DTR69 wrote:Chaoslock wrote:DTR69 wrote:RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.
I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.
Was just using Iraq as an example, most of our wars are the same, but it's the same moralistic humble high ground. But my main point is that, not only are they aliens but they are transforming robots, but there behaviour is too similar to humans, and westernised humans at that. SUrely there must be some areas that would be different, and it would be alot of fun to explore that, and war is about exploitation, and the evolvement of power. One side feels they have evolved in a more superior way and that they are better, or like dictators they have been gven power and us ethat to exploit those that provide that power. There are many variations but the point is that someone is exploiting someone else, it's those variations that should be outline din this story and the variation should be something specific to the transformer race. Even the way they talk is just too human. Anothe rthing that always puzzles me is the batman utility belt situation, there always seems to be a transformer who has a unique ability that others don't have a the right miment. WHy can only one transformer smell. These arer robots, so why can;t they all be uograded with that feature.
WHy do transformers transform, it's a drastic rac trait to have been given or evolve, so why doesn;t it play a greater roll. I think it's such a deal breakker, and I find it hard to understand why it is hard for game developers to make it essential to transform in games, even fighting I can see it so useful, to be able to drive into an enemy then transform and start layoing into them all in one move, but even in wfc it seems liek an after thought. WHy aren't there alt modes more war friendly, remeber when soundwave transforms into street furniture, yes a boring alt mode, but thats useful in a war.
From the outsid ethis looks to be a matur gritty story with alot of promise and going straight for the jugular, but it still lacks the point of what it is to be a transformer. All life is form follows function and if hey are making them life like as possible, they need to follow there function which is transforming robot snot human beings. It's like old Marvel comics when the illustrators drew the hands like humans as it was easy to draw what they knew, and the same goes here for the writers, they are writing a great story becuas ethe subject matter is base don what they know, ot's time they looked at the subjetc matter and take a reall risk and write about what they don't know, they can;t research it, bit hey can look at how, morals differ across the globe, and how animals conduct there lives and how the difference in form and function dictates there morals an dbehaviour, even location plays a big part, so does situation, a lack of food energy or whatever, makes people act different ly, but different types of people act differently in those situations, so surely a robot race would also have differences. Yes they are showing prime not to be perfect, but I want to see something different than what is hown in human stories. I hat eBay films, but there's that moment when ironhode wants to shoot spikes dog, as he doesn't understand the human and og relationship, he thinks its just like a rat, that is what I'm talking about, I don't want to see robots in a bar drinking oil, I don;t want to see a non gender race, having fembots with robot titties, I want to see things I have never seen before, maybe they do drink oil socialy, but not in a bar eating energon goodies.
Yes this id different but not different enough, and differnt for the sake of different is not different it's actually the norm nowdays. If this is the best they can do then I'll accept ti, as it's nice to see a mature approach and it's a step in the right direction, and teh detah of prime, was a sign that they are willing to take things further, and it shows that G1 is not just a story to be recycled, it is actually alive and kicking, mores o than when it wa sin it's hayday.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you aren't using Google Chrome. You may want to look into that, my friend.