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by **5150 Cruiser** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:32 pm

deathy wrote:I also agree that a ALL CGI TF movie taking place on cybertron would work & rake in just as much as the other three live action TF movies.

People keep forgetting,the 1986 movie didn't have the robots done in all 100% CGI.

A few things,
1.- No, the first movie was not done in CGI, it was done intirely in cartoon format.
2.- This was nothing new and was inexpensive. In that regard, there would be no budget differenace if humans, or TF were animated. So in that respect, it would be expected that TF would have more screen time.

deathy wrote:the main attraction to these three live action TF movies is the CGI & always has been..

Your right, but there's the budget to remember. The cost would be 10 times that of what DOTM or ROTF was. That's a big gamble to take on a new concept.

I meantioned this already, but not sure if it wasn't seen cause it got buried on page two. The thing with TF, is that for the most part people (meaning general public, and even the casual fans) reconise them as cars, trucks, airplanes etc. Basicly earth vehicles that transform into giant robots. "Robots in disguise", not Robots on their home planet. And unfortunutly, i'd have to agree with this. I don't want to see a bunch of protoforms or cybertronion vehicles running around. I love seeing hopped up vehicles that i'm familuar with driving down the freeway, transform and tear shit up. Ask anyone about TF and ask them what they remeber Optimus Prime as. I bet you know one will say anyhing but a red/blue semi truck. Protoform Optimus toy from 07' was one of the worst selling toys of the movie line. So while yes, other movies have proven succesfull taking place on other planets, they were also always based on other planets and based around that setting. (EI- star wars has always taken place on other planets and outer space and based on earth or one planet)

by **Kilodom** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:03 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote: I meantioned this already, but not sure if it wasn't seen cause it got buried on page two. The thing with TF, is that for the most part people (meaning general public, and even the casual fans) reconise them as cars, trucks, airplanes etc. Basicly earth vehicles that transform into giant robots. "Robots in disguise", not Robots on their home planet. And unfortunutly, i'd have to agree with this. I don't want to see a bunch of protoforms or cybertronion vehicles running around. I love seeing hopped up vehicles that i'm familuar with driving down the freeway, transform and tear shit up. Ask anyone about TF and ask them what they remeber Optimus Prime as. I bet you know one will say anyhing but a red/blue semi truck. Protoform Optimus toy from 07' was one of the worst selling toys of the movie line. So while yes, other movies have proven succesfull taking place on other planets, they were also always based on other planets and based around that setting. (EI- star wars has always taken place on other planets and outer space and based on earth or one planet)

I remember seeing the protoform toys, but I don't remember what they looked like in detail because I passed them by so quickly, so I'd say that's testimony to them being pretty bad. Look at things like Animated and War for Cybertron (and G1 to some extent), though, where the Cybertronian alt modes were similar to their Earth modes, but in a slightly different, more sci-fi style. No, you're not getting something you could recognize driving down the street per se, but Optimus is still more or less a truck, the tetrajets still look similar to our jets, and so on. Honestly, yes, the slogan's always been 'robots in disguise' and I love being able to point out characters on the streets as much as the next person, but just putting out movie after movie of human vehicles starts to get a little stagnant. We KNOW Optimus is a Peterbilt by now, we KNOW Bumblebee is a Camaro, and Lord knows we've all seen him a million times on the streets by now. Yes, the audience only knows them as these things, but that's because they've never been shown anything otherwise. I don't see any problem with introducing new things to them. If they've liked everything thus far, they could very well enjoy the rest of what the expanded universe has to offer. So why NOT spice things up a little bit once in a while? Doing one Cybertron-based movie set in the PAST doesn't mean you won't get more clearly recognizable human alt-modes in later movies set in the present, it's just something different every once in a while to spice things up.

by **MINDVVIPE** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:38 am

Kilodom wrote:I remember seeing the protoform toys, but I don't remember what they looked like in detail because I passed them by so quickly, so I'd say that's testimony to them being pretty bad. Look at things like Animated and War for Cybertron (and G1 to some extent), though, where the Cybertronian alt modes were similar to their Earth modes, but in a slightly different, more sci-fi style. No, you're not getting something you could recognize driving down the street per se, but Optimus is still more or less a truck, the tetrajets still look similar to our jets, and so on. Honestly, yes, the slogan's always been 'robots in disguise' and I love being able to point out characters on the streets as much as the next person, but just putting out movie after movie of human vehicles starts to get a little stagnant. We KNOW Optimus is a Peterbilt by now, we KNOW Bumblebee is a Camaro, and Lord knows we've all seen him a million times on the streets by now. Yes, the audience only knows them as these things, but that's because they've never been shown anything otherwise. I don't see any problem with introducing new things to them. If they've liked everything thus far, they could very well enjoy the rest of what the expanded universe has to offer. So why NOT spice things up a little bit once in a while? Doing one Cybertron-based movie set in the PAST doesn't mean you won't get more clearly recognizable human alt-modes in later movies set in the present, it's just something different every once in a while to spice things up.

More than just the point you made, but the way you made it.
This is the point i've always been tryin to make. Spice things up. Enough of the same thing over and over. I say: lets starts exploring something new. Lets change the norm of everyone wanting to feel safe in knowing they're going to see somthing they recognize, but somthing new that they actually have to spend time getting into. Something worth the time invested because it offers somthing unlike anything else. But seeing how crappy nowadays movies are (including how much they are botching the new Akira movie) I almost rather not see anything TF on the big screen. 80s animated movie or die.

by **5150 Cruiser** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:53 pm

Kilodom wrote: We KNOW Optimus is a Peterbilt by now, we KNOW Bumblebee is a Camaro, and Lord knows we've all seen him a million times on the streets by now. Yes, the audience only knows them as these things, but that's because they've never been shown anything otherwise. I don't see any problem with introducing new things to them. If they've liked everything thus far, they could very well enjoy the rest of what the expanded universe has to offer.

The problem is its a gamble. A big one. Like it or not, people want to relate to the material they watch. Shows such as Animated can take that lep since they have a much smaller budget and can afford to take such a gamble. not only that, but if rating's start to slip, they can switch gears a bit and take it into a different direction. Can't do that with movies. Like it or not, Human element has, and always will be a part of TF's. Its people like Tyress Gibson, eye candy Rosie and Megan and even the rumored Jason Statham that attract people to movies. (And can even turn them away). This is fact. You don't have to like it, but you can't get away that. personally, i thing Statham would make a good addition to the human cast. He's proven good in his past action flicks, so i don't see why he wouldn't work well in future TF movies.
It all comes down to relating to material. i still stand by my statement that people would much rather see an earth based TF movie than one 100% set on Cybertron. Now what i could see is both mixed toeghter. Half Cybertron, half earth set. Its obviuos that the audience isn't against the idea of alien element in TF movies (DOTM did well concidering the driller and all the CGI decepticon ships). But i would have much rather had the time and effort used in animating those elements in more on screen time for the standard autobot/decpeticon cast. But i get it. Each movie has to out-due the next, and the driller was the next logical step. I have more points, but the lady just finished getting ready, and its time for shopping. :roll: