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The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:26 pm

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The Phantom Pain has been bouncing around the internet for some time now, and the pieces have been falling into place since. It seems to be widely agreed that this is indeed Metal Gear Solid 5.

The question then becomes basically this: What?

The synopsis from the trailer is anyone's guess, from it taking place between Metal Gear and Metal Gear: Snake's Revenge, or right after MGS 3, though the prosthetic would contradict that. What it revolves around is anyone's guess, but color me interested. All the mystery surrounding it.

But with MGS Rising practically in my PS3, and Ground Zeroes on the horizon, I still hold to my aforementioned "What?" Hell, this may BE Ground Zeroes, and Hideo could just be "Pulling a Raiden" again.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Wigglez » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:37 pm

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It's not MGS5 for sure. This was debuted during the VGAs and Nobody said anything about it being related to MGS at all. The only way I can think this being MGS5 is the damn hair the main character has. And since when has that been solid proof? Whoever started this rumor I say is just a big dumb ass troll. Ground Zeroes is the next MG game out and that's all that's been reported.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:45 pm

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Dude is a dead ringer for Solid Snake, I'll say that. Plus at the end, you can see what looks like the Sorrow Doll.

On the other hand...no, it can't be Solid Snake. He's dead, remember? Very very dead.

On the other other hand...well, a lot of this does smell fishy. The developer's domain name was only registered two weeks before the announcement. The company itself has literally no other information other than a barebones history. It's founder, Joakim Mogren...his first name is an anagram of Kojima, and Orge is the codename of Kojima's current project. And when it was announced, people wearing shirts with the studio's logo were sitting in Konami's VIP area.

If this is Metal Gear Solid 5, it's part of Kojima's biggest mind-fuck to date.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:57 am

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It cant be Solid, young or old, or a clone. It has to be Big Boss, right?
The prosthetic is what throws me off. It cant take place before Peacewalker if thats the case. It needs to be before Ground Zeros since Boss is an old prune in that one, and his arms are all covered up, so you cant really tell.

Kojima's mind **** me before I even have the game in hand. Good job?
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:30 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:It cant be Solid, young or old, or a clone. It has to be Big Boss, right?
The prosthetic is what throws me off. It cant take place before Peacewalker if thats the case. It needs to be before Ground Zeros since Boss is an old prune in that one, and his arms are all covered up, so you cant really tell.

Kojima's mind **** me before I even have the game in hand. Good job?


He had two functioning arms in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, as well as in MGS4.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:05 pm

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In MGS 4 he was reconstructed using parts of Ocelot and others, wasnt he? So it wouldn't really count. Even if he was constructed using prosthetics,
1 Again, they were covered,
2 we've seen how far prosthetics had come in MGS 4 . It's ahook in the trailer because it's a stand in for an upgraded model, such as Ocelot's or even Raiden's. Heck, they had fully functioning unmanned A.I in Peacewalker, who's to say his arm couldn't be prosthetic before MG1? It just wouldn't look that way. due to technological advances made at the time.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:39 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:In MGS 4 he was reconstructed using parts of Ocelot and others, wasnt he?So it wouldn't really count. Even if he was constructed using prosthetics,
1 Again, they were covered,
2 we've seen how far prosthetics had come in MGS 4 . It's ahook in the trailer because it's a stand in for an upgraded model, such as Ocelot's or even Raiden's. Heck, they had fully functioning unmanned A.I in Peacewalker, who's to say his arm couldn't be prosthetic before MG1? It just wouldn't look that way. due to technological advances made at the time.


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Looks like two arms to me.

And by the time MGS4 takes place, prosthetic arms look like obvious robotic parts.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:12 pm

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Thats a load of Pixels. Big Boss was reBUILT. Thats the story, and as for the the prosthetics in MGS 4, if they want them to, they can have them look just like human parts. Either way, it works out. Big Boss gets an upgraded model, thats the only way this could even work.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:59 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Thats a load of Pixels. Big Boss was reBUILT. Thats the story, and as for the the prosthetics in MGS 4, if they want them to, they can have them look just like human parts. Either way, it works out. Big Boss gets an upgraded model, thats the only way this could even work.


Find me a screenshot of someone with realistic prosthetics in MGS, because I can't think of a single one.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:11 am

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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:05 pm

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You know what's really crazy about that scene? They never talk about that being a new prosthetic body. I assumed they managed to attach human parts back on to him.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:32 pm

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Impossible.
The Cybernetic enhancements Raiden underwent at Area 51 make it impossible for him to survive with a normal body. Even if they are human arms, they are enhanced to suit him cybernetically, as at the time, his body ran on white blood. Thats not to say normal body parts cant be altered to run on the blood, but the fact remains. Those arms arent normal. So I suppose its possible Big Boss got an arm donated to him after this happened, but I'm not ruling anything out.

(Side question, I just realized Raiden's blood is red in Rising, how the hell?)
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:33 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Impossible.
The Cybernetic enhancements Raiden underwent at Area 51 make it impossible for him to survive with a normal body. Even if they are human arms, they are enhanced to suit him cybernetically, as at the time, his body ran on white blood. Thats not to say normal body parts cant be altered to run on the blood, but the fact remains. Those arms arent normal. So I suppose its possible Big Boss got an arm donated to him after this happened, but I'm not ruling anything out.


In MGS2, it's talked about that Raiden has the fake blood there too, and that his regular blood will be returned to him at the end of the mission. I assumed the Patriots reneged on this part of the deal, and his human parts were replaced as the normal ones stopped working, and that both blood and body were restored to normal at the end of MGS4 since everything you said wasn't brought up in-game. And if it is, it's a conversation no one decided to share with me.

BeastProwl wrote:(Side question, I just realized Raiden's blood is red in Rising, how the hell?)


Important MGS rule: Nanomachines. It's always nanomachines.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:35 pm

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I just played through MGS2, dont recall that.

Also, in the japanese version of MGS Rising, his blood is white, at least it is in this trailer. Why it was changed for the rest of us is anyone's guess. Maybe it being white brought on sexual controversy or something.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:41 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:I just played through MGS2, dont recall that.

Also, in the japanese version of MGS Rising, his blood is white, at least it is in this trailer. Why it was changed for the rest of us is anyone's guess. Maybe it being white brought on sexual controversy or something.


First off, nanomachines.

Second, if the white blood wasn't an issue when he was fighting Vamp I don't think it'd be a problem there.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:16 am

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Well, it would appear inappropriate to someone who isnt a Gearhead, and since Rising is catering to a to the fans as well as a different demographic, maybe they thought it wouldn't sit well?
"Bloods gotta be red, dafuq's this white ****? Looks more inappropriate than blood and gore on a god tier level because it also resembles semen somewhat"


Phantom Pain. Since Big Boss could have gotten a doner arm at any point after, hell even before MGS3, I'm really puzzled as to WTF is happening here, when its happening, and more importantly, who's invading the hospital. The sarrow doll could be a clue, it being in MGS4 as a tool passed down to Mantis by Ocelot or something. I bet all this crap happened to Snake before MGS3, Volgin, The Boss, etc, and he just cant remember any of it, because Zero f*cked with his head somehow, all of it somehow, probably with Nanomachines that didnt exist yet but they arent really Nanomachines but Nanomachine prototypes. all that leading up to Snake Eater. somehow

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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:11 am

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BeastProwl wrote:Well, it would appear inappropriate to someone who isnt a Gearhead, and since Rising is catering to a to the fans as well as a different demographic, maybe they thought it wouldn't sit well?
"Bloods gotta be red, dafuq's this white ****? Looks more inappropriate than blood and gore on a god tier level because it also resembles semen somewhat"


Androids in the Aliens movies all have white blood, same with the androids from Ghost in the Shell, and the Geth from Mass Effect. Th Frozeners from Policenauts also have white blood, and since Kojima likes to reference older works of his, Raiden's white blood is a reference to that.

White blood is actually very common in cyberpunk and sci-fi settings.

Vamp sure as hell figured out what it looked like, though, but he's Vamp so, yeah.

BeastProwl wrote:Phantom Pain. Since Big Boss could have gotten a doner arm at any point after, hell even before MGS3, I'm really puzzled as to WTF is happening here, when its happening, and more importantly, who's invading the hospital. The sarrow doll could be a clue, it being in MGS4 as a tool passed down to Mantis by Ocelot or something. I bet all this crap happened to Snake before MGS3, Volgin, The Boss, etc, and he just cant remember any of it, because Zero f*cked with his head somehow, all of it somehow, probably with Nanomachines that didnt exist yet but they arent really Nanomachines but Nanomachine prototypes. all that leading up to Snake Eater. somehow


Couldn't be any of them messing with his head; Zero didn't turn into a supervillain until after Snake Eater, the Boss technically never turned into a supervillain, and Volgin never met Snake until Snake Eater.

And the lead-in to Snake Eater was fairly innocent; a Soviet engineer was forced back to the USSR as part of a deal to settle down the Cuban Missile Crisis. Snake's job was a straight-forward snatch-and-grab. It wasn't until the Boss switched teams and the Philosophers got involved that things started getting tricky.

BeastProwl wrote:Or I'm delusional.


Was that ever in doubt?
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:08 am

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Then the removal of it is even more a mystery. Maybe it can be tweaked in the options? I hope so.

Well. Now to play the waiting game I suppose.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:14 pm

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Kojima fools none: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain confirmed.

And it's...Ground Zeroes? Now I'm confused. Hideo strikes again...
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:49 pm

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Also, not to nuke a dead horse, but Raiden's skin is artificial, as his body was reconstructed, given the full treatment. (Its how he was able to speak without using his mouth in MGS4, he didnt really have one) So the prosthetics are 100 percent possible. Hell, Big Boss could have been reconstructed from mostly prosthetics in MGS4.

Its also possible, though I doubt they would do it, to save Solid Snake from dying off so early, turning him into a Cyborg to prolong his life, and give him some muscle if needed. In Rising, they never really acknowledge that he's dead, just talk like he might be, so its technically all possible. Its a concept to work with. Hell they may be able to reverse the effects now that all that info from the patriots has leaked. Technology leapt ahead years at the end of SOP.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:23 pm

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So, ive gathered this much. That demonic fiery dude is Volgin, and the Horse is most likely big bosses old horse. That part of the game is either a dream, or a forced coma filled with VR brought on by zero so the les enfant terre project can get underway. He awakens 9 years after going under, a perfect set up for Outer Heaven since Mother Base got screwed it looks like. Bring in Solid Snake and end it there. Zanzabar land could be on PS4 or DLC or something.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:53 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:So, ive gathered this much. That demonic fiery dude is Volgin


It's an apparition, but yes, Volgin.

BeastProwl wrote:and the Horse is most likely big bosses old horse.


Big Boss had a horse? In any case, that's almost certainly Ocelot riding it.

BeastProwl wrote:That part of the game is either a dream, or a forced coma filled with VR brought on by zero


Considering we see a young boy wearing a rather distinctive gas mask....

BeastProwl wrote:so the les enfant terre project can get underway.


The Sons were born in 1972, two years before Peace Walker.

BeastProwl wrote:He awakens 9 years after going under, a perfect set up for Outer Heaven since Mother Base got screwed it looks like.


...how exactly is that a perfect setup for Outer Heaven? I'm missing a step here. In any case, he didn't set up Outer Heaven so he could just have a new base, he set up Outer Heaven so he could start a war. That's why he had Metal Gear.

BeastProwl wrote:Bring in Solid Snake and end it there. Zanzabar land could be on PS4 or DLC or something.


...why bring in Solid Snake, who would be, what, twelve years old at this point?
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby BeastProwl » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:39 pm

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Allright, than what do you suppose is happening then? Why the coma? Why was it NEVER brought up?

I had gathered that wad of random info from another site btw, i'm just as curious and in the dark as you are

And no Big Boss only had the horse for one mission in peacewalker, it originally belonged to "The Boss"

When was Miller assassinated again?
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby Shadowman » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:44 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Allright, than what do you suppose is happening then? Why the coma? Why was it NEVER brought up?


Probably the same reason Peace Walker hadn't been brought up in MGS4: It hadn't been written yet.

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2005. He hadn't been dead long by the time the Shadow Moses Incident went down.
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Re: The Phantom Pain: MGS 5?

Postby craggy » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:37 am

I've seen it reported that Ground Zeroes will be a different game. The trailer for Phantom Pain has more than a few of the same scenes in it though, so perhaps the two tie together very closely, or Ground Zeroes is sort of a prologue to MGS5?

There's a 3rd person in the hospital, likely the person with the bandages who helps Snake/Boss post-coma. All I've really got from the Ground Zeroes footage is Snake sneaking into a prison of some sorts. This third person with Kaz and Snake could be someone you rescue from the prison. Perhaps that rescue is the event which incites the apparent destruction of Mother Base that we see in this new Phantom Pain trailer?

I'm not 100% on the burned looking man from the trailers (XOF's boss), or the flaming man, or even the Psycho Mantis look-alike (although it is likely him) but I'm pretty sure the guy who comes in riding the horse is Ocelot. Looks just like him. If this is at least 9 years since Ground Zeroes, which itself is a few years after Snake Eater then he's had plenty of time to age.

Big Boss can have a prosthetic arm, and have it explained away very easily. We see a more robotic looking arm at the end of the trailer, and it's likely he has that until his extended coma when everyone is supposed to think he's dead. The original two Metal Gear (no Solid) games even mention Big Boss having become a cyborg as a result of injuries he received in battle.

It does seem like there's a lot of filler stuff being added in between the first Snake's story in MGS3 and the first Metal Gear/Outer Heaven incident, but if any of it is as good as Peace Walker, and it looks like these two games will be, I can't complain. I'd just really hope we do eventually get to Big Boss and Snake facing off in Zanzibar Land again at some point.
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