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Seibertron wrote:

Blurrz wrote:Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....

Do the clear Shadow Microns count?

Im still not sure where those four are going! Maybe we'll get a clear black Prime or a clear Megatron

Seibertron wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.

Any chance that some of the products you have or that others have were just imperfect toys? If mine and others are OK, but yours and some other people's aren't, just seems like it's too few examples and that no assumptions should be made.

It's one thing to state your opinion, but it's another thing to make statements of fact out of assumptions.

I didn't post it as fact, I posted it as a possibility after people spouted it as fact, since there was a good chance that it was just a few bad ones.

Then Takara cancelled their Black Convoy due to issues with the toy, the people who managed to snag some of the test samples reported the same problems that people had with the botcon release, so we never got confirmation one way or the other.

So the option of, well it might be broken, but it might not sounded like a pretty good place for the figure.

Well, mine was loose, so the possibility of it being just a test shot or one that didn't pass the QC test exists, however the store I bought it from had a boxed set left which he offered to break up to replace mine, after I refused that he stated that he checked that one and it had a few (not all) of the problems that mine had (loose back-kibble, wonky head, loose shoulders and a warped air-vent).

There where loads of posts about SG Prime being bad, too many for me to believe that it was just a few. I mean it was an expensive short run exclusive, BotCon would have removed all the really bad ones and only supplied the best. They wouldn't knowingly sell a crappy figure if they could supply better samples. But seeing how there are so many complaints from people who own him and they all sound a hell of a lot like the complaints people had about the Classics Seeker mold and other toys suffering from mold degradation.

While I'm not sure there are any facts regarding the degradation of the classics prime mold, there are a lot of factors involved that draw people to the conclusion that it's degraded to the point of non-use. I mean even ignoring the numerous reports of Nemesis and SG Prime being wonky, there were reports of the re-issue Henkei Convoy being pretty bad. Add to that the mass number of similar, if not higher quality knock offs of the mold and we start making assumptions.

That said, if the mold can make a comeback I REALLY hope it does! I don't give a s**t what anyone says, as far as I'm concerned the classic voyager leaders are my absolute favorite renditions of Prime and Megatron ever. G1? Masterpiece? Pfff! Kibble forever!

Additional note: Despite how cool translucent plastic is, I wish they wouldn't use it on the jointed plastic kibble.

I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.

xyl360 wrote:I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.

Neither my Classics Prime or Ultra Magnus have the head issue though.

Dead Metal wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.

Neither my Classics Prime or Ultra Magnus have the head issue though.

Yet my UM does. I got him in the 2 pack TRU exclusive with Skywarp (Skywarp was the reason I bought him, before I ever heard about City Commander). I believe there was only one run of that set, so if mine has it and yours does not, then that again would indicate that the problem may not be mold degradation (unless it occurred in the middle of the run or something).

I want that United Black Prime. That's the figure we dhould've got as part of the Universe line. God how I want that.

Red tinted windows and black legs look nice. Only question is are they nice enough to upgrade the SDCC NP I already have for lord know how much through the online retailers?

I'm the only one who noticed "Prime" was misspelled?

The black prime's not doing anything for me, since I own the SDCC one. Seems nearly Identical, except this one's all black, without the navy blue parts, and has red clear plastic instead of blue.

Might be getting that FE Prime though... Might keep it MISB.