Can we laugh about it? Yes.

Thank you for your kind and reasonable response. I apologize for any misconceptions I've made toward your post.

[TK415]

Thank you for your kind and reasonable response. I apologize for any misconceptions I've made toward your post.

No problem, thank you for your kind response. You regularly have good points, and I agree that too much negativity really does get in the way. This also reminds me that tone and intent are not always clear in posts.

[Sabrblade]

Pretty sure the Bumblebee over-saturation has died down since the PRID line went under. I myself haven't seen a Bumblebee toy hive on the shelves since then, as the main Deluxes that now clogging the shelves appear to be BH Smokescreen, BH Starscream, BH Bulkhead, BH Lazerback, and the Wave 1 Generations toys that got re-released with the Wreckers.

[TurboMMaster]

1) Almost entirely new cast, characters from Prime returns only via cameo

I disagree with this. They practically left an open door for Bumblebee to be the star of the next series in Predacons Rising. I also don't believe we'll be shaking Bulkhead & Arcee anytime soon. And with Optimus gone, the logical choice for a replacement "leader" is Ultra Magnus.

I understand your POV, but after 65 episodes watching series with such small cast, you may have enough of any character from first seazon, maybe except for Wheeljack. Beast Hunters proves that creators have enough of Bulkhead and Arcee, But there is a lot of Bumblebee, Knock Out and Starscream too. Even if we consider that all three of them start to change before series finale.

I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.

To be honest, I would love to see that KO don't fits Autobots at all and either betray them, or beign kicked out. Is there really need in Autobot team for an opportunist and a coward?

With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.

A perfect situation for new Overlord to emerge

Meh....

After millenia of destructive warfare and later exile from their homeworld, no doubt some of Decepticons would prefer to made a deal with Autobots. And considering their adventage, I don't see reaon why they can't keep their autonomy.

7) Starscream lives.

Target Practice.

Why you think that Predacons want to KILL Starscream? Maybe humiliation is enough? I think that Predaking may keep Starscream at his court... As a jester Don't forget that he was - in some way responsible for creation of Darksteel and Skylynx. Of course Shockwave is he's main creator, but they still owns Starscream... Also, as a seaker, he maybe extremly usefull for Predaking, as a one who provide new bones, outside from Cybertron.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime

Why not? It's perfect way to keep him "dead" and "alive" at the same time....

[PrymeStriker]

I understand your POV, but after 65 episodes watching series with such small cast, you may have enough of any character from first seazon, maybe except for Wheeljack. Beast Hunters proves that creators have enough of Bulkhead and Arcee, But there is a lot of Bumblebee, Knock Out and Starscream too. Even if we consider that all three of them start to change before series finale.

I understand your point of view as well. It's just that historically, direct sequels of shows have not radically changed the cast in the way you seem to be suggesting. Beast Machines started out with a cast of Maximals completely consisting of previous characters, and only later added to the cast with few new characters. Energon took the cast of Armada to a new level and removed a good deal of its old cast, but it's most prominent characters returned, minus Red Alert.

And for the live action films, pretty much any robot who didn’t die in the first movie came back for the second, save for Megatron and Barricade.

Point being, if the next series is a sequel to Prime, I couldn’t imagine an entirely new cast, not only with characters left with open books, but also with what we’ve gotten in the past.

I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.

To be honest, I would love to see that KO don't fits Autobots at all and either betray them, or beign kicked out. Is there really need in Autobot team for an opportunist and a coward?

There may not be room for an opportunist and coward on the Autobot’s side (though there have existed such characters before), but Knock Out could find a role model in one of his braver comrades. It would be good character development for him.

Plus, the Autobots need a medic. Ratchet can’t be space bridging back and forth all the time.

With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.

A perfect situation for new Overlord to emerge

I would love to see that character in the Prime design aesthetic.

Come to think of it, I would love to see any character we haven’t in the Prime aesthetic.

7) Starscream lives.

Target Practice.

Why you think that Predacons want to KILL Starscream? Maybe humiliation is enough?

I didn't say the Predacons want to KILL Starscream. Target practice =/= killed. They can tie Starscream up and fire rocks from a cannon at him every night, or practice their fire breath on him. That wouldn’t be killing him, but rather forcing him to endure eternal suffering and aggravation for his abuse toward them.

Also, as a seaker, he maybe extremly usefull for Predaking, as a one who provide new bones, outside from Cybertron.

I imagine Darksteel being responsible for that.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime

No.

Why not? It's perfect way to keep him "dead" and "alive" at the same time....

Because. I’m tired of Optimus.

[TK415]

Pretty sure the Bumblebee over-saturation has died down since the PRID line went under. I myself haven't seen a Bumblebee toy hive on the shelves since then, as the main Deluxes that now clogging the shelves appear to be BH Smokescreen, BH Starscream, BH Bulkhead, BH Lazerback, and the Wave 1 Generations toys that got re-released with the Wreckers.

Great point, and absolutely true in the short term. But six years of Bumblebee oversaturation is hard to shake off, and holds true for the average of those years.

a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

[Sabrblade]

a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

[Shadowman]

a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

The situation has only been made worse with the addition of yet more bees!

[Dead Metal]

a Bumblebee toy hive.

Nice description, I like that.

Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

The situation has only been made worse with the addition of yet more bees!

I don't even have to click that to know what it is.

Also, can't believe this hasn't been posted yet

[kaijuguy19]

I've came across this post on TFW that said that Beast Machines had better CGI then Prime right here.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... prime.html

It explains about how Beast Machines made better use of the CGI it had and that the desgins and stlyings are more consistant. Whereas in Prime while the robots and vehicles are detailed the humans and enveroments as well as the explosions don't seem to blnd well with the robots making it inconsitant as well as making it age faster.

Do you guys agree with this or at least some of it?

[Sabrblade]

I can kinda see where this guy is coming from, though it is very confusing how he speaks of Beast Machines yet uses an image of Beast Wars.

I agree with most of the other users who speak of the two having very different aesthetics and it all comes down personal preference of which one was better, since that is entirely subjective.

Beast Machines used 100% CGI, while Prime made use of both CGI and hand-painted art pieces for backgrounds, flashbacks, etc.

Beast Machines also stuck to a more alien, otherworldly art style with designs that were unrealistic, atypical, and only believable within the realms of imagination.

Whereas Prime used a style that was uber realistic, with very traditional designs for its environments and humans, as though it tried its darnedest to hide the fact that it was a cartoon (but that's a whole other can of worms).

Of the two, I'd at least say that Beast Machines was the one that looked less "boring" by virtue of it being set on an alien world and stemming as far away as possible from Earthen designs. But to call its CGI better than Prime overall, I can't say for certain, since both had their own respective strengths and weaknesses.