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Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Powersurge wrote:

Kextor wrote:.....And the lack of HD capable parts makes it that much more crap in this day and age.

Well not everyone wants that in a gaming device.

Especially people who don't have HDTVs, which would be the majority of the country.... hell, the world for that matter.

Exactly. The Wii appeals to a wide market, and the HD owning market is not very wide at all. Hell, I doubt that many people have a flat-screen TV! I for one own a round-screen TV.

Powersurge wrote:

Kextor wrote:

Powersurge wrote:

Kextor wrote:.....of course the Wii is gonna sell more its so cheap to make due to its crappy parts.....

Crappy as in?

Its cheaper than the other two cause it doesn't have all the other internal components that make the 360 and PS3 do multiple tasks, its simply a gaming device, not an all-in-one powerhouse, and its an easy to use and play device, so anyone that can do little flicks of the wrist can pick it up and play (when i get one I'm looking forward to getting my Nana and grandad on it and see how they go!).

And i have played with one in store and i must say the Wii-mote does feel light and a bit empty compared to my Xbox remote, but that doesn't mean its cheaply built.

The parts are crap and are cheap compared to the parts in the other 2 so yes that would make it cheaply built since the parts are drastically cheaper then the parts needed for the other 2 systems.

Oh boy!

Ok, just cause it is cheaper, does not mean that its made of crap parts, like the DS Lite is cheaper than the PSP, but it doesn't feel cheap and "crappy" (Its made in the same design as the Wii, and as far as i can tell, more or less the same materials too), nor has it fallen apart on me, and trust me, i manhandle my electrical equipment!

Ok, to anyone here that owns a Wii, has it fallen apart, or do you feel that is made from "crappy" parts?!?!

Typical nintendo fanboy never listens... The parts are crap,
examples:
Processor-
Wii uses a 2002-2003 processor that no one knows even the clock rate or FSB or L2 of it, rumored to be clocked at 729 mhz but no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 3.2 Ghz with 512mb L2 Cache and a 25.6 GB/s FSB
360- 3.2 Ghz with 1gb and a 21.6 Gb/s FSB

GPU
Wii- whats this? Nintendo will not give release notes on what its clocked at? Why would they do that to themselves? Rumored to be clocked at 243 mhz but again no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 256mb NVIDIA G70 with 256mb of VRAM for the graphics card itself and clocked at 700mhz
360- ATI Xenos 256mb clocked at 500mhz 10 mb of VRAM

On Board RAM-
Wii- 88mb wow...
Ps3- 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM decent amount... could use 512
360- 512 MiB of 700 megahertz GDDR3 RAM on a 128-bit bus

Sound-
Wii- Stereo - Dolby Pro Logic II-capable... wow how out of date
Ps3- 7.1 digital audio, Dolby TrueHD, and many other sound and audio capabilitys
360- 5.1-channel Dolby Digital surround sound with 32bit processing

Storage-
Wii- 512mb of flash storage oooo scary though the SD cards are pretty useful,
Ps3- 20gb - 60gb harddrives, ethernet, usb 2.0 capable with flash drives, bluetooth 2.0, HDMI 1.3 capable of from 480i up to 1080p
360- 12x DVD drive, 20gb detachable harddrive, usb 2.0, now capable of 1080p

So yea as you can see the other 2 systems have parts that are quite costly and shows as to why they are at the prices they are and comparing parts by parts the Wii is 1 generation behind on hardware.

Edit: also I never said anything about parts falling apart of anything of the PSP or DS, please do not bring in a new conversation when we are clearly not talking about those devices.

Autobobby1 wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Powersurge wrote:

Kextor wrote:.....And the lack of HD capable parts makes it that much more crap in this day and age.

Well not everyone wants that in a gaming device.

Especially people who don't have HDTVs, which would be the majority of the country.... hell, the world for that matter.

Exactly. The Wii appeals to a wide market, and the HD owning market is not very wide at all. Hell, I doubt that many people have a flat-screen TV! I for one own a round-screen TV.

You are quite wrong, the HD market has been alive and kicking since before the millennium and CRTs(what u call a round TV) have been the top of the line TV for years and were the first that were made HD capable. Most people are going to be getting a HDTV in the next 4-5 years because all the channels are slowly converting up and people are realizing that HD is what is the present and the future, hell they already have Super HD cameras in japan.

Kextor wrote:Typical nintendo fanboy never listens... The parts are crap,
examples:
Processor-
Wii uses a 2002-2003 processor that no one knows even the clock rate or FSB or L2 of it, rumored to be clocked at 729 mhz but no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 3.2 Ghz with 512mb L2 Cache and a 25.6 GB/s FSB
360- 3.2 Ghz with 1gb and a 21.6 Gb/s FSB

GPU
Wii- whats this? Nintendo will not give release notes on what its clocked at? Why would they do that to themselves? Rumored to be clocked at 243 mhz but again no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 256mb NVIDIA G70 with 256mb of VRAM for the graphics card itself and clocked at 700mhz
360- ATI Xenos 256mb clocked at 500mhz 10 mb of VRAM

On Board RAM-
Wii- 88mb wow...
Ps3- 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM decent amount... could use 512
360- 512 MiB of 700 megahertz GDDR3 RAM on a 128-bit bus

Sound-
Wii- Stereo - Dolby Pro Logic II-capable... wow how out of date
Ps3- 7.1 digital audio, Dolby TrueHD, and many other sound and audio capabilitys
360- 5.1-channel Dolby Digital surround sound with 32bit processing

Storage-
Wii- 512mb of flash storage oooo scary though the SD cards are pretty useful,
Ps3- 20gb - 60gb harddrives, ethernet, usb 2.0 capable with flash drives, bluetooth 2.0, HDMI 1.3 capable of from 480i up to 1080p
360- 12x DVD drive, 20gb detachable harddrive, usb 2.0, now capable of 1080p

So yea as you can see the other 2 systems have parts that are quite costly and shows as to why they are at the prices they are and comparing parts by parts the Wii is 1 generation behind on hardware.

Yes, but Nintendo is making up for that with good games and the Wii-mote that allows for exclusives and better functionality and/or different gameplay on multi-platform titles. I don't see the point in your memory argument, seeing as the Wii is so much cheaper that you can buy flash cards.

We all know that the Wii is less powerful. But, it has better games.

Kextor wrote:You are quite wrong, the HD market has been alive and kicking since before the millennium and CRTs(what u call a round TV) have been the top of the line TV for years and were the first that were made HD capable. Most people are going to be getting a HDTV in the next 4-5 years because all the channels are slowly converting up and people are realizing that HD is what is the present and the future, hell they already have Super HD cameras in japan.

Kextor, you are wrong. Just face it. HDTV is not that common. It's hyped, and everybody wants it, but not many NORMAL people have it. Japan is high-tech. They're a bad example. We're talking America/Australia/UK/Canada. Honestly, you sound like Sony. "THIS IS THE FUTURE! EVERYBODY NEEDS THIS!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!11!!one!!!!!!!"

Kextor wrote:...going to be getting a HDTV in the next 4-5 years...

"Going to" are the key words here. Not many people can afford it right now.

Kextor wrote:Edit: also I never said anything about parts falling apart of anything of the PSP or DS, please do not bring in a new conversation when we are clearly not talking about those devices.

I used them as examples, since they are made by the two main companys that make the consoles we are disscusing.

Autobobby1 wrote:

Kextor wrote:Typical nintendo fanboy never listens... The parts are crap,
examples:
Processor-
Wii uses a 2002-2003 processor that no one knows even the clock rate or FSB or L2 of it, rumored to be clocked at 729 mhz but no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 3.2 Ghz with 512mb L2 Cache and a 25.6 GB/s FSB
360- 3.2 Ghz with 1gb and a 21.6 Gb/s FSB

GPU
Wii- whats this? Nintendo will not give release notes on what its clocked at? Why would they do that to themselves? Rumored to be clocked at 243 mhz but again no confirmation from Nintendo on this.
Ps3- 256mb NVIDIA G70 with 256mb of VRAM for the graphics card itself and clocked at 700mhz
360- ATI Xenos 256mb clocked at 500mhz 10 mb of VRAM

On Board RAM-
Wii- 88mb wow...
Ps3- 256 MB of Rambus XDR DRAM decent amount... could use 512
360- 512 MiB of 700 megahertz GDDR3 RAM on a 128-bit bus

Sound-
Wii- Stereo - Dolby Pro Logic II-capable... wow how out of date
Ps3- 7.1 digital audio, Dolby TrueHD, and many other sound and audio capabilitys
360- 5.1-channel Dolby Digital surround sound with 32bit processing

Storage-
Wii- 512mb of flash storage oooo scary though the SD cards are pretty useful,
Ps3- 20gb - 60gb harddrives, ethernet, usb 2.0 capable with flash drives, bluetooth 2.0, HDMI 1.3 capable of from 480i up to 1080p
360- 12x DVD drive, 20gb detachable harddrive, usb 2.0, now capable of 1080p

So yea as you can see the other 2 systems have parts that are quite costly and shows as to why they are at the prices they are and comparing parts by parts the Wii is 1 generation behind on hardware.

Yes, but Nintendo is making up for that with good games and the Wii-mote that allows for exclusives and better functionality and/or different gameplay on multi-platform titles. I don't see the point in your memory argument, seeing as the Wii is so much cheaper that you can buy flash cards.

We all know that the Wii is less powerful. But, it has better games.

Kextor wrote:You are quite wrong, the HD market has been alive and kicking since before the millennium and CRTs(what u call a round TV) have been the top of the line TV for years and were the first that were made HD capable. Most people are going to be getting a HDTV in the next 4-5 years because all the channels are slowly converting up and people are realizing that HD is what is the present and the future, hell they already have Super HD cameras in japan.

Kextor, you are wrong. Just face it. HDTV is not that common. It's hyped, and everybody wants it, but not many NORMAL people have it. Japan is high-tech. They're a bad example. We're talking America/Australia/UK/Canada. Honestly, you sound like Sony. "THIS IS THE FUTURE! EVERYBODY NEEDS THIS!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!11!!one!!!!!!!"

Kextor wrote:...going to be getting a HDTV in the next 4-5 years...

"Going to" are the key words here. Not many people can afford it right now.

Canada has quite a few HD channels and since all broadcasting signals in a couple years will have 720p or 1080p signals then yea HDTVs will be needed unless u don't wanna enjoy it.

And HDTVs are quite cheap, you can get a nice CRT 20' for only 300$.

And better games? Frankily they all have put out decent games in the past couple months, and Powersurge here asked how it was crappy so I told him how the Wii is crappy hardware wise.

Powersurge wrote:

Kextor wrote:Edit: also I never said anything about parts falling apart of anything of the PSP or DS, please do not bring in a new conversation when we are clearly not talking about those devices.

I used them as examples, since they are made by the two main companys that make the consoles we are disscusing.

Yes but the handheld market is too much different then the console market and frankly most of the stuff about people saying the PsP and DS when they first came out was bull, wasen't there a rumor or something sayin the DS attacked a person and a PsP killed someone? Its all crap by the media, hell I want a DS and all the consoles but its just not worth it right now there are still too many bugs in the systems.

...so I told him how the Wii is crappy hardware wise.

I don't care about hardware that much. I don't think it should be this big of an issue. The question is: which has better games?

This is why I got a DS before a PSP. The PSP has better tech, but the DS has better games. Same with Wii vs. 360.

When's the last time you went into a TRU and herd a little kid say "The Wii has Mario YAY!!! But, the 360 has a 20 gig flash-drive and better graphics..."?

Autobobby1 wrote:

...so I told him how the Wii is crappy hardware wise.

I don't care about hardware that much. I don't think it should be this big of an issue. The question is: which has better games?

This is why I got a DS before a PSP. The PSP has better tech, but the DS has better games. Same with Wii vs. 360.

True enough, the DS has a bigger and more expanding line up then the PSP will ever have. The Wii vs the 360 though that would be a bit close, the 360 did have the upper hand by being released really early.

Autobobby1 wrote:

...so I told him how the Wii is crappy hardware wise.

I don't care about hardware that much. I don't think it should be this big of an issue. The question is: which has better games?

This is why I got a DS before a PSP. The PSP has better tech, but the DS has better games. Same with Wii vs. 360.

When's the last time you went into a TRU and herd a little kid say "The Wii has Mario YAY!!! But, the 360 has a 20 gig flash-drive and better graphics..."?

Thank you, someone who sees my point.