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PrymeStriker wrote:njb902 wrote:Meh the humans are unimportant.
What a conceited statement. You don't know the plot of the movie, how could you be so sure that they're unimportant? Maybe they aren't to you, but you put that remark so bluntly as if they weren't important at all.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
njb902 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:njb902 wrote:Meh the humans are unimportant.
What a conceited statement. You don't know the plot of the movie, how could you be so sure that they're unimportant? Maybe they aren't to you, but you put that remark so bluntly as if they weren't important at all.
They are unimportant. The only important thing is the giant robots pounding on one another. If the human acting is good kudos to Mr Bay, but it is just so unimportant to me.
This is the Bayverse here, guys. The humans are the focal point of these films. No matter how much we wish against it, that is the sad truth of the matter.MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
njb902 wrote:They are unimportant.
The only important thing is the giant robots pounding on one another.
If the human acting is good kudos to Mr Bay,
but it is just so unimportant to me.
BTW what does my vanity have to do with my previous post?
Sabrblade wrote:njb902 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:njb902 wrote:Meh the humans are unimportant.
What a conceited statement. You don't know the plot of the movie, how could you be so sure that they're unimportant? Maybe they aren't to you, but you put that remark so bluntly as if they weren't important at all.
They are unimportant. The only important thing is the giant robots pounding on one another. If the human acting is good kudos to Mr Bay, but it is just so unimportant to me.This is the Bayverse here, guys. The humans are the focal point of these films. No matter how much we wish against it, that is the sad truth of the matter.MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
Do we have to like that they are? No way. But are they still what these films revolve around? Sadly yes.
These films treat the title characters not as characters but as background effects and plot devices, which is how it's been done and is likely to remain that way if these films continue to be made as they have always been.
I don't like it either, but that's the way these films are. Movies 1-3 were essentially "The Adventures of Sam Witwicky Featuring some robots called the Transformers". I expect there to be little difference with the fourth one sans Mark Walhberg's character replacing Sam as the star.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
T-Macksimus wrote:There is absolutely no plot whatsoever that they could come up with
all the main characters are dead or being drastically overhauled.
At this point, given a choice between TF4, Star Wars: Ep VII or a vasectomy without anesthesia... I'll take the vasectomy and then go see the upcoming crap-fest that will be Ep. VII.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Burn wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
Yeah G1 really annoyed me the way the humans like Spike and Sparkplug kept getting in the way. And then they introduced those bloody Nebulons and they was getting all up in the Transformers business.
T-Macksimus wrote:I think they should crap-can the entire project! There is absolutely no plot whatsoever that they could come up with (Primus help me if you say "What about Unicron?" I will bitch-slap you for that is the WORST idea EVER!!) and all the main characters are dead or being drastically overhauled. So honestly, a 4th movie serves no other point than to reduce once respectable fellow fans to ass-scratching, knuckle dragging neanderthals squabbling over the most inane issues possible and embarrassing themselves and the rest of the fan community in the eyes of the rest of the world. At this point, given a choice between TF4, Star Wars: Ep VII or a vasectomy without anesthesia... I'll take the vasectomy and then go see the upcoming crap-fest that will be Ep. VII. And most of that decision is based on the behavior of my fellow fans!
Sabrblade wrote:The Adventures of Sam Witwicky
PrymeStriker wrote:njb902 wrote:They are unimportant.
The only important thing is the giant robots pounding on one another.
That's the worst story I ever heard.
If the human acting is good kudos to Mr Bay,
What does the acting have to do with the character's importance to the plot? A main character will be a main character, no matter how good or bad an actor it has.but it is just so unimportant to me.
Then say that instead of dismissing a human's importance - period.BTW what does my vanity have to do with my previous post?
I was talking about the vanity of your post, not your personal vanity.
Sabrblade wrote:njb902 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:njb902 wrote:Meh the humans are unimportant.
What a conceited statement. You don't know the plot of the movie, how could you be so sure that they're unimportant? Maybe they aren't to you, but you put that remark so bluntly as if they weren't important at all.
They are unimportant. The only important thing is the giant robots pounding on one another. If the human acting is good kudos to Mr Bay, but it is just so unimportant to me.This is the Bayverse here, guys. The humans are the focal point of these films. No matter how much we wish against it, that is the sad truth of the matter.MINDVVIPE wrote:Meh, the humans are unimportant... I want to see what the TRANSFORMERS do when the DECEPTICONS battle the AUTOBOTS. Not concerned with the life of a human boy, and his unending luck while amidst battling robots with sharp, jagged bodies where any contact during their motion would rip his body into pieces. Formulaic, unfocused, boring... that's what the new movie will be. Flame on.
Do we have to like that they are? No way. But are they still what these films revolve around? Sadly yes.
These films treat the title characters not as characters but as background effects and plot devices, which is how it's been done and is likely to remain that way if these films continue to be made as they have always been.
I don't like it either, but that's the way these films are. Movies 1-3 were essentially "The Adventures of Sam Witwicky Featuring some robots called the Transformers". I expect there to be little difference with the fourth one sans Mark Walhberg's character replacing Sam as the star.
Thank you.
Mykltron wrote:No one wondering why the daughter has a boyfriend AND a love interest?
Reynor will take over the lead role initially played by Shia LaBeouf, who starred in the original three films, which are based on the Marvel comic series. Reynor is expected to play the love interest of Mark Wahlberg’s character’s daughter.
Fiction-wise, the Marvel Comics came first, before the cartoon.Rushie wrote:Also, "based on the Marvel comic series"?? How about: based on the (Japanese) toys? Or the 80's cartoon series? Those are surely more well known.
Thing is, they wanted him to be the common everyman that people could relate to, so they had him undergo a lot of common firsts: First car, first girlfriend, first day of college, first "I love you", first job, etc. Problem was that everything else in the movies (with the giant alien robots trying to kill each other) was more interesting, but they didn't get that and so kept milking Shia's role of Sam as the relatable Average Joe as much as they did.RiddlerJ wrote:Instead, the movies focus on Sam with his job hunts and girlfriends and parents and tons of other nonsense. The sequels intentually remove him from involvement from the main story and then bend over backward to work him back into the plot for no reason other than to complicate things. For parts 2 and 3 he should have been working for Nest from the get go, not spend 2/3's of the movie trying to worm his way back in.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Fiction-wise, the Marvel Comics came first, before the cartoon.Rushie wrote:Also, "based on the Marvel comic series"?? How about: based on the (Japanese) toys? Or the 80's cartoon series? Those are surely more well known.
I would agree, but the Marvel comics also had their fair share of lousy humans who took the spotlight more than they should have: Donny Finkleberg, Bomber Bill, Joey Slick, Cliff Dietz, the Spacehiker children, the Roadjammers, and worst of all, the Mechanic.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah. And if they actually wrote the scripts based on the Marvel comics, the stories would be more fun and interesting. Because they would be about Transformers. I would love to see some of the Marvel story arcs put on screen. But I guess I am biased, because that's what i grew up with and that's what I hold every other series in comparison to.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Fiction-wise, the Marvel Comics came first, before the cartoon.Rushie wrote:Also, "based on the Marvel comic series"?? How about: based on the (Japanese) toys? Or the 80's cartoon series? Those are surely more well known.
As for the toys, though the original molds were Japanese in origin, they weren't Transformers toys until Hasbro released them in America in 1984. Transformers didn't come to Japan until 1985.
Thing is, they wanted him to be the common everyman that people could relate to, so they had him undergo a lot of common firsts: First car, first girlfriend, first day of college, first "I love you", first job, etc. Problem was that everything else in the movies (with the giant alien robots trying to kill each other) was more interesting, but they didn't get that and so kept milking Shia's role of Sam as the relatable Average Joe as much as they did.RiddlerJ wrote:Instead, the movies focus on Sam with his job hunts and girlfriends and parents and tons of other nonsense. The sequels intentually remove him from involvement from the main story and then bend over backward to work him back into the plot for no reason other than to complicate things. For parts 2 and 3 he should have been working for Nest from the get go, not spend 2/3's of the movie trying to worm his way back in.
Nah, he learned a lot overtime. How to scream, how to whine, how to yell, how to moan, how to make you question why you saw these films, etc.njb902 wrote:My problem with Sam was that I didn't feel like he grew at all as a person/character. The Sam we had in transformers was the same Sam in Dark of the Moon.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Nah, he learned a lot overtime. How to scream, how to whine, how to yell, how to moan, how to make you question why you saw these films, etc.njb902 wrote:My problem with Sam was that I didn't feel like he grew at all as a person/character. The Sam we had in transformers was the same Sam in Dark of the Moon.
njb902 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Fiction-wise, the Marvel Comics came first, before the cartoon.Rushie wrote:Also, "based on the Marvel comic series"?? How about: based on the (Japanese) toys? Or the 80's cartoon series? Those are surely more well known.
As for the toys, though the original molds were Japanese in origin, they weren't Transformers toys until Hasbro released them in America in 1984. Transformers didn't come to Japan until 1985.
Thing is, they wanted him to be the common everyman that people could relate to, so they had him undergo a lot of common firsts: First car, first girlfriend, first day of college, first "I love you", first job, etc. Problem was that everything else in the movies (with the giant alien robots trying to kill each other) was more interesting, but they didn't get that and so kept milking Shia's role of Sam as the relatable Average Joe as much as they did.RiddlerJ wrote:Instead, the movies focus on Sam with his job hunts and girlfriends and parents and tons of other nonsense. The sequels intentually remove him from involvement from the main story and then bend over backward to work him back into the plot for no reason other than to complicate things. For parts 2 and 3 he should have been working for Nest from the get go, not spend 2/3's of the movie trying to worm his way back in.
My problem with Sam was that I didn't feel like he grew at all as a person/character. The Sam we had in transformers was the same Sam in Dark of the Moon.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Pfft, that was pitiful. Screamer's all wailing around like a child instead of, you know, pulling the darn thing out of his eye. Sure, it would have been painful, but it'd be like ripping off a band-aid for him and would make him look less like a pathetic baby. Grow a spinal rod, Screamer.PrymeStriker wrote:Although, he did kick Starscream's ass.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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