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Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.



Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
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Postby RhA » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:29 pm

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Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.



Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.


Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:02 pm

I believe I speak factually when I say that the Oscars are one of the greatest examples of the term "circlejerk" in human history.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards.

And the Transformers movies were only made to make money, so what exactly qualifies as a good movie? That is a question that can only be answered by your own opinion and applies only to you.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.

And if Transformers had won an Oscar you'd be saying that the Oscars had finally changed their ways and started to improve. Let's be honest, there's going to be quite a bit of bias floating around no matter which side of the fence you come down on. I could argue that if it wasn't for the Oscars then movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind or Gandhi would never win an award.

If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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I'm not argueing the credibility of the oscar nominations and picks, i'm just pointing out how sad it is that a movie that is pretty much only about the special effects (not characters or stories or emotion) failed to win. ITS FUNNY... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH!
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.


OK, two things here:

The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.

Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.

I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:06 pm

MINDVVIPE wrote:I'm not argueing the credibility of the oscar nominations and picks, i'm just pointing out how sad it is that a movie that is pretty much only about the special effects (not characters or stories or emotion) failed to win. ITS FUNNY... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH!


It is sad that what we're supposed to see as the most knowledgeable source of quality in the film industry has devolved into a self gratifying clusterfrak that is the modern Academy. Remember this is the same group of people that gave animated films their own "best picture" category rather than even consider them for a true Best Picture award. Nowadays the Academy is at best a joke held in high regard by those who can't let go and believe them to still be a group who's opinions are valid.

A fan of film who knows their stuff would not consider anything from the Oscars as a sign of quality. Studio pay offs and radical conservatism win more Oscars than quality film making.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Yeah, studio pay-offs win Oscars. THAT'S why so many independent films win.

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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 pm

Starscream GaGa wrote:Yeah, studio pay-offs win Oscars. THAT'S why so many independent films win.

Oh wait.


Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.


My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.

I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.

There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:35 pm

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Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.


My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.

I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.

There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.


I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.

You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it. :roll:

Since you must know, Oscar hate is valid because any institution that tries to apply quality in an untrustworthy way is worth condemnation. It's the same reason video game reviewers are looked upon with scorn since no AAA title is released without all the big name critics in the pocket of developers.

It works the same way with film critics too, lest you forget Ebert thought Garfield and Knowing where four star quality. :lol:
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.



Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.


Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.


Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career. :HEADHURTS:

Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.


So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Watching the colbert report. I know he's a parody of real pundits, but still nice to see someone stick up for DOTM
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Capt.Failure wrote:I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.

Except not, because what you said was the entirely unbacked up argument and instead of rebutting me, you turned to the fact that you had said something else in the post. So, please, don't insult my ability to argue,

Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it. :roll:

Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
And I really don't care if they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they didn't win, even though they knew they wouldn't.

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Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.


So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?

Did I say that it wasn't good in the categories in was nominated in? Ever?
Nope. Because it DID have good Visual Effects and Sound mixing.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:59 pm

5150 Cruiser wrote:
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Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.



Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.


Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.


Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career. :HEADHURTS:

Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.


So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?


You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years. :roll:
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it. :roll:

Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.


Starscream GaGa wrote:And I really don't car eif they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they won, even though they knew they wouldn't.


Actually, if you read back there's just as many haters making a big deal as the ones who liked the movie. And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.

Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies. :-? Ya, you don't care.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years. :roll:


You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning

5150 Cruiser wrote:\And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.


The same can really be said both ways. If the Oscars are so much a joke it doesn't matter that they lost, why bother posting? They provocation was the bitching.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies. :-? Ya, you don't care.


The Razzies are hilarious. The anti-Oscars and relevant to Transformers. I'm surprised a thread hadn't already been made.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:06 pm

Starscream GaGa wrote:
Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years. :roll:


You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning...


So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest. :APPLAUSE:
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

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Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest. :APPLAUSE:


No, that doesn't make any sense. You're not in primary school, you can't say "you admit it by accident NAH NAH I win" and expect a pat on the back. What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant. You're throwing around baggage over a debate that happened months ago. It is not need or relevant in this thread.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:19 pm

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Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest. :APPLAUSE:


What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant.

Of course, one could point out that movies such as Citizen Kane are constantly acknowledged for their success, unlike Transformers and as such are completely incomparable, but meh.


I guess billions in revenue is pretty much a complete failure of a film, right? Or maybe the opinions of all those people who enjoyed them despite critical opinion? Or maybe all those new fans of Transformers we have now due to the films release? There are many roads to success, not just the ones you choose to suit your worldview.

I'll be polite and wait for you to raise the goalpost like someone who apparently doesn't care. :roll:

In before: "popularity doesn't mean it's good." Whether it was good or not is subjective.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby T-Macksimus » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:41 pm

Am I pissed off that the TF franchise didn't get any recognition? No. We all knew it wouldn't happen. The crime isn't against Bay, it isn't against or our beloved obsession. I'm angered on behalf of the men and women who spent months putting so much effort and advancing the technology and basically carrying every damn film that was nominated not getting the recognition they deserve. It would be like me spending a month working 10 to 12 hour days in a million dollar house giving a fussy homeowner every last little detail that pops into their head for cabinetry and trim, putting up with their bull-sh** and nitpicking and at the end of it all the say "Oh, o.k., cool...here's your check. Bye Bye!" and dismissing me like it's run of the mill stuff. Hell No!! The work these guys do is one of the highest hybrid forms of art and science and most of the rest of the industry doesn't give a rats ass. As a craftsman that has to blend art and science to pull off the work that I do, I can full appreciate how these guys feel when they get shafted and the teams that worked on DotM AND Real Steel DEFINITELY got screwed over. As much of a joke as the whole Oscar process is, just having the word Oscar anywhere on your resume puts you to the top of the stack of applicants anywhere you go later and there's guys out there using that fact that don't deserve to. THIS is where the injustice lies. Industry hacks riding someone else's coat-tails to get what they don't deserve.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Capt.Failure » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:35 am

T-Macksimus wrote:Am I pissed off that the TF franchise didn't get any recognition? No. We all knew it wouldn't happen. The crime isn't against Bay, it isn't against or our beloved obsession. I'm angered on behalf of the men and women who spent months putting so much effort and advancing the technology and basically carrying every damn film that was nominated not getting the recognition they deserve. It would be like me spending a month working 10 to 12 hour days in a million dollar house giving a fussy homeowner every last little detail that pops into their head for cabinetry and trim, putting up with their bull-sh** and nitpicking and at the end of it all the say "Oh, o.k., cool...here's your check. Bye Bye!" and dismissing me like it's run of the mill stuff. Hell No!! The work these guys do is one of the highest hybrid forms of art and science and most of the rest of the industry doesn't give a rats ass. As a craftsman that has to blend art and science to pull off the work that I do, I can full appreciate how these guys feel when they get shafted and the teams that worked on DotM AND Real Steel DEFINITELY got screwed over. As much of a joke as the whole Oscar process is, just having the word Oscar anywhere on your resume puts you to the top of the stack of applicants anywhere you go later and there's guys out there using that fact that don't deserve to. THIS is where the injustice lies. Industry hacks riding someone else's coat-tails to get what they don't deserve.


But it's not art. The people who thought Garfield is four star quality and gave Avatar a Best Picture nomination said so. :roll:

Sarcasm translation: Yeah, the Oscars are a laughing stock supported by their own blind devotees in the industry. I say frak the lot of them.
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Spleenzorio » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 am

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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Receives 3 Oscar Nominations

Postby Evil_the_Nub » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:01 am

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.


OK, two things here:

The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.

Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.

I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

The Dark Knight didn't succeed just because it was a Batman movie. Remember Batman and Robin? It bombed because it was awful despite it being a Batman movie. The point I was making is even though Slumdog Millionaire won best picture the Dark Knight is the better film. It made a much bigger impact, everyone was talking about it, and I'll be damned surprised if it's not considered a classic in the future. Like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, and Back to the Future. None of which won best picture, but are more remembered and known than the movies that did. When is the last time you heard anyone mention Slumdog Millionaire? Probably the Monday after it won best picture around the water cooler at work.

No one is saying DotM should have won best picture, but the fact that it lost on visual effects is an insult to the people at ILM.
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