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Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.

My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.

I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.

There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.

My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.

I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.

There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.

I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.

You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.

Since you must know, Oscar hate is valid because any institution that tries to apply quality in an untrustworthy way is worth condemnation. It's the same reason video game reviewers are looked upon with scorn since no AAA title is released without all the big name critics in the pocket of developers.

It works the same way with film critics too, lest you forget Ebert thought Garfield and Knowing where four star quality.

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5150 Cruiser wrote:

Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.

Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.

Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.

Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career.

Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?

Watching the colbert report. I know he's a parody of real pundits, but still nice to see someone stick up for DOTM

Capt.Failure wrote:I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.

Except not, because what you said was the entirely unbacked up argument and instead of rebutting me, you turned to the fact that you had said something else in the post. So, please, don't insult my ability to argue,

Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.

Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
And I really don't care if they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they didn't win, even though they knew they wouldn't.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?

Did I say that it wasn't good in the categories in was nominated in? Ever?
Nope. Because it DID have good Visual Effects and Sound mixing.

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RhA wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote:

Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.

Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.

Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.

Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career.

Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.

So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?

You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.

Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.

Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.

Starscream GaGa wrote:And I really don't car eif they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they won, even though they knew they wouldn't.

Actually, if you read back there's just as many haters making a big deal as the ones who liked the movie. And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.

Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies. Ya, you don't care.

Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.

You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning

5150 Cruiser wrote:\And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.

The same can really be said both ways. If the Oscars are so much a joke it doesn't matter that they lost, why bother posting? They provocation was the bitching.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies. Ya, you don't care.

The Razzies are hilarious. The anti-Oscars and relevant to Transformers. I'm surprised a thread hadn't already been made.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.

You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning...

So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.

Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.

No, that doesn't make any sense. You're not in primary school, you can't say "you admit it by accident NAH NAH I win" and expect a pat on the back. What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant. You're throwing around baggage over a debate that happened months ago. It is not need or relevant in this thread.