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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Doubledealer93 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:48 pm

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gbm wrote:I mean, cooooooome on already with these ridiculous re-paints!!!!!

Kup/Swerve/Hoist?????

What a shame. Hoist and Trailbreaker were my fav g1 figures too....what a shame to see Hoist given such a lazy reincarnation.


im not really disappointed im just not impressed.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby RAcast » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:10 pm

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gbm wrote:oh really? My bad. I thought this was supposed to be a G1 Hoist.

#-o Gotta keep things in perspective, my friend. :)


Not a matter of perspective....more like a matter of "me reading the entire article next time." :P

That too! :grin: No worries, worse mistakes have been made. :BOT:
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby headsortails » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:17 pm

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I'm gonna pass on this. He looks cool, but since I'm not attending the Con, the price for me will be too high, especially since it's just a repaint and different head. I have much better things in mind to put that money to.....
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Overcracker » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:07 pm

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Just to remind everybody. Botcon exclusives have always been and will always be repaints of existing molds. Sometimes with new head sculpts but that's it.

If you were expecting new molds out of Botcon releases you have no idea how Botcon works.

I can understand not liking the figure or being underwhelmed by it, but saying its not worth it, or a bad deal because its a repaint is just well silly. As they are all repaints. So it should not be an issue that its a repaint.

Personally, I like Machine Wars Hoist. I have no issues with it. However I'm not a fan of the Kup mold, so I hope the next reveals are a little nicer.

And yes they will be repaints.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Bowspearer » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:15 pm

RAcast wrote:With the exception of the lack of crane (which is an easy Shapeways fix if it bug you that much), it's pretty spot on to the original. Definitely an awesomely well done update.


Which to be honest is a bit like saying, "with the exception of supporting beams, it makes a pretty good building".

Overcracker wrote:Just to remind everybody. Botcon exclusives have always been and will always be repaints of existing molds. Sometimes with new head sculpts but that's it.


Which is where FP have no excuses here. They have a history of remoulding parts to make existing moulds work so there is no reason why a crane/gun couldn't have been arranged here too- especially as Hubcap is also bound to be sold at Botcon.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Overcracker » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:34 pm

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When have they remolded parts? They make new heads, but that's as far as they go. They've never added accessories to molds ever that I can remember.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Bowspearer » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:39 pm

Overcracker wrote:When have they remolded parts? They make new heads, but that's as far as they go. They've never added accessories to molds ever that I can remember.


Except that you've contradicted yourself there. Rescuplting a head is rescuplting a part of the figure. Granted this skates on the thin edge of sculpting accessories, however the crane in this case is as integral a part of the vehicle mode as the head is part of the robot mode.

Also bear in mind that head sculpting didn't originally happen either, until there was a need for it. Well now there's a need to do the same with an accessory that would form an integral part of the vehicle mode.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:17 am

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Overcracker wrote:When have they remolded parts? They make new heads, but that's as far as they go. They've never added accessories to molds ever that I can remember.


Except that you've contradicted yourself there. Rescuplting a head is rescuplting a part of the figure. Granted this skates on the thin edge of sculpting accessories, however the crane in this case is as integral a part of the vehicle mode as the head is part of the robot mode.

Also bear in mind that head sculpting didn't originally happen either, until there was a need for it. Well now there's a need to do the same with an accessory that would form an integral part of the vehicle mode.


The only time a new part other than a head was made was for BotCon 2007 Thrust, he got a new set of wings and tail fins, including the VTOL fans. Thrust's wings were so radically different from the basic Seeker wings and Ramjet's, they decided that between Thrust and Dirge, Thrust should be the one getting the new parts. Now, we have the Gentei/Generations wing set for the both of them. Go figure.

What they basically do is not retool the base mold, rather they create a whole new mold for the head alone. And that's not cheap either. Since larger parts cost more to make, plus since Hoist has been a pickup before (think Universe Spychanger and the more recent GDO Legend) I can live with Hoist not having a crane assembly this time around.

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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Mkall » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:18 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Bowspearer wrote:
Overcracker wrote:When have they remolded parts? They make new heads, but that's as far as they go. They've never added accessories to molds ever that I can remember.


Except that you've contradicted yourself there. Rescuplting a head is rescuplting a part of the figure. Granted this skates on the thin edge of sculpting accessories, however the crane in this case is as integral a part of the vehicle mode as the head is part of the robot mode.

Also bear in mind that head sculpting didn't originally happen either, until there was a need for it. Well now there's a need to do the same with an accessory that would form an integral part of the vehicle mode.


The only time a new part other than a head was made was for BotCon 2007 Thrust, he got a new set of wings and tail fins, including the VTOL fans. Thrust's wings were so radically different from the basic Seeker wings and Ramjet's, they decided that between Thrust and Dirge, Thrust should be the one getting the new parts. Now, we have the Gentei/Generations wing set for the both of them. Go figure.

Also 2005 Ratchet got a lightbar/scanner/gun thing.

I always preferred Thrust's Botcon wings to what was put out at mass retail. I actually suspect that was done intentionally, but that's a conspiracy theory for another thread.
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Re: This "new" Hoist is disappointing me :(

Postby Overcracker » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:02 pm

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Bowspearer wrote:
Overcracker wrote:When have they remolded parts? They make new heads, but that's as far as they go. They've never added accessories to molds ever that I can remember.


Except that you've contradicted yourself there. Rescuplting a head is rescuplting a part of the figure. Granted this skates on the thin edge of sculpting accessories, however the crane in this case is as integral a part of the vehicle mode as the head is part of the robot mode.

Also bear in mind that head sculpting didn't originally happen either, until there was a need for it. Well now there's a need to do the same with an accessory that would form an integral part of the vehicle mode.


The only time a new part other than a head was made was for BotCon 2007 Thrust, he got a new set of wings and tail fins, including the VTOL fans. Thrust's wings were so radically different from the basic Seeker wings and Ramjet's, they decided that between Thrust and Dirge, Thrust should be the one getting the new parts. Now, we have the Gentei/Generations wing set for the both of them. Go figure.

What they basically do is not retool the base mold, rather they create a whole new mold for the head alone. And that's not cheap either. Since larger parts cost more to make, plus since Hoist has been a pickup before (think Universe Spychanger and the more recent GDO Legend) I can live with Hoist not having a crane assembly this time around.

Plus, G2 Electro! :DANCE:



Oh yeah, forgot about Thrust. hehe. :oops: Anyway I don't see them making a crane for Hoist though. I just don't think he's as important as Thrust. Or see the crane as much of a defining characteristic as Thrust VTOL engines were and are.
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