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That'd be interesting, anyone agree?

Well, while it'd be cool, I don't really see why it's needed.
I think it would work better in a series though, where it can be drawn out to full effect.

Ok, be careful reading this if you don't want surprises spoiled, even though I don't know if this is all correct:

I believe I read somewhere that the Autobots would actually be betrayed in DOTM. Who is this character? We have no idea. But I have a theory...so don't read it if you hate spoiled surprises, even though I could be wrong.


Since Ironhide was absent from the Autobots in the DOTM filming at Kennedy Space Center, he may have either been killed or left the Autobots at this point in the film.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Ok, be careful reading this if you don't want surprises spoiled, even though I don't know if this is all correct:

Since Ironhide was absent from the Autobots in the DOTM filming at Kennedy Space Center, he may have either been killed or left the Autobots at this point in the film.

No way!

My vote it Ironhide! Ever since the first movie, I was unsure of his loyalty to the Autobot cause, he always seemed...unstable. In ROTF I thought he was either going to die or betray the Autobots, but it didn't happen.

There's no way Ironhide would betray Optimus! He's an Autobot, GOD DAMN IT! ARMORHIDE is the one who fit's the part, NOT IRONHIDE! OPTIMUS IS HIS DAMN CLOSEST COMRADE! He wouldn't betray HIM! I'd rather see him die in battle than betray the'bots! And obviously neither choice is acceptable.

Ironhide would be extremely low on the list of traitors.

I never said I was confident it was Ironhide, but just from given evidence he would logically fit the part. I also agree he seems very loyal to Optimus and his comrades. But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...something I have found peculiar. Plus, I don't think he would defect just on his own. The 'Cons would probably try to sway him by stirring his emotions and make him think the 'Bots are his real enemy somehow, possibly after being injured and held hostage or something.

Red 50 wrote:There's no way Ironhide would betray Optimus! He's an Autobot, GOD DAMN IT! OPTIMUS IS HIS DAMN CLOSEST COMRADE! He wouldn't betray HIM!

Exactly...
Why not be unpredictable?
Do you want to go into a movie knowing exactly what will and will not happen? I don't even know anything, and I don't want to. I think DOTM will be full of surprises though.

And there's always going to be a traitor somewhere along the line...

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

There are many aspects of the Transformers that have been re-done in the movie series. I wouldn't be surprised if this makes it's way into the 3rd installment. It seems cliche but will be interesting to see who it is and how it's done. I would rather wait to see what happens when it hits theatres.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

No, I just mean that Ironhide is just a bit angrier in general. Bumblebee isn't the one who aimed his weapons at Sam when he first saw him.
And that puny cat bot had it coming to him.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

No, I just mean that Ironhide is just a bit angrier in general. Bumblebee isn't the one who aimed his weapons at Sam when he first saw him.
And that puny cat bot had it coming to him.

In defense of Ironhide, he's been in war. Primus knows how many friends he has lost.

About the fact that he pointed his guns at Sam: What would your reaction be, when you've been in a long-long war, probably lost dozens of your comrades, and then discover, that the key to end the war and probably save your race, lies in the hands of a young specimen of a small, weak and in comparision too his, a primitive race of organics. A frustration hard to hide.

And yet, he was willing to protect him from the Decepticons. TWICE!

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

No, I just mean that Ironhide is just a bit angrier in general. Bumblebee isn't the one who aimed his weapons at Sam when he first saw him.
And that puny cat bot had it coming to him.

I dunno, ripping someone's spine out seems more angrier than flashing your guns around.

I'm sorry for my previous angry statements and posts. I got a bit out of the line and, um, sorry for that.

It's just that I can't immagine Ironhide as a traitor. I mean, many have idolised him. It's like The Shattered Glass Optimus Prime. Him as a traitor, it just doesn't fit.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

No, I just mean that Ironhide is just a bit angrier in general. Bumblebee isn't the one who aimed his weapons at Sam when he first saw him.
And that puny cat bot had it coming to him.

I dunno, ripping someone's spine out seems more angrier than flashing your guns around.

Yes, it is rather violent and...bloody..if you can say that about robots.

Now, this is gonna be out of topic...

I was wondering, if Soundwave's SAT-mode is that big compared to Ravage, then how big's gonna Soundwave be in the movie?

A defecting hero sounds too cliché to me. No, I don't want to see that. The film certainly doesn't "need" it; I don't think any story has ever needed a betrayal to be a good story.

I certainly don't think it could possibly be Ironhide. He's shown no qualities that would make him seem likely to join the 'cons. In fact, his main personality trait so far is "always eager to kill Decepticons." I really, really don't see him fighting alongside them without a full lobotomy on his personality.

Forward 2.0 wrote:I certainly don't think it could possibly be Ironhide. He's shown no qualities that would make him seem likely to join the 'cons. In fact, his main personality trait so far is "always eager to kill Decepticons." I really, really don't see him fighting alongside them without a full lobotomy on his personality.

Hmm, you have a point there.

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

In all fairness, that was in self-defense. Ironhide had suggested killing Sam's parents and dog, none of whom made any form of threat.

it will be unicron, ive already explained why he is the guy in the trailer, he will be recovered by the autobots and pretend to be on there side, then he will turn on them and either join the decepticons or be on his own side

Some of the Toys from ROTF had a Black bumblebee. This colour scheme has occurred on a few more bumblebee toys more recently. I know it's not likely but I wondered back then if this might be an evil or decepticon version of bumblebee. I'm a great believer in that looking at the toy ranges can give major hints as to potential story lines, due to the fact that the toys have to be put into production at such an early stage.


Anyhew I guess the title from one of the books or parts of the book or whatever that was mistakenly leaked on amazon states that the Autobots will be betrayed means it has to be there somewhere in the film. It could be simply betrayal by humans, turning them over to Decepticons to end the war on earth. This theme was hinted at in ROTF and there have been set photos with the graffiti slogans "autobots go home".

p.s. Dont shout at me if this has already been mentioned

Noideaforaname wrote:

Burn wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:But he has rather agressive and violent tendancies...

So Bumblebee ripping out Ravage's spine was just a cranky moment?

In all fairness, that was in self-defense. Ironhide had suggested killing Sam's parents and dog, none of whom made any form of threat.

Well, they were, in his words, "Irritating". When a bug is bothering you, do you try to ignore and protect it or try to get rid of it?

Tough he has higher morality to answer, than we with bugs. So he couldn't actally harm them.

The Autobots could easily be betrayed by:

*Patrick Dempseys' character, who seems to start off as a friend or colleague of either Sam or Carly, but apparently tries to kill Sam at the end, (and appears to be driving around in a Car that looks a lot like SideWays, who was a courier, and therefore could easily have been a message-arranger with Dempseys character in the unseen backstory of TF1 and the time gap from TF1 to the opening sequences of RoTf).

*Wheelie, who is prone to be terrorized back into Decepticon submission (tho I secretly suspect he may die in the same rumored 'failed assissination attempt on Sam' which allegedly kills Mikaela instead: in fact I ASSUME Wheelie will become Mikaelas 'bonded pal' as Bumblebee is to Sam).

*The Stunticons/Wreckers, who could easily start off as one group and then become the other (and actually continue to switch back and forth between factions several times over).

*Sams friend, Leo, who MAY become resentful of Sams centrality to the robot war after Leo prided himself on the internet site he ran in University and want a bigger take on events, thereby opening possibilities for 'bargaining' with Megzy or Shockwave.

*Shockwave, whom the Autobots don't necessarily need to have heard of before they meet him in this reality (he may actually betray the Autobots and Deceps both, tho I wouldn't anticipate him as a herald of Unicron in motive, I'd defenitely see how the Dictator of Cybertron would have his own secret police out to finish off any upstarts, be they Megz, Opty and/or the fallen, with Shockwave himself tackling the heavier objective).

*The not-Jolt-may-be-Wheeljack-blue-car-fiber-optic-Einstein-hair-robot "Q" (or "Cue") has been given a generic Mad Scientist vibe by some discussions which could make him a crazy Autobot newcomer with closet Decepticon 'values' in the long run.

*The Humans themselves, who are already on a 'Robots:Go Home' campaign which implies to be growing in popularity.

*The big red firetruck: I've heard this may be another Prime (Sentinel, I think it was said). He wouldn't betray the Autobots by action, but by news: He could easily arrive with a 'dark secret' or 'dark revelation' that either dashes Autobot hopes altogether or plays out as a catch-22 situation where they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't do something or other.

*The blue vintage car (assuming it's a Bot) that arrives with the 'important looking SUVs at the Chicago fight:
Remembering that 'Bee (at least we assume it's 'Bee) takes on a vintage mode at some point, and for a while, (and that 'Bee is effectively an undercover agent), it's possible another TF is causing trouble during the Cold War period that 'Bee is moved by Optimus to intercept and deal with.
There was time travel talk surrounding this news about the vintage 'Bee mode, too, and a time bridge could be provided by the Firetruck-bot, but ultimately, the vintage blue car (assuming it's a Bot) arrives at the Chicago fight in present day in its' antiquated Altmode, so if there is a time travel mission, it may be a failed one.
(My best guess is that there's a whole mini community of (active, not dormant like Jetfire) old Altmode Tfs hiding out somewhere remote since the Cold War, and Megz finds them first).

The Autobot Matrix: Figuratively speaking, it can be construed as having 'betrayed' Ultra Magnus on Junkion, and actually 'all Autobots in their darkest hour' as a consequence of that moment.
(Some fans or speculators could go so far as to say that 'whiney' and 'insecure' Rodimus Prime as the 'choice' of the Matrix was yet another betrayal as many have made points that he is/was/will be an unfit leader).
(Off topic: My personal counterargument here is that HotRod simply set the Matrix to him, and it wasn't reset properly before Ultra Magnus tried to interface with it,but still waiting for HotRod to 'click Yes' whilst Rodimus Prime was an appropriate crisis leader and migration chieftain whilst Optimus was perfect as the embodiment of the disappearing Cybertronian and Autobot way).


But of course all of this is just speculation.

If I had to gamble for an Autobot faction turncoat I would guess Dempseys' Character, the Matrix (or an AllSpark shard or other artefact) together with the Firetruck or "Q/cue" in that order.

If any of the autobots were to switch sides, it would probably be Sideswipe. For some reason, he seems like the brash reckless type warrior.