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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Tekka » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:04 am

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Tekka wrote:Far too much stock is put into a movie's director. Personally I couldn't give a flying hoot who the director is, so long as they help put out a quality product.

But... There will be no Transformers 4... My crystal ball told me so.



I guarantee you we'd have completely different movies now if chris columbus or joe johnstone directed the first transformers movie.

I know Christopher Columbus sailed to the new world... But other than that I'm afraid I have no idea who they are or what they've done. :P
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:24 am

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I was on board with the Peter Jackson idea, but "District 9" kinda puts that in doubts. I don't know if it was bad acting or just the story, but that movie seemed soul-less.

My vote would be for Christopher Nolan or Zack Snyder or Guillermo del Toro to write AND direct it. I also would like for a fan favorite Transformer comic storywriter to help said director write a real Transformers story.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Screamfleet » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:47 am

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Tekka wrote:Far too much stock is put into a movie's director. Personally I couldn't give a flying hoot who the director is, so long as they help put out a quality product.

But... There will be no Transformers 4... My crystal ball told me so.



I guarantee you we'd have completely different movies now if chris columbus or joe johnstone directed the first transformers movie.

I know Christopher Columbus sailed to the new world... But other than that I'm afraid I have no idea who they are or what they've done. :P


Chris Colombus actually founded a studio called 1492 pictures, as if to make his name more confusing.

He wrote goonies and gremlins, directed the first 2 harry potter movies, the home alone movies.
He has an entirely different kind of charm in his movies.

Then again, if back in 2006 he was to do it, people would have been like "great, mrs.doubtfire is going to be in transformers"
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Bonecrusher27 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:48 am

Two things to consider are

1. Some of the characters some of us have gotten fond of, such as movie Bumblebee, or OP will probably be different, dashing hopes of finally having a movie that can start building up characterization

2. Given that reboots always changes a new series of actors, we may not be getting Peter Cullen as the voice of OP.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:06 am

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Bonecrusher27 wrote:Two things to consider are

1. Some of the characters some of us have gotten fond of, such as movie Bumblebee, or OP will probably be different, dashing hopes of finally having a movie that can start building up characterization

2. Given that reboots always changes a new series of actors, we may not be getting Peter Cullen as the voice of OP.



I thought about that too. If Peter Cullen isn't onboard for a reboot, I would shoot for a new characterization of Rodimus Prime...as much as i hate Rodimus, it could be done.

Maybe something along the lines of, "As Optimus Prime limps away from the final ending to Transformers 3, a new Decepticon, 'Galvatron' appears from no where and destroys Optimus Prime. Completely disintegrating him except for the Matrix of Leadership, which falls on the ground. Only to be picked up by a young autobot by the name of Hot Rod..."

But this time, leave out the whiney, emo-lovin crap train personality that was G1 Rodimus Prime.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Tekka » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:24 am

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Tekka wrote:
Screamfleet wrote:
Tekka wrote:Far too much stock is put into a movie's director. Personally I couldn't give a flying hoot who the director is, so long as they help put out a quality product.

But... There will be no Transformers 4... My crystal ball told me so.



I guarantee you we'd have completely different movies now if chris columbus or joe johnstone directed the first transformers movie.

I know Christopher Columbus sailed to the new world... But other than that I'm afraid I have no idea who they are or what they've done. :P


Chris Colombus actually founded a studio called 1492 pictures, as if to make his name more confusing.

He wrote goonies and gremlins, directed the first 2 harry potter movies, the home alone movies.
He has an entirely different kind of charm in his movies.

Then again, if back in 2006 he was to do it, people would have been like "great, mrs.doubtfire is going to be in transformers"


Cool, cool, I see.

Lol, I guess the advantage of not knowing who anyone is, is it's easier to view a project with no prejudice.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby GodMagnus » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:57 am

Tekka wrote:Far too much stock is put into a movie's director. Personally I couldn't give a flying hoot who the director is, so long as they help put out a quality product.

But... There will be no Transformers 4... My crystal ball told me so.


Directors matter a whole lot. Some directors know how to get a good performance out of actors, and some don't. A film can have a really good script, and you put the wrong director in the chair and they'll screw it all up.

Think about this. Would you want Uwe Boll directing a Transformers movie?
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Tekka » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:03 am

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I would not care.

*Though I suppose I should clarfify. I'm not saying directors aren't important, but they're just one cog in a large movie making machine. It's not going to matter how awesome anyone thinks a particular director is if the rest of the production team are ****.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Grendel » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:07 am

alternator77 wrote:tf 4? highly unlikely sseing as shockwave,megatron,starscream,andsoundwave bite the big one maybe a reboot from the beginning but a direct sequel no thanks the first 2 movies i was all over but this one is a big pass.



sort of like highlander, 2 never happened?

or sumerman returns, none of the ones after Zod happened
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Grendel » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:10 am

GodMagnus wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:The ultimate irony, of course, will be when the Bayhaters get their messiah figure in the form of a new director and what he directs will be nothing like Transformers. I don't mean the superficial things like new designs or slightly more human emphasis that Bayhaters complain about. I mean total obliteration of everything that makes Transformers what it is for the sake of the director's "artistic vision."

You can imagine it based on the director you chose:

Nolan - Gritty realism for realism's sake. Expect Transformers to be human constructs and not Cybertronian: no sparks, no Matrix. Expect Nolan to turn characters into self inserts to spout his socio-political beliefs alongside tons of faux cerebral plot elements.'

Snyder - Brown n' bloom, gritty as hell, ultraviolence, even more shallow characters than the Bayverse. Also SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOspeedup!SLOOOOOWMOOOOOOspeedup!.

Spielberg - The main cast is a group of kids all 12 or younger. The Transformers don't have speaking rolls and are all cutesy and have a total 1 minute of screentime. Also Optimus Prime survives a nuclear blast by hiding in a fridge and Shia Lebouf is still in it somehow.

Lucas - Mind blowing visuals on an epic scale, adds unnecessary "scientific" explanations for the mysterious aspects of Cybertronian life (mitichlorians, much?). Will be fine at release but get rereleased 20 times, each new cut worse than the last until everyone hates it.

Abrams - No plot, no lore, just a sequence of events that will make no sense unless you religiously followed the Alternate Reality Game that was active in the years leading up to the film's release. It's also all a dream, except when it's really time travel.

Basically what I'm trying to say is be careful what you wish for. You just might get it and regret it. Then you'll be begging for Bay to return.


I'm far from a Bay hater. I have every single one of his movies on DVD. He's one of my favorite directors. I just don't think that he's right for Transformers.

Now as far as directors goes, I don't like any of the ones you picked. My director of choice would be either Peter Jackson or Neill Blomkamp.



not a bayhater per say, just wich the movies could have been about transformers, and not shai lebouf and the army.

i could see peter jackson maybe being able to pull off a decent TF movie
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:10 am

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vegetacron wrote:My vote would be for Christopher Nolan or Zack Snyder or Guillermo del Toro to write AND direct it. I also would like for a fan favorite Transformer comic storywriter to help said director write a real Transformers story.


That would be truely awesome. I've never seen one of his movies in it's entirety, but I like his style just as much as I like Bay's.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:49 am

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GodMagnus wrote:Think about this. Would you want Uwe Boll directing a Transformers movie?


How do you know he hasn't already? lol
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:45 pm

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GodMagnus wrote:Think about this. Would you want Uwe Boll directing a Transformers movie?


How do you he hasn't already? lol

Have you ever even seen an Uwe Boll movie?
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby GodMagnus » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:52 pm

If anyone studio exec ever lets Mr. Boll anywhere next to anything that has to do with Transformers, it would have to be because they're snorting that new flesh eating cocaine.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Red 50 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:10 pm

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Honestly speaking, the fan of the movies that I am, I DON'T want a fourth movie. The movie-verse ended with DOTM. What point would there be in continuing the series when all the Baddie-leaders are dead? Yes, more can become, but that's just overstretching the series.

Seriously, it's over. Time to move on.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:20 pm

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Red 50 wrote:Honestly speaking, the fan of the movies that I am, I DON'T want a fourth movie. The movie-verse ended with DOTM. What point would there be in continuing the series when all the Baddie-leaders are dead? Yes, more can become, but that's just overstretching the series.

Seriously, it's over. Time to move on.



I dunno. Ask J. R. R. Tolkien why he didn't quit after the first novel he wrote. Ask Stan Lee why he decided to produce more than 1 Spider Man comic book.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Capt.Failure » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:53 pm

vegetacron wrote:
Red 50 wrote:Honestly speaking, the fan of the movies that I am, I DON'T want a fourth movie. The movie-verse ended with DOTM. What point would there be in continuing the series when all the Baddie-leaders are dead? Yes, more can become, but that's just overstretching the series.

Seriously, it's over. Time to move on.



I dunno. Ask J. R. R. Tolkien why he didn't quit after the first novel he wrote. Ask Stan Lee why he decided to produce more than 1 Spider Man comic book.


Actually the only things Tolkien had published Lord of the Rings related in his lifetime were the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings books themselves. Anything else was published by his family after he died. People mostly hated those books when they first debuted.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:43 pm

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The point of it is, 'Why didn't Tolkien quit after The Hobbit?"
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:09 pm

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What about James Cameron?
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

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As long as a competent director can make a good alternate franchise then i wouldn't care much about who would be chosen.

But as long as it won't be M.Night Shyamalan, the foolish man who humiliated "Avatar: The Last Airbender" series with his movie version.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby Midnight_Fox » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:13 pm

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vegetacron wrote:The point of it is, 'Why didn't Tolkien quit after The Hobbit?"


If he had, we'd have people wondering why he didn't write more novels like we do with poor Ms. Harper Lee.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby The Dude » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:07 pm

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Ok. Think about this.

Tim Burton.

Can you imagine how freaking cool a Tim Burton-style Transformer would look? Can you imagine all the crazy awesome sets on a Burton-influenced Cybertron? Can you imagine Johnny Depp as Optimus Prime?
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby vegetacron » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:09 am

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No, but he would make for an interesting Optimus Prime.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby partholon » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:38 am

give JJ abrhams IDWs inflitration trade and let him loose.

problem solved.

(TBH it'd probably be inflitration and esclation put together with a bit of tweeking, but THAT would be a decent TF film )

i actually think bay is the perfect director for TF.

he just shouldnt be able to be involved in any other area of the flim besides that

him aside maybe john favreau could give it a shot. iron man was alright and cowboys Vs aliens looks pretty good.
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Re: Transformers 4 Director?

Postby G1 Smoketreader » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:46 am

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As far as I'm concerned, Bay totally shat on the TFs.If he had not been shat on in turn for the so-called failure of Rotf, I insist his attitude towards the actual TFs would not have changed very much at all. Although I DO like the movies, and have zero hatred of Rotf, I have a lot of gripe at how the TFs were mismanaged in name and place (I like most of the designs just fine).

A while ago, I had read a very old book called Emile. It's an antiquated work now, discussing pretty much the reinvention of the Education system as a scientifically monitorable occurence after the renaissance had run its' course and left its' new outlook behind it.
It stated, and I paraphrase, that if a country child and a city child are both left in a room of affluent decor and atmosphere, the country child can be expected to touch nothing, whilst the city child can be expected to begin to touch everything, and eventually begin to break some items in the room.
For whatever reason, once I read that, I was immediately very concerned that Bay would sabotage the films so nobody could pick up where he left off easily, especially after the total removal from the map, the total wiping off from the face of the planet, of Mikaela, Jolt and the Arcees (and now the Twins). I called it.I agree with those who believe it (this version of sabotage) has been attempted with the ending of DotM.

I totally understand that this film line is not G1, and now that I have learnt to know that,I honestly feel things are better this way.Like very many I hope to see more films in continuum of these 3 and I personally think reboots are just a very bad and dangerous idea unless Hasbro/Hollywood is smart enough to collect several independant reboot scripts and then collect only the very best aspects of each and put them into one film or saga.

Quickly, I want to state that I understand exactly how biased and even cruel I sound here.Call me bigoted, but I didn't start it.I have read all the discussions (that I found) regarding the attitude of the fan base and our consideration to be owed something.Even if we are not owed something (which I maintain as debateable since I continue to argue that we carried the TFs through from the 80s to today, making our relationship with TFs longer and experience deeper) it is others who nevertheless have the recognised qualifications to assemble storylines.It is obvious that we should respect their places in this community,but we,too, should be considered worthy of note whenever we criticise something they do, positively or negatively. I have read the warnings about how fanwank stories will only please fans and possibly trash the films.I totally understand and have no counterarguments.These warnings are very legitimate,

BUT Michael Bay has not done a good job with the TF product, according to plenty of TF fans, debates on the defenition of fan not withstanding(All are one).
By rearranging so much, he has wrecked many of the (traditionally foreseeable) follow-ups to the TF mythos,thereby sabotaging the greater expansion of a single line of films into what at this time has a life expectancy (Unicron or Reboot) unless it is handled with caution for the next few phases.
I strongly believe that Michael Bay worked this out, during the Rotf 'aftermath' when he wrongly killed off his praise of this just fine film, flawed where he ordered a script and ignored it to shoot for his edit.He worked out we DO like his work,but it was too late.

Therefore, let me see many directors directing many TF films. If Michael Bay is allowed to do whatever he wants, so are the rest. I suspect the storyline will be better for it.I insist that the overall layout of the 3 Bay films is absolutely ripe for multidirectionalist expansion by new blood.(Comics are not new blood, nor is a Hasbro policy from last year or last decade,nor is Steven Spielberg).

Yes, there are writers to point at.The director knows how to read and has a diploma qualifying him to judge a script.Bay chose not to go with TFs-his greatest success-yet did choose to go with the scripts-the matter still under disussion today.He knows how to remind everyone that he is the Boss, but when does he actually take charge?Is it correct to say that he saw holes and let them be as long as he was getting his way elsewhere? Furthermore, Hasbro is the overall employer.If there was ever a moment that they should have stepped in to reign things in, it appears that they just stood by instead.
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