Ominous Prime wrote:Acting talent is pretty irrelevant. By all accounts John Malkovich was a magnificent actor too... and look what all that talent was reduced to in Dark of the Moon.
Given how the "crazy" level for every character keeps getting amped up further with each Transformers film, I'm expecting every single character in TF:4 to be at "Jim Carrey on a sugar high" levels of crazy. If any cast member can actually fit anything close to a meaningful performance into the midst of that insanity, I will be most impressed.
Gotta agree with this. Honestly, I just don't know what's wrong with Bay when it comes to Transformers; if memory serves, the characters in Bad Boys and The Rock weren't nearly as crazy or annoying as the TF movies.
Mekatron wrote:If these horrible movies have made so much money... just imagine how well a GOOD Transformers movie would do. The success of the first three only tells me that people must REALLY love Transformers... even when they're covered in crap.
More like they love flashy fight scenes with big explosions and CGI robo-aliens trying to kill each other, as well as cool-looking military technology, hot eye-candy babe actresses, and fanservicey stud actors, and well-known voice actors the public recognizes (Peter Cullen for the fanbody, Hugo Weaving and Leonard Nimoy for the casual moviegoers).
That's what made these movies popular, not the Transformer characters themselves.
Sad but true.
I know, since I'm a part of that audience. I left TF's behind along with all my childhood memories when I reached my teens, and it was the cool CGI designs of the Bayverse robots and those over-the-top transformation scenes that got me interested in Transformers again.
I have to make one slight change to Saberblades comment about the VA's: Leonard Nimoy should be included on the list for the Fanboys as well as the casual moviegoers. Having any member of the original 1986 animated movies cast be a part of the new films is a huge plus from a fanboys pov.
Skywarped, it's great having your input on coming back to the movies/fandom since so many on here, especially the Bay haters, are folks that have stuck with it throughout and have only one perspective on the franchise in general and the movie franchise in particular. The "die-hards" (or at least a lot of them) need to actually get over themselves and listen to the other fans and open their minds a bit.
This is my message for the folks regarding the films:
The biggest problem with the franchise isn't who is at the helm of these movies, it's not the actors, it's not always even the script. It's the fans and the inability for most of them to realize that they (personally) are not the center of the TF universe.
This goes out to every TF moviegoer or TF fan that refuses to see the films: Stop being a selfish prick!! The audience range for these films is somewhere between 8 and 40 something so how dare you, in your arrogance, call something a complete piece of crap when you cannot POSSIBLY create something that will please everyone in that range. YOU didn't like it so it is therefore garbage?? Dude, seriously...there's the door to the fandom, don't let it hit your ass on the way out! When are you people going to learn that no 2 individuals, regardless of whether they are fans of the same topic, are going to see the same thing the same way.
I've said it a thousand times on here; Art, music, books, movies...these are all subjective, all open to different interpretation for each and every person. The live action films have to have something for everyone. You may not like that fact but you had damn well better accept it because it is not going to change, not for you and your narrow-minded pov, not for anyone.
On the off chance that that didn't infuriate enough of my fellow fans on here:
Bay at the helm of TF4... I don't care. Might as well keep him since we are used to it by now.
Wahlberg in the leading role... I'm totally cool with that.
Redesigned Characters... I'm cool with that too. Not like I'll be buying the toys anyways so I don't really care what they look like on screen except for Optimus staying as a truck. That's just iconic Prime for ya.
Unicron as a plot point... Biggest GD mistake they could make! I'd rather gouge out vital parts of my anatomy with a spork than put up with Unicron in the live action films. He died in 1986 along with his VA as far as I'm concerned. Show some respect for the past and leave him the hell ALONE!
Fox/Whitley style eye candy... absolutely DOES NOT belong in the TF universe, did NOTHING for the films. Inappropriate and unnecessary.
Anything that I may have left out, anyones buttons I haven't pushed, just let me know and I'll be happy to bring up a topic that WILL irritate/berate you and give me an opportunity to piss in your cornflakes. That's what I'm here for.