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[Rodimus Prime]

The official birth of the Austin era

I always thought that was the year before. That "I Quit" match with Bret made him. I mean, he was already accomplished in WCW and had talent, but that seriously cemented him as The Man.

Come to think of it, Bret "made" a lot of guys.

[chuckdawg1999]

The official birth of the Austin era

I always thought that was the year before. That "I Quit" match with Bret made him. I mean, he was already accomplished in WCW and had talent, but that seriously cemented him as The Man.

Come to think of it, Bret "made" a lot of guys.

I'm just following the company line. To me Austin was a star after his feud with Chris Adams in WCCW but that might just be me. You're right about Bret. I remember reading a story about WWF in the mid 80's about how Vince found the next Hogan in an Australian weight lifter. He had muscles and could do a back flip; that was all. His first match was with Bret who made him look so good Vince was sure he had a license to print money.

[Rodimus Prime]

I'm just following the company line. To me Austin was a star after his feud with Chris Adams in WCCW but that might just be me.

I agree, that did kick him off to be a big deal. But in WWE, he went through the Ringmaster, then even as Stone Cold he had DiBiase with him and he wasn't really let loose. When that feud with Bret came around in 1996, he played it right, (talked good on the mic, didn't get hurt) and milked the rub he got from Bret for all its worth. It culminated in "I Quit", and even if he actually did quit, he still would have been made.

You're right about Bret. I remember reading a story about WWF in the mid 80's about how Vince found the next Hogan in an Australian weight lifter. He had muscles and could do a back flip; that was all. His first match was with Bret who made him look so good Vince was sure he had a license to print money.

Hmm. Haven't heard that. I do own Bret's book from 2008, I've been planning on picking it up and reading it again. Maybe he'll mention it there.

WrestleMania XV. A huge improvement over 14. It was a lot of fun.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania 16. Also a disappointing event, with a crap finish to the main event. TLC stole the show, though.

[Darth Bombshell]

TLC stole the show, though.

It's sad when you consider that, of the six guys involved in that match, only Edge managed to make a career out of himself. (Christian did pretty OK, I guess, but not on Edge's level. The Dudleys are still currently puttering around in TNA, right? And we ALL know what happened to the Hardys...)

[Rodimus Prime]

TLC stole the show, though.

It's sad when you consider that, of the six guys involved in that match, only Edge managed to make a career out of himself. (Christian did pretty OK, I guess, but not on Edge's level. The Dudleys are still currently puttering around in TNA, right? And we ALL know what happened to the Hardys...)

Well, all that depends of a lot of things. Out of those guys, only Edge and Jeff Hardy were really charismatic. Christian as well, but as you said, not on Edge's level. The Dudleys are a package, they went a lot further as a tag team than they would have as individuals. I don't watch TNA (but I might start if Raw keeps going the way it is. WWE sucks now. They really dropped the ball with Lesnar.) so i don't know what they do. They Hardys? Yeah, that's a sad story. I think that even as a tag team or as individuals they had a lot of promise. They fulfilled some of them. But, they let the WWE abuse them and take advantage of them with all those TLC and Ladder matches and stuff, and now their bodies are paying the price. And the usual result is that they get hooked on painkillers and other stuff, and that's what happened to both of them. I think Jeff is worse off than Matt. I always thought that they could have turned Matt into a clean-cut Bret Hart-type character and wrestler. He even looks like a young Bret a little. But yeah, considering Edge, where he has been and that he ended up in the HOF, he definitely did the most with what he had. And a lot of people are begrudging him and the WWE the fact that he is in and a lot of other "deserving" old guys aren't. I think Edge deserves the HOF, and the other people are kept out by politics on both sides. It has nothing to do with recognition of talent.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania X-Seven. Much better than the previous, though I sometimes I still can't believe that finish to the main event. It effectively turned me off as a die-hard wrestling fan. After Austin's turn, I became more of a casual observer than a fan.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.

[chuckdawg1999]

WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.

at the time no one knew that Hogan was going to get that kind of reaction or the match would be THAT good.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania X-8 was pretty good. I can't believe Rock vs. Hogan wasn't the main event. I know there weren't "titles" on the line, but it was much more anticipated and a higher-energy match than HHH vs. Jericho. Only thing that match had over Icon vs. Icon was Stephanie in that skintight jumpsuit. DAMN.

at the time no one knew that Hogan was going to get that kind of reaction or the match would be THAT good.

Yeah, but Hogan and Rock are still bigger names than HHH and Jericho.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania XIX has to be one of the best overall PPVs. There were no weak matches on the card, the opener (Matt Hardy vs. Rey Mysterio) was the worst one, and it was pretty damn good.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania XX. Regardless of what Benoit did outside of the ring, he was a damn good performer. He deserved that win.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania 21. It was a lot of fun. Sadly, it began the championship run of Cena, thus diminishing the WWE title. Much like Mysterio did the year later and Daniel Bryan did recently with the world championship.

[Darth Bombshell]

WrestleMania XX. Regardless of what Benoit did outside of the ring, he was a damn good performer. He deserved that win.

Yeah. Too bad it's unlikely to be remembered by anyone outside the current generation (unless they managed to get ahold of and keep handy DVD's pre-The Event), thanks to Vince McMahon's habit of whitewashing his hands of all responsibility.

You ever supposed the WWE will be able to get past what happened and add Benoit back to their library?

[Rodimus Prime]

You ever supposed the WWE will be able to get past what happened and add Benoit back to their library?

Not as long as Vince is around. Even if he retires from the WWE altogether, I doubt Shane and Stephanie would do anything to go against him. After he dies (he's 66!) in about 20 years, maybe whoever runs the place (Shane is 42 now) will restore some of the footage, especially the WrestleMania stuff.

WrestleMania 22. Kind of a lame event, but not as bad as 14. Mysterio and Cena winning totally flushed it down the crapper, but a few things did make it memorable, such as HBK vs. McMahon, and the Hall of Fame. Too bad Vince decided to tear into Bret Hart for refusing to appear at WrestleMania.

[Burn]

I just don't get whoever's doing the booking at WWE.

Cena over Lesnar? WTF? Here's a good opportunity to put Lesnar over and a good way to write off Cena to give him a break, but instead Lesnar's done over in his first match back and Cena's still going to take time off? It's stupid. They may as well just feed Lesnar to Goldberg 2.0

As was putting the title on a returning Layla. Yeah, the Bella's are most likely out of the WWE in a few weeks, but if they want to take the title off them why not put it on someone who's already there (Natalya!) instead of someone who hasn't been around a year? Bring on Kharma already.

[Rodimus Prime]

I knew it. No way Cena was gonna be made to lose 2 PPVs in a row. But I agree with Burn, this would have been perfect for Lesnar to establish himself as a monster.

[Darth Bombshell]

I just don't get whoever's doing the booking at WWE.

Cena over Lesnar? WTF? Here's a good opportunity to put Lesnar over and a good way to write off Cena to give him a break, but instead Lesnar's done over in his first match back and Cena's still going to take time off? It's stupid. They may as well just feed Lesnar to Goldberg 2.0

As was putting the title on a returning Layla. Yeah, the Bella's are most likely out of the WWE in a few weeks, but if they want to take the title off them why not put it on someone who's already there (Natalya!) instead of someone who hasn't been around a year? Bring on Kharma already.

We can add to that Cody Rhodes going over the Big Show after they made such a deal about Show winning at Wrestlemania. Then again, it was over the IC belt, and the belts don't mean anything anymore...

[Burn]

The way in which Cody won doesn't help either, as Show goes back to being a big bumbling goof.

Still, i'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.

[Rodimus Prime]

I'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.

Yeah, actually I wouldn't have minded seeing Show lose at WrestleMania either, it would have only enhanced Cody. He's actually very good at being a douchebag, and is also giving credibility to the belt again because he happens to be a good wrestler.

I just watched the 1999 Survivor Series, 2000 No Mercy, and 2000 Survivor Series back-to-back-to-back. I don't think the WWE has created any better storylines than the mystery of "who ran over Stone Cold" in the last 12 years. I remember watching every Monday night to find out who did it and why. (Yes, I am aware that Austin needed neck surgery anyway, but the story was a lot of fun.)

[slyder]

I'd rather see Show going for the Heavyweight title, Cody as IC I don't mind, he just needs a decent feud.

Yeah, actually I wouldn't have minded seeing Show lose at WrestleMania either, it would have only enhanced Cody. He's actually very good at being a douchebag, and is also giving credibility to the belt again because he happens to be a good wrestler.

I just watched the 1999 Survivor Series, 2000 No Mercy, and 2000 Survivor Series back-to-back-to-back. I don't think the WWE has created any better storylines than the mystery of "who ran over Stone Cold" in the last 12 years. I remember watching every Monday night to find out who did it and why. (Yes, I am aware that Austin needed neck surgery anyway, but the story was a lot of fun.)

I actually liked the Who blew up the Limo thing until the Benoit situation made them end it. I thought that was an AWESOME way to write off Vince for a while and let him "retire". I agree with the thoughts that Lesnar should have gone over Cena, if Cena was taking time off.

I didn't get to watch the ppv though cause of finals prep coming up. I never got into Cody though, may just be personal preference but he was always (IMO) the less talented of Dusty's sons.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania 23. Pretty good event. I never watch the "main event" because I don't like Cena or HBK.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania XXIV. It's been a while since I saw this, I forgot how good it is. One of the best 'Manias in a while. The card was solid all the way through, with the exception of the crap with Snoop Dogg and the divas. That was just stupid. I was so happy when Orton won, I was the only one rooting for him. Also, WWE should do more triple threat main events. They end up being really good, if the right people are in there.

[Rodimus Prime]

WrestleMania 25. Another good event, if a bit lackluster compared to XXIV and XXVI. Another awesome MitB match, another triple threat title match. And Taker vs. HBK was just mind-blowing. Best match on the card by far.

[Rodimus Prime]

Wrestlemania XXVI. One of the best overall Manias, probably in the top 3 for me. Orton, Hitman, Taker, all did awesome.