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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:40 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:I guess they ran out of ideas for stones and colors to name the games after.

What else would you names these two games, though? They aren't the typical "set in the same universe but a different region" or the "3rd version that just changes up a few things and focuses on a different Legendary" games.

Certainly a lot more interesting than "Pokemon Gray" people were predicting.

I want a pokemon game with EVERY region and EVERY pokemon, every trainer, every Gym, EVERYTHING thrown together, revamped, and have it made into a MMORPG.


I'd like to see it happen, don't get me wrong. But it's just so...impossible. To actually have everything in one game, they'd either need to stop making the individual games, or have massive content updates with the release of each new version, which diminishes the incentive to buy them.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby BeastProwl » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:07 pm

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But what about a brand new game? I mean, you'll be able to travel from region to region, make progress in each one, catch any wild up to legendary pokemon in each, and whatever region you choose to start off in, that's were you came from. You get to choose any one starter pokemon. It's such an expendable idea. They would need to flush out the leveling system greately though, or make it to were you can only have certain pokemon in certain areas. The Idea is flawed for the way the leveling system would have to work when coupled with how freely you can travel, but find a way to work out the kinks, and it'd be great!
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Noideaforaname » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:10 pm

I think by the time you'd get through two regions (FULL regions, not like GSC's Kanto) your original Pokemon team would max out in levels, which would mean the other 3 regions are all maxed out (killing the whole 'growth' aspect of the game) or would have to "reset" each time... which is basically like having all the games separately. Or each region would only go up, like, 20 levels.
Or it'd be a completely different type of game.

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby #Sideways# » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:15 pm

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I would love to see a Pokemon MMORPG, but I doubt very seriously they would put every single region into it. If they did, it would be another STO. High priced disk and a high priced subscription.

Anyway, does this mean that the first town you start in will not have a Professor Lab? The Professor Lab is in Nuvuema (I don't know how to spell it) Town, and that town is frozen!
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby BeastProwl » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:47 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:I would love to see a Pokemon MMORPG, but I doubt very seriously they would put every single region into it. If they did, it would be another STO. High priced disk and a high priced subscription.

Anyway, does this mean that the first town you start in will not have a Professor Lab? The Professor Lab is in Nuvuema (I don't know how to spell it) Town, and that town is frozen!

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:01 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:I would love to see a Pokemon MMORPG, but I doubt very seriously they would put every single region into it. If they did, it would be another STO. High priced disk and a high priced subscription.


Lemme guess, $60 for the disk, $15 a month for subscriptions? That's not high priced, that's average. Plus, STO (I'm assuming you mean Star Trek Online) is free-to-play so, yeah.

#Sideways# wrote:Anyway, does this mean that the first town you start in will not have a Professor Lab? The Professor Lab is in Nuvuema (I don't know how to spell it) Town, and that town is frozen!


It's not unheard of, the starting town in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum didn't have a Professor Lab.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby orangeitis » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:31 am

Shadowman wrote:I'd like to see it happen, don't get me wrong. But it's just so...impossible. To actually have everything in one game, they'd either need to stop making the individual games, or have massive content updates with the release of each new version, which diminishes the incentive to buy them.
Naaah. Subscription MMORPGs make TONS of cash. And it's Pokemon.

Though I'd like the MMO idea if legendaries were instance bosses rather than capturable.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby BeastProwl » Tue May 22, 2012 9:43 am

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby #Sideways# » Thu May 24, 2012 8:21 am

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 24, 2012 12:00 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:Whoa. Does anyone know what the heck they are saying?


Well, it's Pokemon. I suppose they're talking about the kinds of things you'd usually hear in the anime. Gonna defeat you, you'll never win, holy hell why did your Emboar just try to set me on fire, that kind of thing.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby #Sideways# » Thu May 24, 2012 12:37 pm

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#Sideways# wrote:I would love to see a Pokemon MMORPG, but I doubt very seriously they would put every single region into it. If they did, it would be another STO. High priced disk and a high priced subscription.


Lemme guess, $60 for the disk, $15 a month for subscriptions? That's not high priced, that's average. Plus, STO (I'm assuming you mean Star Trek Online) is free-to-play so, yeah.


It wasn't always like that. It seems they lowered their prices by a long shot.

What Star Trek Online's original prices were, was $50 for the Disk, then $30 monthly annual fee and about $200 for the yearly and about $400 lifetime subscription.*

*All of these are approximates. They could be lower or higher. I am pulling this from memory.

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#Sideways# wrote:Anyway, does this mean that the first town you start in will not have a Professor Lab? The Professor Lab is in Nuvuema (I don't know how to spell it) Town, and that town is frozen!


It's not unheard of, the starting town in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum didn't have a Professor Lab.


Forgot about DPPT. #-o

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Well, it's Pokemon. I suppose they're talking about the kinds of things you'd usually hear in the anime. Gonna defeat you, you'll never win, holy hell why did your Emboar just try to set me on fire, that kind of thing.


Yeah, I suppose.

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby BeastProwl » Thu May 24, 2012 1:16 pm

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Those new forms look like they fused with that legendary ice dragon pokemon. Possible? I mean, Iv'e never known a legendary to evolve before, but to fuse together into a greater form? I can see that.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 24, 2012 1:28 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Those new forms look like they fused with that legendary ice dragon pokemon. Possible? I mean, Iv'e never known a legendary to evolve before, but to fuse together into a greater form? I can see that.


The reason they both look like Kyurem is because they both are Kyurem. Just different variations. Apparently it has something to do with receiving power from Reshiram and Zekrom but nothing's really been confirmed yet.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby BeastProwl » Thu May 24, 2012 1:43 pm

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They sort of hinted at that in the last game didnt they? Like "He had awesome power, but his shell cracked, and his body froze..." Or something to that level.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby #Sideways# » Thu May 24, 2012 2:41 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Those new forms look like they fused with that legendary ice dragon pokemon. Possible? I mean, Iv'e never known a legendary to evolve before, but to fuse together into a greater form? I can see that.


The reason they both look like Kyurem is because they both are Kyurem. Just different variations. Apparently it has something to do with receiving power from Reshiram and Zekrom but nothing's really been confirmed yet.


Notice in Black 2 it has Zekrom and in White 2 it has Reshiram. In Black, N has Zekrom/Reshiram and later escapes with it for lands unseen. Could what was left of Plasma or perhaps even Team Rocket done some weird Mewtwo-esque experiment with N's Zekrom/Reshiram?
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 24, 2012 3:49 pm

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BeastProwl wrote:Those new forms look like they fused with that legendary ice dragon pokemon. Possible? I mean, Iv'e never known a legendary to evolve before, but to fuse together into a greater form? I can see that.


The reason they both look like Kyurem is because they both are Kyurem. Just different variations. Apparently it has something to do with receiving power from Reshiram and Zekrom but nothing's really been confirmed yet.


Notice in Black 2 it has Zekrom and in White 2 it has Reshiram. In Black, N has Zekrom/Reshiram and later escapes with it for lands unseen. Could what was left of Plasma or perhaps even Team Rocket done some weird Mewtwo-esque experiment with N's Zekrom/Reshiram?


That...didn't make a whole lot of sense.

For starters, yes, we noticed Kyurem has influences of the Reshiram and Zekrom. It's kind of hard to not notice, and we've even been over the fact that, in the movies at least, the change in Kyurem comes from receiving power from either one.

Second, no, N didn't escape with Reshiram or Zekrom. He let whichever one he caught go, then walked away. He's not even confirmed to return.

Third, Team Rocket is defunct, Giovanni even admits that the organization is over. Even so, they didn't make Mewtwo, though they paid for his creation, but only in the anime, which is very distinctly separate from the games.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Noideaforaname » Thu May 24, 2012 6:22 pm

Genesect is a 'weird Mewtwo-esque experiment' done by Team Plasma, though evidently done behind N's back (being a Pokemon lover he wanted the project cancelled). With N out of the picture, and potentially access to at least a shed feather or scale from whatever Legendary N would've had, certainly leaves the possibility of Black/White Kyurem being Plasma-influenced.

However, I think it's more likely that the Black/White forms are simply a natural ability of Kyurem. Perhaps something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom having been one and the same originally...

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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Thu May 24, 2012 8:10 pm

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Oh, well that blurry Rorschach test totally confirms it...

...What is it trying to confirm, by the way? I can't actually tell what it's trying to show me. Kind of looks like Kyurem.
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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby #Sideways# » Fri May 25, 2012 8:37 am

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Shadowman wrote:For starters, yes, we noticed Kyurem has influences of the Reshiram and Zekrom. It's kind of hard to not notice, and we've even been over the fact that, in the movies at least, the change in Kyurem comes from receiving power from either one.


Kinda hard to base on. For one, as you said below, in the Movie, Team Rocket funded the creation of Mewtwo. You can also catch nearly any Pokemon in a single Pokeball, which bugs me to no end. Latias and Latios can shapeshift into humans.

Shadowman wrote:Third, Team Rocket is defunct, Giovanni even admits that the organization is over. Even so, they didn't make Mewtwo, though they paid for his creation, but only in the anime, which is very distinctly separate from the games.


Yeah. I just threw that idea out there before I noticed the Plasma logo on the Plasma Grunts.

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Oh, well that blurry Rorschach test totally confirms it...

...What is it trying to confirm, by the way? I can't actually tell what it's trying to show me. Kind of looks like Kyurem.


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Re: Pokemon Black 2 and White 2

Postby Shadowman » Fri May 25, 2012 10:12 am

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#Sideways# wrote:Kinda hard to base on. For one, as you said below, in the Movie, Team Rocket funded the creation of Mewtwo. You can also catch nearly any Pokemon in a single Pokeball, which bugs me to no end. Latias and Latios can shapeshift into humans.


I know. That's how it happens in the anime. We don't know how it happens in the games, but the way you suggested replies on events that only happened in the anime.

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That is Reshiram.


Ah, so it would seem. Still impossible to tell who it is riding him. Can't be N, he let his legendary go.
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Re: The Pokémon Discussion Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri May 25, 2012 4:04 pm

- N bonds with Pokemon; "catches" Legendary and bonds with it
- you battle with N, then Ghetis; authorities come in and arrest Ghetis; N and you are left alone
- N talks with you, and releases Legendary from it's Pokeball; Legendary just sits in midair
- N bids you adieu, then credits flash suddenly pop up
- after credits, Legendary flies by with somebody riding it; N is said to be in a distant land with a Dragon Pokemon

I'm really not sure how else you could interpret that as anyone but N riding whatever Legendary it is zooming by at the end.
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Re: The Pokémon Discussion Thread

Postby Shadowman » Fri May 25, 2012 4:18 pm

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Noideaforaname wrote:- N bonds with Pokemon; "catches" Legendary and bonds with it
- you battle with N, then Ghetis; authorities come in and arrest Ghetis; N and you are left alone
- N talks with you, and releases Legendary from it's Pokeball; Legendary just sits in midair
- N bids you adieu, then credits flash suddenly pop up
- after credits, Legendary flies by with somebody riding it; N is said to be in a distant land with a Dragon Pokemon

I'm really not sure how else you could interpret that as anyone but N riding whatever Legendary it is zooming by at the end.


Because Reishiram returns to Dragonspiral Tower where you can catch him...

That said I was mostly basing this off of a bit of a wiki article I read...that seems to have changed since then...

That said, the fact that he got away doesn't mean he's going to be in this. I don't see any confirmation of Giovanni, Archie, Maxie or Cyrus coming back...
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Re: The Pokémon Discussion Thread

Postby #Sideways# » Sat May 26, 2012 8:17 am

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Noideaforaname wrote:- N bonds with Pokemon; "catches" Legendary and bonds with it
- you battle with N, then Ghetis; authorities come in and arrest Ghetis; N and you are left alone
- N talks with you, and releases Legendary from it's Pokeball; Legendary just sits in midair
- N bids you adieu, then credits flash suddenly pop up
- after credits, Legendary flies by with somebody riding it; N is said to be in a distant land with a Dragon Pokemon

I'm really not sure how else you could interpret that as anyone but N riding whatever Legendary it is zooming by at the end.


Because Reishiram returns to Dragonspiral Tower where you can catch him...

That said I was mostly basing this off of a bit of a wiki article I read...that seems to have changed since then...

That said, the fact that he got away doesn't mean he's going to be in this. I don't see any confirmation of Giovanni, Archie, Maxie or Cyrus coming back...


Perhaps a new enemy? Although the start of the trailer does make an interesting case:



If you pause it at about 20 seconds, we see the shadow of Kyurem/Reshiram/Zekrom flying overhead.

Good news, though! It looks like the ninjas are back!

With superhuman jumping and reflexes only capable by Spartans!

Even then...
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Re: The Pokémon Discussion Thread

Postby Blurrz » Thu May 31, 2012 4:56 pm

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5 staring my HG Trainer Card is stupid.

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Re: The Pokémon Discussion Thread

Postby #Sideways# » Thu May 31, 2012 8:16 pm

Motto: "If the ends justify the means, then life is just about as meaningless to you than the cause you think so highly of."
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Blurrz wrote:5 staring my HG Trainer Card is stupid.

I can't get far in the Battle Tower without getting Kingler Guillotine swept roflstomped before I can get even close to 100 wins in a row.


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