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Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Rhinox23 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:46 pm

Counterpunch wrote:Question: But...why should anyone without that set care about Depthcharge?


I'm not a TFCC member but I'm considering becoming one for this figure. To answer your question, as a big BW fan I just want this guy to go with my Transmetal Depthcharge. I think it would be cool to have his Maximal but pre-beast form too. I'm still trying to decide if it's worth spending the $45 though. I'm not entirely convinced. Does anybody have any major pros or cons of becoming a TFCC member. $45 is a lot for one figure...
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Tue May 08, 2012 1:51 pm

Counterpunch wrote:Question: Why does anyone who does not own the 2006 BotCon Dawn of Future's Past box-set give a damn about getting this toy?

I mean, good on me. I have a group of figures who will welcome a new addition (after five years since Airrazor). But...why should anyone without that set care about Depthcharge?

Because in my opinion, the Dawn of Future's Past set SUCKS and is way overpriced and because I have these (which I've made massive improvements on over the past several months since my painting and modding skills have improved).
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Heavy B » Tue May 08, 2012 2:37 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Question: Why does anyone who does not own the 2006 BotCon Dawn of Future's Past box-set give a damn about getting this toy?

Answer: Because Depthcharge was a a cool character. Its like why are people excited about a classics breakdown when, A) the others aren't likely to see release (except for dragstrip who actually came out) And B) they can't combine. Combining is a pretty important part to the stunticons. They just want the bloody toy. What do you care?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Mkall » Tue May 08, 2012 3:04 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Question: Why does anyone who does not own the 2006 BotCon Dawn of Future's Past box-set give a damn about getting this toy?

I mean, good on me. I have a group of figures who will welcome a new addition (after five years since Airrazor). But...why should anyone without that set care about Depthcharge?

I'm slapping an Autobot sticker on him and putting him in with my Generations figs.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Counterpunch » Tue May 08, 2012 3:38 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:Question: Why does anyone who does not own the 2006 BotCon Dawn of Future's Past box-set give a damn about getting this toy?

Answer: Because Depthcharge was a a cool character. Its like why are people excited about a classics breakdown when, A) the others aren't likely to see release (except for dragstrip who actually came out) And B) they can't combine. Combining is a pretty important part to the stunticons. They just want the bloody toy. What do you care?


First off, your comparison does not work.

This is a BW character who has been given a non-beast alt. It would be like getting a Breakdown who turns into, oh let's say a woodpecker. Now you have exactly one G1 figure with a new beast alt mode. Give him a whole shelf to himself. The combination aspect has nothing to do with it.

Just "wanting the bloody toy" is a perfectly reasonable excuse. I just asked a question that was calling the Club's decision into question, not other people's personal tastes. So, do me a favor and get agro somewhere else.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Tue May 08, 2012 3:51 pm

I guess if Hasbro/Takara can make Dark Steel (i.e. BW Quickstrike) then the club can make Depth Charge.

A lot of people dig on Depth Charge, so I can see why they picked him, especially given that this mold (and even its weapon in a way, given that a trident has more to do with the sea than the air) very much resembles Depth Charge.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby LiKwid » Tue May 08, 2012 4:01 pm

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Counterpunch wrote:
Dr. Heavy B wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:Question: Why does anyone who does not own the 2006 BotCon Dawn of Future's Past box-set give a damn about getting this toy?

Answer: Because Depthcharge was a a cool character. Its like why are people excited about a classics breakdown when, A) the others aren't likely to see release (except for dragstrip who actually came out) And B) they can't combine. Combining is a pretty important part to the stunticons. They just want the bloody toy. What do you care?


First off, your comparison does not work.

This is a BW character who has been given a non-beast alt. It would be like getting a Breakdown who turns into, oh let's say a woodpecker. Now you have exactly one G1 figure with a new beast alt mode. Give him a whole shelf to himself. The combination aspect has nothing to do with it.

Just "wanting the bloody toy" is a perfectly reasonable excuse. I just asked a question that was calling the Club's decision into question, not other people's personal tastes. So, do me a favor and get agro somewhere else.



You totally said woodpecker... :BOWDOWN:
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Tue May 08, 2012 6:08 pm

Non-beast alt mode or not, I think he fits perfectly on a Beast Wars shelf.

The series itself set a precedence for the Maximals and Predacons not having beast alt modes originally.

To me, this form simply represents his form before he got his beast mode after crash landing on prehistoric Earth.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

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xyl360 wrote:I guess if Hasbro/Takara can make Dark Steel (i.e. BW Quickstrike) then the club can make Depth Charge.

A lot of people dig on Depth Charge, so I can see why they picked him, especially given that this mold (and even its weapon in a way, given that a trident has more to do with the sea than the air) very much resembles Depth Charge.


I don't think that they picked him is so much the issue, but more that he's THE incentive figure. Not much of an incentive to many, or dare I say most?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Wed May 09, 2012 12:38 pm

Kibble wrote:
xyl360 wrote:I guess if Hasbro/Takara can make Dark Steel (i.e. BW Quickstrike) then the club can make Depth Charge.

A lot of people dig on Depth Charge, so I can see why they picked him, especially given that this mold (and even its weapon in a way, given that a trident has more to do with the sea than the air) very much resembles Depth Charge.


I don't think that they picked him is so much the issue, but more that he's THE incentive figure. Not much of an incentive to many, or dare I say most?

Maybe, but there was a lot of fanbuzz about the possibility of a Depth Charge repaint as soon as we got a look at Terradive, and you might be surprised at just how many die-hard Beast Wars fans there are out there.

I personally think it's refreshing to see a different line being focused on a bit, rather than rehashing the same G1 characters over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Tigertrack » Wed May 09, 2012 1:23 pm

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xyl360 wrote:I personally think it's refreshing to see a different line being focused on a bit, rather than rehashing the same G1 characters over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.


I guess I don't see it as them rehashing the same characters over and over again from G1 or anywhere else.

Sideburn and SkyByte were both from 2000's Robots in Disguise.

Air Razor was BW homage.

In fact, I don't think the club, minus their foray into Shattered Glass, has redone any characters that have been popularly done over and over from G1.

There giveaways previously were all new characters using Energon combiner limbs.

Runamuck and Runabout have only seen really two homages between them by HASBRO not the club, and those were pretty sucky toys (repaint of Armada Sideswipe, and a repaint of Legends Jazz).

Drift was Shattered Glass.

I'm just not seeing the club focus on G1 that you are, and certainly not in characters that have been rehashed over and over again. If it is G1, it's usually odd ball characters, or characters that they made up like the Star Wars Expanded Universe/Offscreen character pieces.

Overlord and Metalhawk? One release ever, and not even in the US market for G1? Not rehashed rehashes.

The rehashing is the in the club's Shattered Glass universe, which allows them to do easy repaints of existing characters often times without doing anything, but changing the colors.

I'm impressed that the club is going to try a subscription service. I hope it's affordable, and it would be nice to be able to be a part of it without having to ante up for the general membership? Or be able to choose to trade the general membership figure for one of the club subscription figures. I know, too difficult.

I just don't know that this subscription figure is going to be very popular, and that if they really wanted to win folks back into believing in them with the best free exclusive ever... well maybe it should have been a different choice. I think a SCOURGE repaint would have created a lot more interest from the fandom, and probably result in more memberships.

Again, I'm not sure how the subscription service works when compared with membership.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Sabrblade » Wed May 09, 2012 1:41 pm

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tigertracks 24 wrote:Sideburn and SkyByte were both from 2000's Robots in Disguise.
Yes, but neither are the same character as the RiD versions. Both of the Club/BotCon versions are G1 guys homaging the RiD characters.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Tigertrack » Wed May 09, 2012 1:47 pm

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tigertracks 24 wrote:Sideburn and SkyByte were both from 2000's Robots in Disguise.
Yes, but neither are the same character as the RiD versions. Both of the Club/BotCon versions are G1 guys homaging the RiD characters.


How can a G1 guy homage a guy who came after them? Oh my god, timeline continuities are killing me.

And club fic aside, they still homage RID characters.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Wed May 09, 2012 3:07 pm

tigertracks 24 wrote:
xyl360 wrote:I personally think it's refreshing to see a different line being focused on a bit, rather than rehashing the same G1 characters over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.


I guess I don't see it as them rehashing the same characters over and over again from G1 or anywhere else.

Sideburn and SkyByte were both from 2000's Robots in Disguise.

Air Razor was BW homage.

In fact, I don't think the club, minus their foray into Shattered Glass, has redone any characters that have been popularly done over and over from G1.

There giveaways previously were all new characters using Energon combiner limbs.

Runamuck and Runabout have only seen really two homages between them by HASBRO not the club, and those were pretty sucky toys (repaint of Armada Sideswipe, and a repaint of Legends Jazz).

Drift was Shattered Glass.

I'm just not seeing the club focus on G1 that you are, and certainly not in characters that have been rehashed over and over again. If it is G1, it's usually odd ball characters, or characters that they made up like the Star Wars Expanded Universe/Offscreen character pieces.

Overlord and Metalhawk? One release ever, and not even in the US market for G1? Not rehashed rehashes.

The rehashing is the in the club's Shattered Glass universe, which allows them to do easy repaints of existing characters often times without doing anything, but changing the colors.

I'm impressed that the club is going to try a subscription service. I hope it's affordable, and it would be nice to be able to be a part of it without having to ante up for the general membership? Or be able to choose to trade the general membership figure for one of the club subscription figures. I know, too difficult.

I just don't know that this subscription figure is going to be very popular, and that if they really wanted to win folks back into believing in them with the best free exclusive ever... well maybe it should have been a different choice. I think a SCOURGE repaint would have created a lot more interest from the fandom, and probably result in more memberships.

Again, I'm not sure how the subscription service works when compared with membership.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I didn't mean the club exclusively. I meant Hasbro, Takara, the club and Botcon.

Right now we have TFP, which is based on the movies and animated, which are both primarily based on G1 characters. From Botcon we have Shattered glass, which is all G1 (though a mirror universe of G1, it's still just opposite versions of G1 characters).

I guess I'm just bored with the whole 'geewun' thing and seeing stuff like this (and even RiD Sideburn and Skybite, though I'm not an RiD fan) are a breath of fresh air to me.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Tigertrack » Thu May 10, 2012 5:55 am

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xyl360 wrote:I guess I'm just bored with the whole 'geewun' thing and seeing stuff like this (and even RiD Sideburn and Skybite, though I'm not an RiD fan) are a breath of fresh air to me.


Absolutely understand when every line has an OP, a Megs, a Starscream, a BBee, etc.

I wouldn't mind if they did more BW stuff, 'cause then I could ignore/not buy 75% of it.

You are right fresh air would be good. That was somewhat of what HBRO touted when they brought in Energon, paraphrase it's not OP versus Megatron... There's Scorponok instead, and no BBee, etc.

But then Megatron showed up, and Starscream, etc.

Bw even had G1 show up in it, so it seems to be an inescapable destiny. :D :D
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby Sabrblade » Thu May 10, 2012 7:05 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:Sideburn and SkyByte were both from 2000's Robots in Disguise.
Yes, but neither are the same character as the RiD versions. Both of the Club/BotCon versions are G1 guys homaging the RiD characters.


How can a G1 guy homage a guy who came after them? Oh my god, timeline continuities are killing me.
LOL :lol: Well, they're just later-year G1 characters. ;)

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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby orangeitis » Thu May 10, 2012 10:08 am

Counterpunch wrote:But...why should anyone without that set care about Depthcharge?
Well I don't have the set, and I care about DC because he's awesome and free. :michaelbay:

tigertracks 24 wrote:How can a G1 guy homage a guy who came after them? Oh my god, timeline continuities are killing me.
By the magical system known as retconning. :grin:

It's simple. The universe that G1 took place in was never fully explored by G1 fiction. We never saw every single Transformer that existed in said universe. FunPub is taking this opportunity to fill those unexplored areas in with homages of characters which out-of-continuity made after G1 already finished. Nothing in G1 was harmed or altered(I assume), and it gives a nice little home to these homages.
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Postby Tigertrack » Thu May 10, 2012 10:29 am

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tigertracks 24 wrote:How can a G1 guy homage a guy who came after them? Oh my god, timeline continuities are killing me.
By the magical system known as retconning. :grin:

It's simple. The universe that G1 took place in was never fully explored by G1 fiction. We never saw every single Transformer that existed in said universe. FunPub is taking this opportunity to fill those unexplored areas in with homages of characters which out-of-continuity made after G1 already finished. Nothing in G1 was harmed or altered(I assume), and it gives a nice little home to these homages.


Yeah, but a character in an explored section of G1 cannot pay homage to a character who comes later in time/contiuity unless they time travel that is what I am referring to.

The continuity for me is all muddled...
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby orangeitis » Thu May 10, 2012 11:18 am

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orangeitis wrote:
tigertracks 24 wrote:How can a G1 guy homage a guy who came after them? Oh my god, timeline continuities are killing me.
By the magical system known as retconning. :grin:

It's simple. The universe that G1 took place in was never fully explored by G1 fiction. We never saw every single Transformer that existed in said universe. FunPub is taking this opportunity to fill those unexplored areas in with homages of characters which out-of-continuity made after G1 already finished. Nothing in G1 was harmed or altered(I assume), and it gives a nice little home to these homages.


Yeah, but a character in an explored section of G1 cannot pay homage to a character who comes later in time/contiuity unless they time travel that is what I am referring to.

The continuity for me is all muddled...
Last time I checked, RiD wasn't in G1 continuity though. Or were you talking about Depth Charge...?
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby xyl360 » Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm

tigertracks 24 wrote:
xyl360 wrote:I guess I'm just bored with the whole 'geewun' thing and seeing stuff like this (and even RiD Sideburn and Skybite, though I'm not an RiD fan) are a breath of fresh air to me.

Bw even had G1 show up in it, so it seems to be an inescapable destiny. :D :D

Yep, Beast Wars did have G1 show up, but that's because Beast Wars was actually a continuation of the existing G1 cartoon continuity.

That alone allowed them to reference (and even on rare occasions feature) G1 characters, but the entire primary cast of characters were all non-G1, new characters (again, with the exception of a few cameos).

It would be nice to see Has/Tak do something, ANYTHING that gets away from the Diaclone/Microchange roots like Beast Wars and a few other series did. But now it remains, always Optimus vs Megatron, Autobots vs Decepticons, the same old story 'came to Earth from Cybertron' and 'fighting over Energon'.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they do it. It allows them to draw from a very rich history of characters and plots and also attempts to avoid alienating us die-hard fans that grew up on the franchise while trying to bring in today's generation of kids as well, but I just feel that a lot could be done that isn't a re-hash of the same old stuff. BW was an example of that, with the entire concept being approached from the point of view of a dramatic science fiction series, and even the movies (which drew most of their ideas from G1), tried to change things up similarly.

I guess I'm just wondering how many versions of the same characters us collectors will buy before we finally stop collecting because we've had enough, but I guess if it hasn't happened after all these year, it's not going to so I'm likely one of the few who is likely to soon end up dropping out of a beloved hobby for lack of interest in seeing the same old stuff over and over again.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby orangeitis » Thu May 10, 2012 3:05 pm

xyl360 wrote:attempts to avoid alienating us die-hard fans that grew up on the franchise
Yeah, I think that kinda stopped when they abandoned the original continuity. I personally think fans would be more than happy if they went on to tell the stories of new primes after Optimus/Rodimus and introduce totally new characters. They could still release new versions of old characters when plot permits(how they brought Optimus back in season 3, for instance)

Buuut it's a mess of continuities now. Oh well, at least they're still robots that turn into things. That has always been the best thing about the franchise.
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Postby xyl360 » Thu May 10, 2012 6:15 pm

orangeitis wrote:Yeah, I think that kinda stopped when they abandoned the original continuity.
I think they did that simply to keep from alienating the new generation(s) so they don't need to go back and watch a 1980's TV show and movie in order to get caught up with what the heck is going on.

orangeitis wrote:I personally think fans would be more than happy if they went on to tell the stories of new primes after Optimus/Rodimus and introduce totally new characters. They could still release new versions of old characters when plot permits(how they brought Optimus back in season 3, for instance)
Agreed. Not to mention all that time (300+ years?) between the end of season 3 and Beast Wars, but sadly that continuity is dead now.

orangeitis wrote:Buuut it's a mess of continuities now. Oh well, at least they're still robots that turn into things. That has always been the best thing about the franchise.
Now it's a new 'unified' continuity, meaning nothing created can blatantly contradict or conflict with the details written in Hasbro's new Transformers Unified Continuity Bible. That includes Prime and the video games, though that bible itself is based on G1 at its core, at least with regards to core characters and basic elements like Autobots, Decepticons and Cybertron. More specific details are pretty much up for grabs/individual writers' interpretations. Of course, that's also what I hate about it. It's essentially a stripped down re-boot of G1. In my mind it is neither inferior nor superior to G1, but just a derivative of it instead of something more original. It just doesn't offer anything new or very interesting for a fan like me, but I'm probably just being to picky.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby orangeitis » Thu May 10, 2012 6:42 pm

I'll keep this reply short, as to not be off-topic too much.
xyl360 wrote:I think they did that simply to keep from alienating the new generation(s) so they don't need to go back and watch a 1980's TV show and movie in order to get caught up with what the heck is going on.
Good point, but there would always be directions the story would go to keep from alienating it's new viewers. Between wars in that universe, for instance.

xyl360 wrote:Now it's a new 'unified' continuity, meaning nothing created can blatantly contradict or conflict with the details written in Hasbro's new Transformers Unified Continuity Bible. That includes Prime and the video games, though that bible itself is based on G1 at its core, at least with regards to core characters and basic elements like Autobots, Decepticons and Cybertron. More specific details are pretty much up for grabs/individual writers' interpretations. Of course, that's also what I hate about it. It's essentially a stripped down re-boot of G1. In my mind it is neither inferior nor superior to G1, but just a derivative of it instead of something more original. It just doesn't offer anything new or very interesting for a fan like me, but I'm probably just being to picky.
Well maybe this generation of children might have fond memories of Transformers on the level that we had with G1. It might be different memories though, but still.

Also, I am kinda glad Hasbro is taking the effort to keep continuity together and all(despite the inconsistencies, though they're different mediums/universes).

And keeping on-topic: I love this mold. I wouldn't mind 3, especially since the 3rd is free with a club membership. On the other hand, I usually don't object to having multiples of the same mold, usually if the characters are different. Plus, I'm short on Maximals.
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Re: Transformers Collectors' Club 2013 figure revealed -- DEPTH CHARGE

Postby ssilipino » Mon May 14, 2012 6:35 pm

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xyl360 wrote:Bw even had G1 show up in it, so it seems to be an inescapable destiny. :D :D


But at least when G1 showed up in BW, it wasn't a homage, it WAS G1.

While I think it great they are pre-beasting more BW characters, especially Depth Charge, I really don't approve of the mold. Its small, doesn't off any sie comparison to the actual BW Depth Charge mold, minus the head and the trident.

I had originally planned to transform Galaxy Force Soundwave into DOFP Depth Charge, mainly because a majority of the DOFP's set used Galaxy Force molds, and Soundwave has an appropriate head for Depth Charge. Also his chest piece is similar to the (generic) chest piece on the pre-BW body we can sort of see in "Deep Metal".

I had also planned on repainting Galaxy Force Menasor into DOFP's Protoform-X. I felt he offers enough menacing features for him. Any comments?
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