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Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby iaconportland » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:44 am

Sorry, if Flint Dille is involved, count me out. I still haven't forgiven him for killing Optimus Prime in 1986.

Okay, I kid - this looks great...hopefully I'll be able to grab it.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby DTR69 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:07 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Delicon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:34 am

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iaconportland wrote:Sorry, if Flint Dille is involved, count me out. I still haven't forgiven him for killing Optimus Prime in 1986.

Okay, I kid - this looks great...hopefully I'll be able to grab it.


I know you were joking, but Flint is actually one of the coolest guys associated with the old G1 stuff in that he actually does still care about and follow with the opinions of TF fans. He's actually stated on his Facebook page that he's treating this as a work in progress and fan input will definitely have an impact on much of the story arc.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Chaoslock » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:31 am

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby DTR69 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:42 am

Chaoslock wrote:
DTR69 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.


Was just using Iraq as an example, most of our wars are the same, but it's the same moralistic humble high ground. But my main point is that, not only are they aliens but they are transforming robots, but there behaviour is too similar to humans, and westernised humans at that. SUrely there must be some areas that would be different, and it would be alot of fun to explore that, and war is about exploitation, and the evolvement of power. One side feels they have evolved in a more superior way and that they are better, or like dictators they have been gven power and us ethat to exploit those that provide that power. There are many variations but the point is that someone is exploiting someone else, it's those variations that should be outline din this story and the variation should be something specific to the transformer race. Even the way they talk is just too human. Anothe rthing that always puzzles me is the batman utility belt situation, there always seems to be a transformer who has a unique ability that others don't have a the right miment. WHy can only one transformer smell. These arer robots, so why can;t they all be uograded with that feature.
WHy do transformers transform, it's a drastic rac trait to have been given or evolve, so why doesn;t it play a greater roll. I think it's such a deal breakker, and I find it hard to understand why it is hard for game developers to make it essential to transform in games, even fighting I can see it so useful, to be able to drive into an enemy then transform and start layoing into them all in one move, but even in wfc it seems liek an after thought. WHy aren't there alt modes more war friendly, remeber when soundwave transforms into street furniture, yes a boring alt mode, but thats useful in a war.
From the outsid ethis looks to be a matur gritty story with alot of promise and going straight for the jugular, but it still lacks the point of what it is to be a transformer. All life is form follows function and if hey are making them life like as possible, they need to follow there function which is transforming robot snot human beings. It's like old Marvel comics when the illustrators drew the hands like humans as it was easy to draw what they knew, and the same goes here for the writers, they are writing a great story becuas ethe subject matter is base don what they know, ot's time they looked at the subjetc matter and take a reall risk and write about what they don't know, they can;t research it, bit hey can look at how, morals differ across the globe, and how animals conduct there lives and how the difference in form and function dictates there morals an dbehaviour, even location plays a big part, so does situation, a lack of food energy or whatever, makes people act different ly, but different types of people act differently in those situations, so surely a robot race would also have differences. Yes they are showing prime not to be perfect, but I want to see something different than what is hown in human stories. I hat eBay films, but there's that moment when ironhode wants to shoot spikes dog, as he doesn't understand the human and og relationship, he thinks its just like a rat, that is what I'm talking about, I don't want to see robots in a bar drinking oil, I don;t want to see a non gender race, having fembots with robot titties, I want to see things I have never seen before, maybe they do drink oil socialy, but not in a bar eating energon goodies.
Yes this id different but not different enough, and differnt for the sake of different is not different it's actually the norm nowdays. If this is the best they can do then I'll accept ti, as it's nice to see a mature approach and it's a step in the right direction, and teh detah of prime, was a sign that they are willing to take things further, and it shows that G1 is not just a story to be recycled, it is actually alive and kicking, mores o than when it wa sin it's hayday.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Delicon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:15 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:
DTR69 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.


Was just using Iraq as an example, most of our wars are the same, but it's the same moralistic humble high ground. But my main point is that, not only are they aliens but they are transforming robots, but there behaviour is too similar to humans, and westernised humans at that. SUrely there must be some areas that would be different, and it would be alot of fun to explore that, and war is about exploitation, and the evolvement of power. One side feels they have evolved in a more superior way and that they are better, or like dictators they have been gven power and us ethat to exploit those that provide that power. There are many variations but the point is that someone is exploiting someone else, it's those variations that should be outline din this story and the variation should be something specific to the transformer race. Even the way they talk is just too human. Anothe rthing that always puzzles me is the batman utility belt situation, there always seems to be a transformer who has a unique ability that others don't have a the right miment. WHy can only one transformer smell. These arer robots, so why can;t they all be uograded with that feature.
WHy do transformers transform, it's a drastic rac trait to have been given or evolve, so why doesn;t it play a greater roll. I think it's such a deal breakker, and I find it hard to understand why it is hard for game developers to make it essential to transform in games, even fighting I can see it so useful, to be able to drive into an enemy then transform and start layoing into them all in one move, but even in wfc it seems liek an after thought. WHy aren't there alt modes more war friendly, remeber when soundwave transforms into street furniture, yes a boring alt mode, but thats useful in a war.
From the outsid ethis looks to be a matur gritty story with alot of promise and going straight for the jugular, but it still lacks the point of what it is to be a transformer. All life is form follows function and if hey are making them life like as possible, they need to follow there function which is transforming robot snot human beings. It's like old Marvel comics when the illustrators drew the hands like humans as it was easy to draw what they knew, and the same goes here for the writers, they are writing a great story becuas ethe subject matter is base don what they know, ot's time they looked at the subjetc matter and take a reall risk and write about what they don't know, they can;t research it, bit hey can look at how, morals differ across the globe, and how animals conduct there lives and how the difference in form and function dictates there morals an dbehaviour, even location plays a big part, so does situation, a lack of food energy or whatever, makes people act different ly, but different types of people act differently in those situations, so surely a robot race would also have differences. Yes they are showing prime not to be perfect, but I want to see something different than what is hown in human stories. I hat eBay films, but there's that moment when ironhode wants to shoot spikes dog, as he doesn't understand the human and og relationship, he thinks its just like a rat, that is what I'm talking about, I don't want to see robots in a bar drinking oil, I don;t want to see a non gender race, having fembots with robot titties, I want to see things I have never seen before, maybe they do drink oil socialy, but not in a bar eating energon goodies.
Yes this id different but not different enough, and differnt for the sake of different is not different it's actually the norm nowdays. If this is the best they can do then I'll accept ti, as it's nice to see a mature approach and it's a step in the right direction, and teh detah of prime, was a sign that they are willing to take things further, and it shows that G1 is not just a story to be recycled, it is actually alive and kicking, mores o than when it wa sin it's hayday.


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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:52 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:20 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
Like I've said in the past, thank goodness for Rescue Bots. :D
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:35 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
Like I've said in the past, thank goodness for Rescue Bots. :D

I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:12 am

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:35 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D


Legit question. Are you serious? My interest might be... piqued.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:06 pm

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D


Legit question. Are you serious? My interest might be... piqued.
You haven't seen it yet? Dude, this show is SMART! It treats the audience with loads of respect, never talking down to us at all. It exceeded all my expectation by a landslide.

In my honest opinion, it accomplished more in just two episodes than Darkness Rising did in five. And, many others have openly stated that those two episodes alone featured more characterization than Prime did in its entire 26-episode first season.

And, this is just me, but it probably has the most unique and creative theme song of any Transformers series, being the very first lyrical TF theme song to not even have the word "Transformers" in it.

I plan to give a full fledged review of its first two episodes at some point, though I have already done informal reviews of them back when they aired.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby MYoung23 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:52 am

I've read Autocracy and I liked it.

It continues the theme laid down in Megatron Origins that Megatron had a good reason to start an uprising. Autocracy draws a lot of parallels to situations of today. The Autobots of that time, well many of them, most likely did't see the government as bad and were just enforcing the rule of law. So when you have this uprising that turns into a war what is going to be their perspective?

It's the whole one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter notion. We see it in Israel and we saw another dynamic of it in Iraq where US forces in their effort to root out insurgents wound up harming the civilians they were supposed to be protecting and therefore turned more against them with their tactics.

Even though we know now that Megatron's cause was quickly corrupted by his psychopathic nature and megalomania the beginnings of it all weren't black and white.

I'm intrigued by the direction of Autocracy.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby Chaoslock » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:38 pm

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Autocracy #2: The writers succeeded in making a bigger idiot than TFA Sentinel Prime. Congratz.
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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:38 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:Autocracy #2: The writers succeeded in making a bigger idiot than TFA Sentinel Prime. Congratz.


... And my gladness of not buying the comics is reinforced a hundredfold.
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