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adiprizio829 wrote:I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.

Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:From an action figure stand point, filming back to back would do wonders for the toyline. At least for the 5th film as Hasbro will have a huge leadtime in getting product developed.

I agree, however, I think there would be a lot of bad blood between fans and between fans and Hasbro. Some do love 'em, some are downright sick of them. With the way they put things on the back burner, you'd be hard pressed to see Generations for at least a year or more.

El Duque wrote:Just like the first time around, the Jason Statham rumor has been put to rest. This time by Statham himself. MTV recently asked the action star about his possible involvement in the future of the Transformers movie franchise, and this is what he had to say:

"You know, I don't know how those things start. You read them. Someone told me about it. [But] the internet is a dangerous place," he laughed. "There's a lot of stuff out there."

Not to say that Statham would be completely opposed to a "Transformers" movie: "I've got a lot of stuff in front of me, but Michael Bay is a talented man. This last one just made a billion dollars around the world, so people like his films. He's a talented man."

Click here to view the original article on MTV Movie Blog, which includes video of Statham debunking the rumor.

Director Michael Bay also dropped by his Shoot for the Edit forums to address the rumors that have been circulating around the internet:

Originally Posted by michaelbay
I am currently not talking to Paramount on T4 and T5 despite reports. I'm looking at a lot of possibilities coming my way right now weighing options. Most likely going to be doing the low budget Pain and Gain, a true story crime thriller. It's a very quick shoot and quite funny. Also just finishing the 3 disc set of the Transformer trilogy.

Michael

Statham didn't directly say yes or no. That was well worded, but danced around the issue.
As for Bay, he's outright lied to us countless times. When both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter mention this, there's something to it. If nothing else, they're at least talking. Contrary to what he claims.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Here we go again.

Definitely not interested in a TF 4 or 5 if its going to be anything like the first 3.
I just want to say, that for those who seem to think that the movies have done so much for the franchise, and brought in more fans, and more revenue... does that really matter? I get wanting cool toys, thats a given... but if its at the cost of hording in average joes and dullards to a fandom who don't really care about what Transformers are really about (Safely say every other TF fiction other than the movies), then screw the revenue, screw the extended franchise life. If TF magically somehow died tomorrow and all I was left with was everything we had up till now and no more movies. Give it to me.

Yes, it does really matter. Average Joes, I can't comment on, but I can tell you that you're outright wrong on some of the converts being dullards. Just because they're n00b fans doesn't mean their desire is any less powerful than any of our's.

You act like the fandom belongs only to you. It doesn't. The doors are open to people of all ages and we should welcome them, not shun them.

If it wasn't for the increased revenue and popularity, we'd probably be facing a Power Rangers situation. The media sucked, except for RPM, the toys were stripped of their Japanese awesomeness and downsized along with entire features gutted, just to make them cheap enough to produce and sell. I remember what the original Power Rangers toys were like. Today's don't even compare. Trust me, you do not want that to happen to TransFormers. The movies pretty much saved the entire franchise when it was in danger of going stagnant. Proven fact? The movies and toyline did over a billion in 2007. The AEC trilogy pulled in about $75 mill. Google it, it's out there.

The movies were fun and breathtaking. Somewhat stupid, I admit, but it's a small price to pay to get what we want, and we do get what we want.

Here we go again.

I cannot understand why Bay would want to do another TF movie. He's rich, let him do Bad Boys III or something.

As for Statham, he's like Vin Diesel/Arnold/Sylvester. Would you really want a Die Hard movie with transforming cars?

Shia played the "Spike" character, G1 didn't have an action hero with a robot sidekick. The Transformers are the fighters, not the humans. And Josh Duhamel was a side character. I don't think it would work if the main human character is a fighter-like dude.

My opinion: "Leave the trilogy alone, wait a few years and start fresh with new writers, director, actors etc."

A Transformers movie with say Bryan Singer (directing) would have less "pretty action shots" but it would have story and the characters would have... character.

+ All the designs need to be new/fresh.

So they both neither deny nor confirm the rumors. But both don't seem to be in the talks on the project. Personally, I think Jason Statham became a part of this rumor only because of his relationship w/ Rosey Huntington-Whiteley. It seems people want to see them both in a movie together. Rather than fuel rumors, I'll just wait to see what really happens.

I apologise as this is slightly off topic, but a couple of people's comments stood out at me a bit. I remember seeing similar comments when Linkin Park released Iridescent. I won't mention names (partly because I can't be arsed to go back and check who said what) but can we avoid assuming that we are a bigger fan of Transformers than others because of what we believe?

Is there a rule that states how a true fan should feel about certain aspects of whatever they follow? Is a true fan someone who loves the subject unconditionally no matter what they do? Or is it someone who has the courage to say "hang on a second, I don't like where you're going with this"? The only right answer to this question is that there is no right answer. We can only answer for ourselves, and I'm sure we all have damn good reasons for feeling that way. It's these differences that lead to constructive debates, but some seem to insinuate that they are automatically right and others are wrong.

I'm certain that the Statham rumours only started because of his relationship with Rosie and his 'Death Race' co-star Tyrese...

Hmm...Why yes, I do believe I'm Captain Obvious! ^^

Well, I don't see the point in placing Shia as lead. He can't play the quirky boy and his (pet)car role because he's an adult. I was amused by his comedic antics, but I've had enough. I can say the same about Bay's insistance on humor. Someone mentioned they'd like to see JJ Abrams be the director. I think that would be excellent.

As far as a movie set on Cybertron.. wow some people really think that would work? Lifeless dark grey shifting steel structures as backgrounds, and grey protoform robots that won't "disguise?" Shhyeah.. that would work.

I think they should have both a human and a bot without voice issues lead.

Dre Merc wrote:As far as a movie set on Cybertron.. wow some people really think that would work? Lifeless dark grey shifting steel structures as backgrounds, and grey protoform robots that won't "disguise?" Shhyeah.. that would work.

If Tron: Legacy can create a world in CGI; I'm sure that they will have no problem with making Cybertron. And I think it would be awesome if we get a prequel that is based on Cybertron, but I think that we won't get to see it in a live action is because they are doing all of this Cybertron based stuff with the Prime universe + War for Cybertron/Exodus/Exiles continuities.

Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.

Thats a bad Bayformer! Bad! Get off the internetz!

Anyhow, in regards to the news: I think it would be need to see Jason Stratham as the lead in the future TF movies and also think it would be just mighty swell i Paramount didn't bring Micheal Bay back to Transformers. Keep the CGI guys, but lets bump this director and get someone a bit better.

Sodan-1 wrote:I apologise as this is slightly off topic, but a couple of people's comments stood out at me a bit. I remember seeing similar comments when Linkin Park released Iridescent. I won't mention names (partly because I can't be arsed to go back and check who said what) but can we avoid assuming that we are a bigger fan of Transformers than others because of what we believe?

Is there a rule that states how a true fan should feel about certain aspects of whatever they follow? Is a true fan someone who loves the subject unconditionally no matter what they do? Or is it someone who has the courage to say "hang on a second, I don't like where you're going with this"? The only right answer to this question is that there is no right answer. We can only answer for ourselves, and I'm sure we all have damn good reasons for feeling that way. It's these differences that lead to constructive debates, but some seem to insinuate that they are automatically right and others are wrong.

You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the retards in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

Kinda retarded all around, but it is what it is. I stopped posting here as much because quite frankly, I rarely have the patience for the Bayformer fans. I just want them to kee0p watching the movies and buying the crap Bayformer stuff that comes out so we G1 fans keep getting the good Gen1 stuff.

So as my good friend John would say "Proooooceeed wit da bullshit!" lol

_Anshin_ wrote:Yes, because movies that are filmed in a location other than earth such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, or other such no named movies were such a flop. Hell, even animated movies such as Toy Story had very little human elements in there but people enjoyed them because they were well written and not just giant explosions and lots of car chases. People are able to relate to a decent story line even if the characters are not human but display basic human traits. You see this is shown slightly with the movie Transformers and more with some of the animated stuff.

I am an avid fan. I read the comics, read the books, play the games, have the comics and the figures. Chances are if you are seeing this "plea" once a week then there is a very good chance that people actually want to see it and not just spend money watching a guy play with his toys and get paid to blow them up.

Flashwave wrote:Respectfully, I have to disagree with most of your comparisons there. Toy Story is the only one that's not trully human, but you can't say there weren't human elements. Everything else, they are humans. Whether it's Corusant, Madison, Los Angles, or Mission City, we relate to Humans. And as far as Toy Story, they not only have humans elements, but we held them as family at one time. You can't tell me you never had some kind of doll or teddy bear in your childhood, and the vast majorityy of us had them as companions, venting listeners, and friends we could hide from the world with. That's the relation.

Could a Human/TF movie in space work? I think so. But would Avatar have been as good if we humans weren't the aggresors? Would pople have understood the morale to that story if it were blue people versus some green dudes? Not likely. No matter where the setting is, the audience just can't relate to a story as easily if the characters aren't like them. Do you talk to your truck? Have yo had a tea party with your Hatchback? Probably not, so odds are your Hatchback getting shot by somebody's Lamborghini isn't going to draw tears from Joe Blow.

Flashwave just summed it up much better than I could. Could humans/TFs in space work? Yes. It would be a tougher sell, and I still think you'd be better off putting at least some of it on Earth, but I never said TFs and humans in space wouldn't work. TFs in space without humans? That WOULD fail. Anshin, every movie you listed there has humans in it. Your aruduement doesn't work.

Also, let's keep in mind that the TF movie with the least amount of humans in it is also the one that performed the worst at the box office.

Autobot032 wrote:I can't help it... lol

adiprizio829 wrote:I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.

Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.

While I won't argue your opinion, the only thing the live action movies have over the animated movie from '86 is the box office. Critically, all the movies have been torn to shreds. And the general consensus, I'm pretty sure there are just as many fans of the animated movie as the live action movies. That's why a 20th anniversary edition of the animated movie was released back in '06.

acchillyaout wrote: I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together.

Lol, yeah, I doubt that.

vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the retards in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

Kinda retarded all around, but it is what it is. I stopped posting here as much because quite frankly, I rarely have the patience for the Bayformer fans. I just want them to kee0p watching the movies and buying the crap Bayformer stuff that comes out so we G1 fans keep getting the good Gen1 stuff.

So as my good friend John would say "Proooooceeed wit da bullshit!" lol

Wow. I don't even know where to begin with this, other than to call out how ridiculously condescending you are.

First off, I was born in 1985, and I grew up on a mix of G1 and G2. I fell in love with Beast Wars, my interest lapsed a bit, came back for RiD and Armada, my interest lapsed a bit, I came back for the movie and I've stuck around since.

This "True fan vs. untrue fan" stuff is ludicrous and makes the whole fanbase look bad.

You know what this francise needs? Chuck fr*kking Norris.

Autobot032 wrote:Yes, it does really matter. Average Joes, I can't comment on, but I can tell you that you're outright wrong on some of the converts being dullards. Just because they're n00b fans doesn't mean their desire is any less powerful than any of our's.

You act like the fandom belongs only to you. It doesn't. The doors are open to people of all ages and we should welcome them, not shun them.

If it wasn't for the increased revenue and popularity, we'd probably be facing a Power Rangers situation. The media sucked, except for RPM, the toys were stripped of their Japanese awesomeness and downsized along with entire features gutted, just to make them cheap enough to produce and sell. I remember what the original Power Rangers toys were like. Today's don't even compare. Trust me, you do not want that to happen to TransFormers. The movies pretty much saved the entire franchise when it was in danger of going stagnant. Proven fact? The movies and toyline did over a billion in 2007. The AEC trilogy pulled in about $75 mill. Google it, it's out there.

The movies were fun and breathtaking. Somewhat stupid, I admit, but it's a small price to pay to get what we want, and we do get what we want.

I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about. Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.
I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.

vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

I really honestly believe that there should be a solid poll about this before we all assume that the vocal minority posters represent one of two general halves on Seibertron.

I was born in 1990. I grew up with Beast Wars, and later the series that followed. I was 17 when Transformers (2007) came out, and focusing on which colleges had my chosen career in video games available, and also happened to be going around Europe that summer. I recognized Transformers before they became the live-action films. But. It was Bayformers that taught me that there was an fandom, and the aesthetics really clicked with me, so since then I have actively bought product besides the shows.

vegetacron wrote:Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the retards in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

Sure, I'm spending my money to support this. That's my choice, and I hope that in the future you won't patronize anyone who does, because you automatically generalize that we're retards who don't know any better, or who can't be better. Yes, the younglings can post stupid stuff. That's true anywhere you see people, not just here, not just on the internet. It's far more beneficial to point out specifically what is detrimental in their posts, and then hope that the parents have taken responsibility for teaching their children how to take constructive criticism. If they don't, that's what rules, bans, moderators, etc. are for, again, done while pointing out specifically what the problem is, so that they have a better opportunity for redeeming themselves if they so choose.

vegetacron wrote:Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

Yes, I do have something to prove here. I would like to prove that I'm not out against all the rest of the fans, granted, I'm not just a 'bayformer fan,' but it is the continuity I am most passionate about.
I do not believe in a "true" continuity anymore than a true fan, nor do I hail Michael Bay as a person anymore than anyone else related to Transformers.

And I get along just fine with plenty of fans, G1 or otherwise.
Disagreement is just a product of our differing opinions....and the only reason I didn't merely not respond to your post was to voice a differing opinion on the matter, though one has already been brought up, which you then responded to.

Sodan-1 wrote: It's these differences that lead to constructive debates....

I hope my post is constructive in some way. I tried.


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I had friends on facebook posting the initial rumour about Jason coming on, and I simply let them know that there wasn't any concrete evidence to support it, and that this rumour had been shot down months before. I'm seriously wondering who brought it up in the first place, and whether it was the same person who has brought it up now, or if someone just dredged it up. Plenty of people still aren't aware of the initial rumour, as it was.

As for the next Transformers films, as I've stated before, I wouldn't mind a reboot. I'm going to miss the movieverse, but I, just as much as the next person, don't want it to wear its welcome out with the world and end on the worst note possible. Plus they've given us plenty of characters and designs to play with for years to come.
I'm just sad that Bumblebee's probably going to be taking his speechlessness with him to more continuities than I would care for. Out of all the things to take from the Bayverse....At least we got the cutest Animated Blackout from it!

Marcdachamp wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.

Okay... i'll say it again so everyone can be clear on... MY opinion (no $#*! it is, you all keep pointing that out like I keep forgetting it is).

I don't care if TFs remained in the state it was before the movies came out. Even if it was at this crappy stage where it was just trodding along doing okay here and there, I would prefer that over the situation now, where someone will see my Decepticon tattoo and yell OPTIMUS! like some poser who just wants one more piece of popular trend to belong to.

Marcdachamp wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.

ha ha ...
Philosophy!

that is true that is your opinion but this isn't to say there are others of the same opinions. in the end the movie will be about how the transformers are viewed from the one who offers the most money. or directs it.
and i personally think there are little differences between michael's movie tones and the "others".
other than these
1.M.'s is more realistic(on earth/real vehicles(if not alien),etc.)

2. the "others" have the transformers as more human like in which they have more human conflicts and actions.ex: rodimus springer arcee love V and things like jazz killing a human and not being psychotically same.

3.M.'s is more serious / the "others" are for the kids.

in the end i wish the "others" had more action and kept everything else. while i wish M.'s had A LOT LESS human backstory and more drama about the TFs and them being more human in psychology(love, wishes, internal conflicts, and same-side conflicts(ei:IDW ironhide hating mirage because mirage was believed to be a betrayer).

MINDVVIPE wrote:I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about.

Wait...wait... How can it have quality and substance if it's "roughed out and sub par"? That makes absolutely no sense, you do see that, right? After reading that, I have no idea what you actually want. For all of my dislike for G1, even I have to say there was enough quality to it. Even it wasn't "roughed out and sub par". Well, at least not all of the time. So, obviously G1 doesn't impress you and the movies don't impress you. I'm getting the feeling you really have no idea what you want and you're grasping at straws.

At that point, the problem lies with you, not the franchise or it's different iterations.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.

I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

...wait... You're holding it against the fans for being "misled"? So, they deserve to be disliked and even hated because someone fooled them? Do you have any idea how...CRUEL that sounds? In your scenario, the new fans are victims. In your scenario, you don't like the victims because they're victims and don't know it.

WTF?!?! *screams*

1.) The new fans are capable of finding other TF mythos. G1 cartoons or the DW/IDW comics, or fanfiction, etc. How dare you say they're stupid and incapable of more. You don't have that right.

2.) No one misled them. No one tricked them. It's their personal choice to stick with Bayverse or expand. If they choose not to, that's their right and there's nothing wrong with it. I like Beast Wars, even though I know it's a sequel of sorts to G1. That doesn't mean I have to like G1. Same applies to the new fans. Just because you say it as golden truth, doesn't mean it is.

All of this, plus the whole "I own it" thing further proves my point concerning this sense of entitlement everyone in the fandom has. I don't know where we got it, why we have it, or how to fix it, but it needs to go the hell away. NOW.

We are owed nothing. We are but tiny cogs in a very large machine that makes very large amounts of money. The fact that we're even recognized and catered to should be enough, but it never is.

If Hasbro ever does anything out of spite, towards us, it's well deserved and earned.

Autobot032 wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about.

Wait...wait... How can it have quality and substance if it's "roughed out and sub par"? That makes absolutely no sense, you do see that, right? After reading that, I have no idea what you actually want. For all of my dislike for G1, even I have to say there was enough quality to it. Even it wasn't "roughed out and sub par". Well, at least not all of the time. So, obviously G1 doesn't impress you and the movies don't impress you. I'm getting the feeling you really have no idea what you want and you're grasping at straws.

At that point, the problem lies with you, not the franchise or it's different iterations.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.

I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.

...wait... You're holding it against the fans for being "misled"? So, they deserve to be disliked and even hated because someone fooled them? Do you have any idea how...CRUEL that sounds? In your scenario, the new fans are victims. In your scenario, you don't like the victims because they're victims and don't know it.

WTF?!?! *screams*

1.) The new fans are capable of finding other TF mythos. G1 cartoons or the DW/IDW comics, or fanfiction, etc. How dare you say they're stupid and incapable of more. You don't have that right.

2.) No one misled them. No one tricked them. It's their personal choice to stick with Bayverse or expand. If they choose not to, that's their right and there's nothing wrong with it. I like Beast Wars, even though I know it's a sequel of sorts to G1. That doesn't mean I have to like G1. Same applies to the new fans. Just because you say it as golden truth, doesn't mean it is.

All of this, plus the whole "I own it" thing further proves my point concerning this sense of entitlement everyone in the fandom has. I don't know where we got it, why we have it, or how to fix it, but it needs to go the hell away. NOW.

We are owed nothing. We are but tiny cogs in a very large machine that makes very large amounts of money. The fact that we're even recognized and catered to should be enough, but it never is.

If Hasbro ever does anything out of spite, towards us, it's well deserved and earned.

You can have substance on a lowbudget. Star Wars - A new hope, compared to Star wars The Phantom menace.
You missed my point. You heard what you wanted to hear. I don't care to further debate.

Autobot032 wrote:I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

You hit the nail on the head. I love it when Transformers fans question Hasbro's fan loyalty. Universe Hot Shot had a license plate that said "jAAM." If that doesn't show just the tiniest fraction of their love and loyalty to the fanbase, I'm not sure what does.

oh my, i saw someone bring up the "brothers" thing regarding Prime and Megatron.

they aren't brothers, he was just referring to him as such because they're all Transformers and "brothers in arms". i don't know why some read more into it than that but it was obvious by the tone and the delivery thats what was meant.

plus its a hollywood movie, if they really meant the two were related you better believe they'd focus on it and shove that concept so hard into the ground that by the end everyone would be related or something. lol

Marcdachamp wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

You hit the nail on the head. I love it when Transformers fans question Hasbro's fan loyalty. Universe Hot Shot had a license plate that said "jAAM." If that doesn't show just the tiniest fraction of their love and loyalty to the fanbase, I'm not sure what does.

You also seem to think that everyone who voices their opinion is really complaining from a self-entitlement complex. Its really not. Its just being a fan, and publically stating opinion. But since you guys gota take it so seriously to hopefully end with a sense of self-rightousness... I can't help that.

vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

....could you be more wrong? I grew up in the 80's, I'm 30-something, I loved Saturday morning cartoons. Bayverse was the latest exposure to TFs for me, not the first and yet I embrace it wholly.

I know what you think of people such as myself and we'll get to that in a moment.

vegetacron wrote:Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the retards in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

And there it is "Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the retards in the room"

...what kind of a person are you? I can't give you a label because it would be a punishable offense, but it's tempting. I won't give into my temptations, however. I'm just going to report you and let the higher ups handle it. They will have mercy on you, but if it was me....something this offensive would get you a permanent ban.

To any outsiders looking in, you should know we are not like this guy. We're generally warm and inviting. We hope you weren't offended.

vegetacron wrote:Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. NOTHING!

I don't hate the history. As much as I hate G1, I can also see that it laid the ground work for more. It brought us characters known and loved for over a quarter of a century. I don't deny the impact it has.

Beast Wars changed everything for me. I saw that the universe was capable of intelligent writing and new designs for the toys/characters that they hadn't tried yet. G1 was like a car stuck in first gear, Beast Wars shifted and kept it going. Bayverse simply put it into overdrive.

Michael Bay as the God of all Transformerdom? No. 1.) That sounds ridiculous. 2.) The businessmen and Marvel employees responsible for giving it life would like to have a word with you.

Marcdachamp wrote:

_Anshin_ wrote:Lets do everyone a favor. We know you are going to make more movies. quote]

I see this plea at least once a week on this website. You guys DO realize that a Transformers movie with no Earth and no humans would literally kill this franchise, right?

Do you honestly think your casual movie-goer wants to see that? No, they don't. They want to see high-stakes action that makes them gasp and think "Oh my God, what if that did happen here?" The second you take away that human element, we're back to praying for the next Beast Wars to pull the franchise out of the fire.

You want movie-verse prequels and sequels with no humans that take place on Cybertron? Go buy IDW's Movie Prequel and Reign of Starscream comics. They're fun, and they have a majority of robot action.

And as for Statham and Bay? Yeah, I'd be down for that. That would probably be amazing, actually. I would like to see Shia cameo, though.

@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall? I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…

If you like Bayformers that's fine, but don’t deflate a legitimate request or dismiss people as G1 Bay-haters as if there’s no valid reason for the criticism. Not calling out you personally but generally speaking, a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!