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Burn wrote:Good to know there are people out there who will judge me negatively based on my taste in movies.

Ask a leading question, don't expect a mealy-mouth reply.

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:ALL of Bay's movies are lowest denominator crap, which is exactly why they make money. You can guess my assessment of humanity from that…

So wars, murder, and all the other horrible things humans do you're ok with. But a few movies you don't like are popular is what crosses the line?

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:ALL of Bay's movies are lowest denominator crap, which is exactly why they make money. You can guess my assessment of humanity from that…

So wars, murder, and all the other horrible things humans do you're ok with. But a few movies you don't like are popular is what crosses the line?

I don't think he was expressing that. I think he is expressing in media/movie/tv terms. And I tend to agree with him. He is certainly not the worst director out there. But his movies tend to be unintentionally comically cliched, over the top, dramatized, unnecessary slow-mo, female eye-candy at odd times. To me, all Bay is trying to do is hit a male's wet dream. And he does it successfully, but I agree with NMS - that means, Bay is reaching for the lowest demoninator - sex & action appeal, without much plot or intelligence to the movie.

Well yeah, he's making the movies to appeal to a wide demographic. What's wrong with making something that a lot of people will enjoy? I don't understand why some people have to get so damn antagonistic about it. It's not like the success of the Transformers movies means other movies can't get made. I can enjoy a movie that's all about action and over the top effects just as much as I can enjoy one that focuses of character development and a well structured story. There's no reason to spend years whining about 1 movie and childishly insulting the people who like it when hundreds of other movies, books, video games, and plays are made every year. Crawl out from under your bridge, find one you like, and quit trying to drag everyone else into your miserable ball of hatred.

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:

Burn wrote:

NemesisMonkeySupreme wrote:ALL of Bay's movies are lowest denominator crap, which is exactly why they make money. You can guess my assessment of humanity from that…

So i'm guessing because I liked the movies you don't think too highly of me then? Or my family and work colleagues?

You would be correct. I don't understand why people feel they have to check their brains at the door to be entertained. It's lazy and just keeps getting worse with each reiteration.

You asked… Mr. Moderator.

And in case the subject comes up again, I also can no longer watch the original cartoons (which I loved as a kid) for almost the same reason. Though at least they weren't pretending to be (self-)important.

If you think the Transformers movies are in any way pretentious films that try to sell themselves as more than what they are (read: mindlessly entertaining summer blockbusters) than I feel sorry for you.

As for "checking their brains at the door," why is that a bad thing? I spend most of my day with my brain on overdrive. Sometimes I don't want to think for awhile when being entertained. Holding that against someone says a lot about you as a person. Yet you accuse these films of being pretentious? Ha!

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Well yeah, he's making the movies to appeal to a wide demographic. What's wrong with making something that a lot of people will enjoy? I don't understand why some people have to get so damn antagonistic about it. It's not like the success of the Transformers movies means other movies can't get made. I can enjoy a movie that's all about action and over the top effects just as much as I can enjoy one that focuses of character development and a well structured story. There's no reason to spend years whining about 1 movie and childishly insulting the people who like it when hundreds of other movies, books, video games, and plays are made every year. Crawl out from under your bridge, find one you like, and quit trying to drag everyone else into your miserable ball of hatred.

It's the common thread with entertainment right now. The Intellectuals vs the Plebians. The video game equivalent is Hardcore Gamers vs Casual Gamers.

Entertainment for entertainment's sake is sacrilege to these people. It's why Bay is so hated by critics and their pseudo-intellectual ilk. Because he has the audacity to make films that don't cater directly to them. I won't say the Transformers films are works of art, but the worst movies of the last decade? A slap in the face to the fandom? Elitism and nostalgia. Nothing more.

Galvatron! Thundercracker! Cyclonus! Unicron!

Please? PLEASE??

prowl123 wrote:Galvatron! Thundercracker! Cyclonus! Unicron!

Please? PLEASE??

I'm hoping for Unicron the most. He'd provide a threat that would require a whole series of films to stop giving the series a more unified feel. While the the first trilogy was good the stories only loosely tied into one another. I think a more cohesive narrative between three films would go a long way.

And Galvatron too, because Galvatron.

Capt.Failure wrote:

prowl123 wrote:Galvatron! Thundercracker! Cyclonus! Unicron!

Please? PLEASE??

I'm hoping for Unicron the most. He'd provide a threat that would require a whole series of films to stop giving the series a more unified feel. While the the first trilogy was good the stories only loosely tied into one another. I think a more cohesive narrative between three films would go a long way.

And Galvatron too, because Galvatron.

I think Galvatron would be a natural progression. Interesting to see how he'll come about if they don't include Unicron though.

Frankly I don't give a damn if it's a reboot or a continuation - all I want is them to make the movie so I could watch it once or twice and then buy the god-damn DVD and MAYBE buy some action-figures

First - I am happy for any TF movie. Good or bad, it will have at least something I like.

Second - What is the point of speculation right now? This is what happens before every movie, and most of it is wrong anyway.

Third - If Bay didn't create movies that sold and made money, we literally would not be discussing this. There would simply be no movie.

Last - The movies are a big factor in whether or not we get cool toys or not. Movies create a market.