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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby hinomars19 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:46 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I for one don't find transforming robots on Cybertron silly at all. I wish I had wheels or wings or treads or any other forms that enable me to move faster, fly, or traverse rough terrain. I do not NEED any humans, as I've never ever EVER viewed any tf story and cared about the humans. Sure, if they're on earth they have to be there, but if it was such that I never heard a single one speak other that to scream in fear, that's fine with me. And if people have a problem with cockpits or windows on cybertronian vehicles, they pretty much have eyes behind mini windows in robot mode, why can't the same apply for vehicle modes? Protection for their eyes and sensors wherever they are in vehicle mode. Robots in disguise is cool and all for the fact that they need that disguise, but you know what's even more important and interesting? The fact that they TRANSFORM? Like the name of the entire franchise? No humans needed for that to hold water.


At the risk of being in the middle (and let's face it I've already established my need to be Switzerland for the sake of keeping the tentative peace in a movie thread) I also agree with your point. Stories without humans, meaning out in space or on Cybertron and even prehistoric Earth are fantastic, and yes can be done and can most certainly work (I really want to get into IDW). However I can't deny I also like seeing humans and TF's together. I am a human being, after all. It's fun to think of being with them as much as it is to want to be one. That's me. All's good for me.
Thing is, all of this is irrelevant against the 'too many humans in bayverse' argument. Budget and practicality in filming quick, box office blockbusters dictates a need for a large human cast. Sorry.
How they are handled once they are there is a different box altogether, I'll give people that. (The only human character I have genuinely liked in these movies is Epps. I look forward to Gelsey Grammer in AoE. Here's hoping it's done well.)

You don't want humans, I don't need humans, and Seibertron does want humans. 3 different opinions that probably cover most of the fandom in some form. But those 3 opinions mean squat to Hollywood who have chosen this franchise as it's latest quick fix money spinner geared towards an audience of their choosing.
I'm pretty sure it's OK for the fandom to see eye to eye on that, at least I'd like to think it can be done :D
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:57 pm

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The humans I've genuinely liked in all three films have been William Lennox, Robert Epps, John Keller, Ron Witwicky, General Moreshower, and Dylan Gould.

I actually do kinda wonder how different the films would have been if Lennox and Epps, instead of Sam and his girlfriends, had been the lead humans of the films.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:16 pm

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Burn wrote:Hasbro have kind of shot themselves in the foot here by rebooting the main series every couple of years. Oh sure, it makes sense, they have to keep things fresh (provided Optimus Prime is a red truck and Bumblebee a yellow car ... can't confuse the kids too much) for the kids.

But the result is multiple "universes" with the same theme told again and again but with a slightly different spin each time.

What they need to do is take a huge gamble and develop a series that is connected, but very distant from all that's been before.


I think they're still wary of changing the formula after what happened the first time (killing Optimus in the 80's animated movie). Ever since then, Optimus has always remained the star of the show in one form or another.

Burn wrote:No really, it's probably more a case of an oversight on the animators part, or even laziness. It doesn't make sense, but then, the majority of movies have flaws, but most of them are made to entertain so you tend to forgive them.


Actually, Bay had to make the vehicles look nice and pristine for the camera since GM had given him free use of all their car in return for free publicity. The battle damage was initially done in sequences for the bot modes, making them more damaged as the story went on, but the cars had to remain all shiny and clean.

Basically, it's the came case with the US military, but that's another story.

Again, it's been ages since I listened to the DVD commentary, but that's pretty much the gist of it.

TurboMMaster wrote:Oh, it is not only that, in first movie, the cast was relatively small, so each character at least seems to be unique.We don't have identical characters, or generic mooks, each character at least have he's own style. Also,with smaller cast Decepticons seems to be more dangreus. For Example, Starscream beats Ironhide and Ratchet with ease, and Brawl proves to be a challenge for 4 Autobots, human troops and a silicon princess.


Very true. The Decepticons were portrayed as an exceedingly dangerous force in the first movie. They were military vehicles, and easily strong-armed their way forward in pursuit of the Allspark. That scene where Starscream took on a whole squadron of F-22's remains my favorite scene of him.

TurboMMaster wrote:In first movie Optimus wasn't weak: He kills Bonecrusher relatively easily (And he do that with exceptional sense of style) and he slow down Megatron and survived to tell the tale. Also, in next movies he isn't invincible at all, and in RotF and DotM comics and novels adaptation, while he is still strong, but far for beign overpowered. Many things like Prime killing Grindor or fightning with both Megatron AND the Fallen at once are entirely Bay's idea.


Hey, don't shoot the messenger! :lol: I was just saying what Bay and/or O&K said in the commentary.

You have a point in the forest fight scene, though. As absolutely awesome as it was cinematically, OP was a one-man wrecking crew. I don't know; if you don't mind the fanon maybe he just summoned all his strength in a desperate attempt to save Sam.

All in all, the forest fight scene is easily forgivable due to sheer awesome ass-kicking.

That said, I found his fight with The Fallen and Megatron far more jarring. It just doesn't make sense that the parts from a rusty old bot like Jetfire could power Optimus up to the point where he could take on The Fallen and Megs simultaneously. If it has something to do with the Matrix re-optimizing Optimus and Jetfire's parts back into peak condition, then it should have been explained.

I just don't like having to rely on fanon and tie-in media to make sense of something.

Sabrblade wrote:The humans I've genuinely liked in all three films have been William Lennox, Robert Epps, John Keller, Ron Witwicky, General Moreshower, and Dylan Gould.

I actually do kinda wonder how different the films would have been if Lennox and Epps, instead of Sam and his girlfriends, had been the lead humans of the films.


This. I absolutely hate the "comic relief" characters, and only marginally warmed up to Simmons in DOTM. Sam's mom was tolerable in the first movie and DOTM. Leo, I'm glad wasn't involved in DOTM or any other TF movie after ROTF. Jerry's dead, so good riddance.

I still blame Spielberg for "suggesting" that they go the "kid and his first car" route. The whole thing with the glasses seems to have been shoehorned into the plot, where if you took out that part of the story, it'd still work. Instead of Frenzy hacking the US military servers and discovering info on the glasses, just have him search directly for project Ice Man. The story proceeds as usual, and have a newly awakened Megatron rushes toward the location of the cube (thereby removing the part about the humans hiding it in Hoover Dam).

And without Sam, The Autobots can show up during Scorponok's attack and save Lennox and Epps, and telling them the reason for coming to Earth--to find the Cube or stop Megatron.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:46 pm

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Speaking of the "damaged TFs turning into pristine cars" notion, would you guys believe that this has been addressed in an official manner and given an answer from Hasbro itself? Cuz it just so happens that there was. :-B

Back during the August 2009 Hasbro Q&A session, TFWiki provided the following question and received the following answer:
2. At the BotCon 2008 Hasbro Commentary viewing of the live-action Transformers film, an early exchange between Hasbro and Michael Bay was brought up: Michael Bay questioned the logic of damaged Transformers turning into pristine vehicles, and the Hasbro response to him was along the lines of "the Transformers don't actually turn into the vehicles, they're just mimicking them". Is this concept something that the "movie" universe is still operating under?

Transformers across all of our expressions 'mimic' vehicles. They are "robots in disguise" even when they are in vehicle mode. The inherent ability of Transformers to convert their bodies from space to space combined with their ability to create holograms fulfills the illusion of a pristine car in vehicle mode.
As always, we try to remain true to the characters and put out the best toys as all possible at all times.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:54 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of the "damaged TFs turning into pristine cars" notion, would you guys believe that this has been address in an official manner and given an answer from Hasbro itself? Cuz it just so happens that there was. :-B

Back during the August 2009 Hasbro Q&A session, TFWiki provided the following question and received the following answer:
2. At the BotCon 2008 Hasbro Commentary viewing of the live-action Transformers film, an early exchange between Hasbro and Michael Bay was brought up: Michael Bay questioned the logic of damaged Transformers turning into pristine vehicles, and the Hasbro response to him was along the lines of "the Transformers don't actually turn into the vehicles, they're just mimicking them". Is this concept something that the "movie" universe is still operating under?

Transformers across all of our expressions 'mimic' vehicles. They are "robots in disguise" even when they are in vehicle mode. The inherent ability of Transformers to convert their bodies from space to space combined with their ability to create holograms fulfills the illusion of a pristine car in vehicle mode.
As always, we try to remain true to the characters and put out the best toys as all possible at all times.


Not sure if I'm reading this right, but is Hasbro saying that the TF's actually create a hologram of a car in pristine condition despite the actual condition of it?

The only time I've seen movie TF's create holograms is for their drivers in alt mode.

I don't know; by that logic, TF's can just get on all fours and conjure a hologram of a car, without actually having to "morph" their bodies to make doors and other car parts.

I'm going to have to watch the DVD again; could have sworn it was because GM wanted their cars to look good on screen.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:56 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of the "damaged TFs turning into pristine cars" notion, would you guys believe that this has been address in an official manner and given an answer from Hasbro itself? Cuz it just so happens that there was. :-B

Back during the August 2009 Hasbro Q&A session, TFWiki provided the following question and received the following answer:
2. At the BotCon 2008 Hasbro Commentary viewing of the live-action Transformers film, an early exchange between Hasbro and Michael Bay was brought up: Michael Bay questioned the logic of damaged Transformers turning into pristine vehicles, and the Hasbro response to him was along the lines of "the Transformers don't actually turn into the vehicles, they're just mimicking them". Is this concept something that the "movie" universe is still operating under?

Transformers across all of our expressions 'mimic' vehicles. They are "robots in disguise" even when they are in vehicle mode. The inherent ability of Transformers to convert their bodies from space to space combined with their ability to create holograms fulfills the illusion of a pristine car in vehicle mode.
As always, we try to remain true to the characters and put out the best toys as all possible at all times.


What a cheap excuse. So, they project holograms to cover up the scars and whatnot?
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:18 pm

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The thing about GM wanting their cars looking good is the real world answer. The answer given in the Q&A, however, was an attempt at an in-fiction answer.

Keyword being "attempt". ;)
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:16 am

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Both hinomars19 and sabrblade are 100% on the nail with how things just HAVE to be with mainstream summer blockbuster action movies. No argument there. Its also why I say I'd pay 50 bucks to see a TF made specifically for this type of tf fan.

on the topics of humans, I might have come off as hating humans, but I most surely loved spike and Daniel's roles in the 86' movie. Just the right balance of added realism through a human element as well as screen time and meaningful dialogue.

If they did a horror themed tf show or movie focusing on humans trying to escape the alien threat of terrorizing decepticons/destrons/predicons/vehicons, I would love it. The tfs would be on the audience's mind all the time. The humans would be the support for something bigger. With the movies, so many scenes felt like they were there just to keep audiences feeling comfortable. At the end of the day, ideally, transformers are Sci fi, and Sci fi should be all about going to new places.

Also, the holograms excuse is pure bs. In that case why don't all of them project themselves to be each other to constantly confuse the enemy, making for a total cluster ****. The movies blow so hard with all their bs. JUST ADMIT IT'S FOR SHOWING OFF YOUR SPONSORS PRODUCTS.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:09 am

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of the "damaged TFs turning into pristine cars" notion, would you guys believe that this has been addressed in an official manner and given an answer from Hasbro itself? Cuz it just so happens that there was. :-B

Back during the August 2009 Hasbro Q&A session, TFWiki provided the following question and received the following answer:
2. At the BotCon 2008 Hasbro Commentary viewing of the live-action Transformers film, an early exchange between Hasbro and Michael Bay was brought up: Michael Bay questioned the logic of damaged Transformers turning into pristine vehicles, and the Hasbro response to him was along the lines of "the Transformers don't actually turn into the vehicles, they're just mimicking them". Is this concept something that the "movie" universe is still operating under?

Transformers across all of our expressions 'mimic' vehicles. They are "robots in disguise" even when they are in vehicle mode. The inherent ability of Transformers to convert their bodies from space to space combined with their ability to create holograms fulfills the illusion of a pristine car in vehicle mode.
As always, we try to remain true to the characters and put out the best toys as all possible at all times.


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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Banjo-Tron » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:51 am

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Burn wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of the "damaged TFs turning into pristine cars" notion, would you guys believe that this has been addressed in an official manner and given an answer from Hasbro itself? Cuz it just so happens that there was. :-B

Back during the August 2009 Hasbro Q&A session, TFWiki provided the following question and received the following answer:
2. At the BotCon 2008 Hasbro Commentary viewing of the live-action Transformers film, an early exchange between Hasbro and Michael Bay was brought up: Michael Bay questioned the logic of damaged Transformers turning into pristine vehicles, and the Hasbro response to him was along the lines of "the Transformers don't actually turn into the vehicles, they're just mimicking them". Is this concept something that the "movie" universe is still operating under?

Transformers across all of our expressions 'mimic' vehicles. They are "robots in disguise" even when they are in vehicle mode. The inherent ability of Transformers to convert their bodies from space to space combined with their ability to create holograms fulfills the illusion of a pristine car in vehicle mode.
As always, we try to remain true to the characters and put out the best toys as all possible at all times.


So ... magic.


LOL! I'm gonna go with Occam's razor on this one and believe the GM explaination. It's patronising for them to come up with a daft reason like this. It reminds me of the whole 'midichlorians' thing in the Starwars prequels.

Anyway, just thinking out loud here but surely the main use of humans is to act as a link between the audience and the aliens being introduced. Now that this is firmly established, I think the humans can be ditched. I personally would love to see Optimus cut off from his troops for some reason, and pursued by say the predacons, it could be a different film entirely, much more in the horror genre as others have said. It can still be accessible to kids, if you get it right you can convey a sense of menace without going ott.

You could also have other subplots for key characters which intermingle at the end. There's no reason for every film to be about saving an entire planet from destruction, other then the fact this is Bay's raison d'etre.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:23 am

Banjo-Tron wrote:LOL! I'm gonna go with Occam's razor on this one and believe the GM explaination. It's patronising for them to come up with a daft reason like this. It reminds me of the whole 'midichlorians' thing in the Starwars prequels.


I wouldn't call it daft, and certainly not patronising. Is a holographic projector any more of a cop out than mass shifting and pocket dimensions (or wherever the hell G1 Prime's trailer always ended up)

Anyway, just thinking out loud here but surely the main use of humans is to act as a link between the audience and the aliens being introduced. Now that this is firmly established, I think the humans can be ditched.


You're still missing the notion that people, and in particular kids (you know, what this franchise is aimed at) need humans so they can relate to the media.

Kids especially as they can imagine and pretend that they're part of the TF universe when they play.

Oh sure they could pretend to be Transformers themselves, but as someone who got a bunch of friends together at school and tried to be Voltron, it's not always a good idea. Image

I personally would love to see Optimus cut off from his troops for some reason, and pursued by say the predacons, it could be a different film entirely, much more in the horror genre as others have said. It can still be accessible to kids, if you get it right you can convey a sense of menace without going ott.


I'd personally love to see a squadron of grunts on the front lines, have their stories told without the constant appearance of the usual main suspects (mention them, have them make an occasional appearance, but don't have the story revolve around them).

Similar to Rescue Bots, only a little more mature, a lot darker, and 100% animated.

There's no reason for every film to be about saving an entire planet from destruction, other then the fact this is Bay's raison d'etre.


So the guy is good at what he does. And it's not like he's the ONLY director who does the whole "save the world from disaster" movies.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby hinomars19 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:37 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:Both hinomars19 and sabrblade are 100% on the nail with how things just HAVE to be with mainstream summer blockbuster action movies. No argument there. Its also why I say I'd pay 50 bucks to see a TF made specifically for this type of tf fan.


There's just too many factors involved in movies like this. They don't carry the freedom a comic book or game can. Avengers was only made because each individual super hero movie finally PROVED to Hollywood it would work and we would pay to see it. And even then Tony and Steve spend more time maskless than you'd want because, y'know, actors.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby hinomars19 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:49 am

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If it was 100% CGI animation, it'd no longer be live action, it'd be more akin to Final Fantasy spirits within. Not that that would be a bad thing, the new Harlock movie looks fantastic, and I can't wait to see it. But it's animation. Photo realism aside, it's not a live action piece without actual actors. Avatar, being a prime example, still has real people, real environments. It's all still there despite the spectacle of how effects heavy it is. Heck, even Muppet movies have real people in them. Without it it'd be a puppet show to the general audience, not a live action Muppet movie.
Unless you meant you want a new cartoon series in the vein of Rescue bots, but more mature, in which case I apologize for mis-reading ;)

I may be in the minority, but you know what I'd like for live action, even just a 50 minute special? Tokusatsu. Good quality suits, think the robots in Power Rangers but better quality, sort of along the lines of Toho movies :P Pure indulgent fun of course, but I want one!
I'm interested to see how Patlabor turns out. From what I've seen they have re-created the mecha designs to a T, just making them real. It boils down to one thing-if you want Hollywood to do something you have to prove to them that it will work. Pacific Rim only happened because Transformers proved the audience was there. AoE has a vast aesthetic change in facial designs-designs a lot of us old timers wanted and knew were possible from the start. What made them finally do it I don't know.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:55 am

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Banjo-Tron wrote:LOL! I'm gonna go with Occam's razor on this one and believe the GM explaination. It's patronising for them to come up with a daft reason like this. It reminds me of the whole 'midichlorians' thing in the Starwars prequels.
Well, like I said, it's an attempt at giving a fictive explanation while the GM one is a dramaturgical explanation. I mean, suppose if Sam Witwicky also noticed that Optimus can go from looking like a battle scarred robot into a shiny new truck, and if he were to ask about it, Optimus wouldn't be able to say, "Because General Motors wants my altmode to look pretty at all times," he'd have to give some kind of technobabble reason like the one Bay and Hasbro gave since that is all Optimus would be able to give.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby hinomars19 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:01 am

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Banjo-Tron wrote:LOL! I'm gonna go with Occam's razor on this one and believe the GM explaination. It's patronising for them to come up with a daft reason like this. It reminds me of the whole 'midichlorians' thing in the Starwars prequels.
Well, like I said, it's an attempt at giving a fictive explanation while the GM one is a dramaturgical explanation. I mean, suppose if Sam Witwicky also noticed that Optimus can go from looking like a battle scarred robot into a shiny new truck, and if he were to ask about it, Optimus wouldn't be able to say, "Because General Motors wants my altmode to look pretty at all times," he'd have to give some kind of technobabble reason like the one Bay and Hasbro gave since that is all Optimus would be able to give.


Bingo.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby TurboMMaster » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:36 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger! :lol: I was just saying what Bay and/or O&K said in the commentary.

You have a point in the forest fight scene, though. As absolutely awesome as it was cinematically, OP was a one-man wrecking crew. I don't know; if you don't mind the fanon maybe he just summoned all his strength in a desperate attempt to save Sam.
In original script, Fallen fights with Optimus alone, since Megatron refuse to help him after he discovered that Fallen had lied to him. And when you watch it, you can fill it! However one thing is hilarious: Megatron kicked Optimus in face: Face and helmet scattered. Fallen throws an Aicraft engine in Prime's face... No effect! His faceplte must be indestructible!

Sabrblade wrote:Optimus wouldn't be able to say, "Because General Motors wants my altmode to look pretty at all times," he'd have to give some kind of technobabble reason like the one Bay and Hasbro gave since that is all Optimus would be able to give.
But each time Bay is trying to be creative in this way it ends with total disaster. In G1 there is a lot of thing without explenation, in this kind of movie, that could be a good thing. If it's for typical american teenagers, there is no need to explain it!

Also I wish to this movie have no Retcons in it. The Timeline in Bayformers is already freaky enough. Megatron was frozen for millenias, and that dosen't changed his life so much, yet Sentinel after 50 years in this nearly-death stasis lock after reactivation seems to be from different age!
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:12 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:Also I wish to this movie have no Retcons in it. The Timeline in Bayformers is already freaky enough. Megatron was frozen for millenias, and that dosen't changed his life so much, yet Sentinel after 50 years in this nearly-death stasis lock after reactivation seems to be from different age!
Sentinel might have landed on the Moon 50 years ago, but he left Cybertron far longer back. His ship's space bridge tech kept bouncing the ship across time and space until it finally collided with the Earth's Moon at a time much later from when it left home.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby TurboMMaster » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:35 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Sentinel might have landed on the Moon 50 years ago, but he left Cybertron far longer back. His ship's space bridge tech kept bouncing the ship across time and space until it finally collided with the Earth's Moon at a time much later from when it left home.
But in narration scene it seems like a very short travel...

Also, "Time in space pass slower" is nice theory from Transformers Franchise (and it's absurdaly long wars and a thousand-year coma stuff), and I support it personally. But still: Megatron beign kept frozen for millenia seems to be only and idea to introduce Sam and excuse why Cybertronian can be killed so easily, because it have no effect on anything. It wasn't mentioned even once, after Megatron escaped from Hover Dam, nor it was anything in common with later events. Sentinel's Coma on the other hand gives us impression: There is a lot of wasted time for him.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:49 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Sentinel might have landed on the Moon 50 years ago, but he left Cybertron far longer back. His ship's space bridge tech kept bouncing the ship across time and space until it finally collided with the Earth's Moon at a time much later from when it left home.
But in narration scene it seems like a very short travel...
Because the film cut right from the launch directly to the crash. The movie doesn't cover the journey in between, which one could only get to witness by reading the comics.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:31 pm

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Hey, don't shoot the messenger! :lol: I was just saying what Bay and/or O&K said in the commentary.

You have a point in the forest fight scene, though. As absolutely awesome as it was cinematically, OP was a one-man wrecking crew. I don't know; if you don't mind the fanon maybe he just summoned all his strength in a desperate attempt to save Sam.
In original script, Fallen fights with Optimus alone, since Megatron refuse to help him after he discovered that Fallen had lied to him. And when you watch it, you can fill it! However one thing is hilarious: Megatron kicked Optimus in face: Face and helmet scattered. Fallen throws an Aicraft engine in Prime's face... No effect! His faceplte must be indestructible!


Yeah, I prefer the first idea a lot better.

As for his mouth guard; yeah, it was pretty inconsistent.

TurboMMaster wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Optimus wouldn't be able to say, "Because General Motors wants my altmode to look pretty at all times," he'd have to give some kind of technobabble reason like the one Bay and Hasbro gave since that is all Optimus would be able to give.
But each time Bay is trying to be creative in this way it ends with total disaster. In G1 there is a lot of thing without explenation, in this kind of movie, that could be a good thing. If it's for typical american teenagers, there is no need to explain it!

Also I wish to this movie have no Retcons in it. The Timeline in Bayformers is already freaky enough. Megatron was frozen for millenias, and that dosen't changed his life so much, yet Sentinel after 50 years in this nearly-death stasis lock after reactivation seems to be from different age!


Then again, it was probably just a candid answer to a Q&A interview. It was never brought up in the movies (and Bay and O&K are smart enough not to call attention to something like that unnecessarily), so officially speaking, it was just some BS answer the interviewee made up just for the Q&A, and probably doesn't even count as "canon".

Sabr's example was nothing but a "what if" scenario, as in "what if Sam asks OP why they look so clean and shiny in alt mode when they're all battered up in bot mode", which honestly, Bay and the writers have no reason make Sam ask such a question. In short, the scenario doesn't exist, and it does in fact go unexplained.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:37 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Because the film cut right from the launch directly to the crash. The movie doesn't cover the journey in between, which one could only get to witness by reading the comics.
Yeah, right, but if you didn't read the comic then how should you know that this scene isn't canon? And it dosen't explain why Megatron's stasis have no visible effect on character development. It's like they have dropped entire idea after Megatron was unfrozen.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:ay and the writers have no reason make Sam ask such a question. In short, the scenario doesn't exist, and it does in fact go unexplained.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

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Sabrblade wrote:Because the film cut right from the launch directly to the crash. The movie doesn't cover the journey in between, which one could only get to witness by reading the comics.
Yeah, right, but if you didn't read the comic then how should you know that this scene isn't canon? And it dosen't explain why Megatron's stasis have no visible effect on character development. It's like they have dropped entire idea after Megatron was unfrozen.


Why would he drop the idea? If he did, all those hundreds of years being frozen would have been for nothing, and Cybertron would still be uninhabitable.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby El Duque » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:50 am

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TheArnoldFans, an Arnold Schwarzenegger fansite, has posted brief interview with Transformers: Age of Extinction star Titus Welliver. Welliver is a big Arnie fan, and the interviewer is Transformers fan, if you wondering what the connection was. See his comments on his character, Savoy, below:

TheArnoldFans: What can you tell me about your role in the upcoming Transformers?

Titus Welliver: I basically play the shark, like the shark of JAWS. I play this (Navy) Seal who has been tasked with eradicating the world of Transformers. Since the battle in Chicago in the previous film, they've now become outlawed so i'm in charge of a group of guys who are doing that.

TheArnoldFans: Were you familiar at all with the Transformers universe when you cam on the project?

Titus Welliver: Very much so. I have three children and they were actually my encyclopedia for that. I watched all the films but any questions that I had, I just talked to my 14 year old, and my 12 and 8 year old.

TheArnoldFans: Do your kids have the toys too?

Titus Welliver: Yeah, they have the toys. Michael Bay had a conversation with my 12 year old and then Michael came back to me afterwards and he said, 'I just had a conversation with your son and he might know a little bit more about these films than I do, and I made them." So I had a great source with m kids.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:53 am

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So, James Savoy is a Navy Seal, eh? Or, was Welliver just comparing him to one?

And, I'm not surprised that his kid knew more about the movies than Bay did.
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Re: Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Postby T-Macksimus » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:22 am

Sabrblade wrote:So, James Savoy is a Navy Seal, eh? Or, was Welliver just comparing him to one?

And, I'm not surprised that his kid knew more about the movies than Bay did.


I think the better description for the character is to describe him as a former Navy S.E.A.L. Common practice for govt. agencies, especially those routinely involved in planning the "Black Ops." that some of our elite military is ordered to carry out, is to recruit out of the elite units of the armed forces. You wouldn't find a typical, active military SEAL willing to "Work the girl" as Attinger had ordered him to do, especially on a fellow American and a kid at that, but the guys they enlist/recruit into the "other" agencies... those boys don't think twice about such an order. They'd shoot their own grandmother for the promise of a Klondike Bar and a pat on the back at the end of the Op. Not quite the behavior of a typical elite unit member. Yeah, the SEAL's and Special Forces boys are nasty but it takes a special kind of nasty to do the governments dirty work and enjoy it as much as Welliver's character seems to.

And yes, I'm not all that surprised at Bay's statement either. I do hope he looks back on that and realizes just how profound a remark that really is. That should honestly tell him something about how he's handling the franchise.
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