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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:15 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:TLC stole the show, though.


It's sad when you consider that, of the six guys involved in that match, only Edge managed to make a career out of himself. (Christian did pretty OK, I guess, but not on Edge's level. The Dudleys are still currently puttering around in TNA, right? And we ALL know what happened to the Hardys...)


Well, all that depends of a lot of things. Out of those guys, only Edge and Jeff Hardy were really charismatic. Christian as well, but as you said, not on Edge's level. The Dudleys are a package, they went a lot further as a tag team than they would have as individuals. I don't watch TNA (but I might start if Raw keeps going the way it is. WWE sucks now. They really dropped the ball with Lesnar.) so i don't know what they do. They Hardys? Yeah, that's a sad story. I think that even as a tag team or as individuals they had a lot of promise. They fulfilled some of them. But, they let the WWE abuse them and take advantage of them with all those TLC and Ladder matches and stuff, and now their bodies are paying the price. And the usual result is that they get hooked on painkillers and other stuff, and that's what happened to both of them. I think Jeff is worse off than Matt. I always thought that they could have turned Matt into a clean-cut Bret Hart-type character and wrestler. He even looks like a young Bret a little. But yeah, considering Edge, where he has been and that he ended up in the HOF, he definitely did the most with what he had. And a lot of people are begrudging him and the WWE the fact that he is in and a lot of other "deserving" old guys aren't. I think Edge deserves the HOF, and the other people are kept out by politics on both sides. It has nothing to do with recognition of talent.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:04 pm

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WrestleMania X-Seven. Much better than the previous, though I sometimes I still can't believe that finish to the main event. It effectively turned me off as a die-hard wrestling fan. After Austin's turn, I became more of a casual observer than a fan.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:43 pm

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WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:23 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.


at the time no one knew that Hogan was going to get that kind of reaction or the match would be THAT good.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:29 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.


at the time no one knew that Hogan was going to get that kind of reaction or the match would be THAT good.


Yeah, but Hogan and Rock are still bigger names than HHH and Jericho.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:24 pm

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WrestleMania XIX has to be one of the best overall PPVs. There were no weak matches on the card, the opener (Matt Hardy vs. Rey Mysterio) was the worst one, and it was pretty damn good.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:32 pm

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WrestleMania XX. Regardless of what Benoit did outside of the ring, he was a damn good performer. He deserved that win.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:07 pm

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WrestleMania 21. It was a lot of fun. Sadly, it began the championship run of Cena, thus diminishing the WWE title. Much like Mysterio did the year later and Daniel Bryan did recently with the world championship.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Darth Bombshell » Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:50 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:WrestleMania XX. Regardless of what Benoit did outside of the ring, he was a damn good performer. He deserved that win.


Yeah. Too bad it's unlikely to be remembered by anyone outside the current generation (unless they managed to get ahold of and keep handy DVD's pre-The Event), thanks to Vince McMahon's habit of whitewashing his hands of all responsibility.

You ever supposed the WWE will be able to get past what happened and add Benoit back to their library?
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:14 pm

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Darth Bombshell wrote:You ever supposed the WWE will be able to get past what happened and add Benoit back to their library?


Not as long as Vince is around. Even if he retires from the WWE altogether, I doubt Shane and Stephanie would do anything to go against him. After he dies (he's 66!) in about 20 years, maybe whoever runs the place (Shane is 42 now) will restore some of the footage, especially the WrestleMania stuff.

WrestleMania 22. Kind of a lame event, but not as bad as 14. Mysterio and Cena winning totally flushed it down the crapper, but a few things did make it memorable, such as HBK vs. McMahon, and the Hall of Fame. Too bad Vince decided to tear into Bret Hart for refusing to appear at WrestleMania.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Burn » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:25 am

I just don't get whoever's doing the booking at WWE.

Cena over Lesnar? WTF? Here's a good opportunity to put Lesnar over and a good way to write off Cena to give him a break, but instead Lesnar's done over in his first match back and Cena's still going to take time off? It's stupid. They may as well just feed Lesnar to Goldberg 2.0

As was putting the title on a returning Layla. Yeah, the Bella's are most likely out of the WWE in a few weeks, but if they want to take the title off them why not put it on someone who's already there (Natalya!) instead of someone who hasn't been around a year? Bring on Kharma already.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:32 am

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I knew it. No way Cena was gonna be made to lose 2 PPVs in a row. But I agree with Burn, this would have been perfect for Lesnar to establish himself as a monster.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Darth Bombshell » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:04 am

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Burn wrote:I just don't get whoever's doing the booking at WWE.

Cena over Lesnar? WTF? Here's a good opportunity to put Lesnar over and a good way to write off Cena to give him a break, but instead Lesnar's done over in his first match back and Cena's still going to take time off? It's stupid. They may as well just feed Lesnar to Goldberg 2.0

As was putting the title on a returning Layla. Yeah, the Bella's are most likely out of the WWE in a few weeks, but if they want to take the title off them why not put it on someone who's already there (Natalya!) instead of someone who hasn't been around a year? Bring on Kharma already.


We can add to that Cody Rhodes going over the Big Show after they made such a deal about Show winning at Wrestlemania. Then again, it was over the IC belt, and the belts don't mean anything anymore...
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Burn » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:52 pm

The way in which Cody won doesn't help either, as Show goes back to being a big bumbling goof.

Still, i'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:16 pm

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Burn wrote:I'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.


Yeah, actually I wouldn't have minded seeing Show lose at WrestleMania either, it would have only enhanced Cody. He's actually very good at being a douchebag, and is also giving credibility to the belt again because he happens to be a good wrestler.

I just watched the 1999 Survivor Series, 2000 No Mercy, and 2000 Survivor Series back-to-back-to-back. I don't think the WWE has created any better storylines than the mystery of "who ran over Stone Cold" in the last 12 years. I remember watching every Monday night to find out who did it and why. (Yes, I am aware that Austin needed neck surgery anyway, but the story was a lot of fun.)
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby slyder » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:45 pm

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Burn wrote:I'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.


Yeah, actually I wouldn't have minded seeing Show lose at WrestleMania either, it would have only enhanced Cody. He's actually very good at being a douchebag, and is also giving credibility to the belt again because he happens to be a good wrestler.

I just watched the 1999 Survivor Series, 2000 No Mercy, and 2000 Survivor Series back-to-back-to-back. I don't think the WWE has created any better storylines than the mystery of "who ran over Stone Cold" in the last 12 years. I remember watching every Monday night to find out who did it and why. (Yes, I am aware that Austin needed neck surgery anyway, but the story was a lot of fun.)


I actually liked the Who blew up the Limo thing until the Benoit situation made them end it. I thought that was an AWESOME way to write off Vince for a while and let him "retire". I agree with the thoughts that Lesnar should have gone over Cena, if Cena was taking time off.

I didn't get to watch the ppv though cause of finals prep coming up. I never got into Cody though, may just be personal preference but he was always (IMO) the less talented of Dusty's sons.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed May 02, 2012 7:57 pm

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WrestleMania 23. Pretty good event. I never watch the "main event" because I don't like Cena or HBK.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu May 03, 2012 12:35 am

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WrestleMania XXIV. It's been a while since I saw this, I forgot how good it is. One of the best 'Manias in a while. The card was solid all the way through, with the exception of the crap with Snoop Dogg and the divas. That was just stupid. I was so happy when Orton won, I was the only one rooting for him. Also, WWE should do more triple threat main events. They end up being really good, if the right people are in there.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu May 03, 2012 10:32 am

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WrestleMania 25. Another good event, if a bit lackluster compared to XXIV and XXVI. Another awesome MitB match, another triple threat title match. And Taker vs. HBK was just mind-blowing. Best match on the card by far.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 04, 2012 12:10 am

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Wrestlemania XXVI. One of the best overall Manias, probably in the top 3 for me. Orton, Hitman, Taker, all did awesome.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Burn » Fri May 04, 2012 5:06 am

I know this may sound shocking, but Natalya and Layla had a good match on Smackdown. I didn't feel the need to forward through a Diva match for once.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 04, 2012 5:44 am

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One of the rare instances when looks aren't the only thing? I know Natalya can wrestle, and Layla is OK. (But she is my type, though, a short brunette.)

WrestleMania XXVII. The 1st WM ever where I liked the outcome of every match.

Edge won.
Orton won.
The Corre lost.
Lawler won. (Yeah, I know it was reversed, but I don't count that. :P )
Mysterio lost. (I usually like his costumes but that one was just garbage.)
Ziggler and Laycool lost.
Undertaker won.
Cena lost.

Awesome.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Darth Bombshell » Fri May 04, 2012 6:51 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Awesome.


That's not really the word I'd use to describe that Wrestlemania. I mean, the eight man tag was over so fast if you went to get food, you missed it (and they redid it on that week's Smackdown, more than proving its status here as time filler). I know I said ATM, that Snooki was actually pretty good, but I also said that I was surprised how much I liked it given how low my expectations of it were. (Plus, with Trish involved, it was a given that they would win.) Taker/Trips was only served well with the question of whether or not the streak would end. Watched now with the knowledge that it's not, you realize how much time was wasted with Taker rolling around the mat like the tired old man he is. And Miz vs. Cena...I'm no Cena fan, but having Miz go over on the big show (no pun intended) didn't go well with me. I think Miz is a great heel, but he's NOT champion material.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri May 04, 2012 8:26 am

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Well, those are your opinions. I'm sticking with mine. :)

I can't wait until Tuesday, when WM XXVIII is released on DVD. Is it bad that I actually want to see the Hall of Fame ceremony more than the event itself? (Except maybe for Rock vs. Cena)
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Darth Bombshell » Fri May 04, 2012 10:23 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I can't wait until Tuesday, when WM XXVIII is released on DVD. Is it bad that I actually want to see the Hall of Fame ceremony more than the event itself? (Except maybe for Rock vs. Cena)


If it is, then I'm right there with you. Aside from Taker/Trips (everything the WM 27 match should have been but wasn't) and Rock/Cena (which actually managed to be good despite the overhype), nothing on the card actually interested me.
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