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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:50 am

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Autobot032 wrote: You don't need the plot of the film to see how stupid that subtitle is.

This is all a moot point, however, since Bay's redirect now says The Dark SIDE Of The Moon.

Which makes more sense, is equally cheesy, and more understandable. I have no idea how many people would be outright confused by such crapola.


Umm... ya, you do. And there's no point in coming up with alternate titles if you have no clue what the movie will actually be about.
As far as it being "stupid" thats just a suggestive statment. Anyways, you don't have to like the title anyways. As long as it fits with the movie, whats the problem?
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby AutobotTrainer » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:07 pm

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...Oh, Dark SIDE of the Moon? That totally changes my previous post. Awesome name.

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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:27 pm

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even in G1 he wasnt a big character and really of no importance


Read some G1 comics.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:54 pm

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Here's my big question...what the hell happened to just tossing a number after a sequel? I mean was Transformers 2, and Transformers 3 really such an awful name?
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby NuclearConvoy » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:58 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Megatronsdemise666 wrote:and shockwave as the main villain doesn't sound good to me
even in G1 he wasnt a big character and really of no importance


Read some G1 comics.


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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Swiftknife24 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:18 pm

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NOBODY LOVES WHEELIE wrote:Here's my big question...what the hell happened to just tossing a number after a sequel? I mean was Transformers 2, and Transformers 3 really such an awful name?


Heh, you could say that for any saga with no recurring numbers (Pirates, Alien, etc), but meh...they try to look creative, I suppose :P (though countless 'of the' subtitles are not!')

But I do remember reading somewhere that studios don't like numbers in titles...Not entirely sure why, but I think it's similar to how they don't like too many punctuation marks (e.g. AVPR: Aliens Vs. Predator - Requiem). But it does explain why certain franchises opt for Roman Numerals (Star Wars, Mission: impossible, etc)

And do correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above! :roll:
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Mechastrike » Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:01 am

"TF3: Til All Are One"

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"TF3: The War Rages On"

"TF3: Mechanical Warfare"

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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Autobot032 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:39 am

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Aww.... *puts away the club*


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Re: Transformers: The Dark Of The Moon

Postby T-Macksimus » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:03 am

Down_Shift wrote:That title sounds more like a novel title, somewhat like Reign of Starscream, Alliance, or Defiance. Not a movie adaptation, but still cannon in between.

Until Hasbro officially announces anything, I choose not to believe that this is the working title for the 3rd Transformers movie.



I'm with you on this one. Just because they have books listed with this title doesn't make it a working movie title. The tie-in book for the 1st and 2nd movie installments, The Veiled Threat, was advertised as movie related just like these books are but quite obviously it in no way tied itself directly into Revenge of the Fallen. I'm stubbornly refusing to accept that this franchise is willing to commit movie-title suicide until I see actual word from Paramount/Hasbro/Dreamworks on this.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby D-340 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:05 am

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They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.



The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.

They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.


The only intensity I got out both films were the action scenes.

They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.


I missing something here. Maybe you're reading way too much into ROTF, cuz it's about as deep as a shallow puddle. The only characterization in ROTF is really in the human characters, cuz hardly any of the TFs have any character at all. They just there because the movies are called Transformers. I'm sure if the writers could get away with it, the TFs would have no character at all. Hell, for the most part in ROTF they are just background any way, playing second fiddle to the absurd Sam/Mikeala love story. The only thing I really found complex in ROTF is how Devastator had wrecking ball testicles when not one Constructicon vehicle had wrecking balls.

They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.


Um, when and where does this happen? Cuz I saw none of this. Were we watching the same movie? Cuz the ROTF you're describing sounds incredible. The ROTF I saw however was none of this. The one I saw was a disjointed mess of a thin plot that had potential, random action scenes and explosions, crude, low brow, second rate teen comedy humor(did we really need to see Sam's mom getting high on pot brownies? Or how about two scenes dedicated to one of Sam's dogs "dominating" the other one? How about John Tutorro's thong clad butt?), and really, REALLY lame attempt at a love story that will now have absolutely nothing to do with the third film at all being Megan Fox is now no longer involved with the film franchise at all. It's a shame really, cuz ROTF had a ton of potential and capitalized on none of it. But hey, at least we got some killer toys out of it.

Call me a Bay hater, as far as ROTF is concerned, I am. The first movie was good, not great, but enjoyable. ROTF was not. Here's to hoping the next one is better, but with what little info we got so far, including it's ridiculous title(yeah it may tie into whatever thin plot they come up with, but imho it's a lame title, and I'm not liking the whole tying the Transformers into the space race either) all hope for me enjoying it is lost. The only idea of this I enjoy is that it will be the last movie of the series.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby SEXFIGHTER » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:32 am

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I couldn't care less what the title is...just PLEASE deliver a quality film this time, PLEASE. I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put **** like that out there, and its not cos we're dealing with toy adaptations, Pixar can put heart into a 'childs' movie. ROTF had good parts, i wont deny that, but, for example, that whole Sam goes to college section was nothing short of an insult to cinema. Give us a good film, STOP treating the audience like idiots. :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Burn » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:32 pm

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SEXFIGHTER wrote:I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put **** like that out there,


Go out and find a movie called Gabriel, watch it, then come back and tell me how bad ROTF was.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby NuclearConvoy » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:22 pm

Burn wrote:
SEXFIGHTER wrote:I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put **** like that out there,


Go out and find a movie called Gabriel, watch it, then come back and tell me how bad ROTF was.


Found a copy, very easily, will watch it and let you know if I feel it is better or worse than RotF and if it causes ME a need to self-mutilate.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Burn » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:37 pm

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I want a review, pm'ed to me.

I suspect though you'll want to find out where I live, hunt me down, and mutilate me for making you watch it. :lol:
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby SlyTF1 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:03 pm

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They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.



The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.


I said you have to know what they are. You have to know alot about Transformers before going into the movie. A spark is like their heart, which is how Jetfire ripped out his spark, and The Fallen's spark was crushed in Optimus's hands. The Well of Allsparks isnt mentioned in the movie, but like I said, you have to know about TFs before going into th movie. And The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime because Primes have a special essense, somthing that makes them Primes, maybe part of Primus's spark maybe. This is the thing about series of movies, you cant really call out a plothole until all of the movies have been released, because you cant expect everything to be explained in one movie, when its supposed to be a series.

They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.


The only intensity I got out both films were the action scenes.


That was you.

They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.


I missing something here. Maybe you're reading way too much into ROTF, cuz it's about as deep as a shallow puddle. The only characterization in ROTF is really in the human characters, cuz hardly any of the TFs have any character at all. They just there because the movies are called Transformers. I'm sure if the writers could get away with it, the TFs would have no character at all. Hell, for the most part in ROTF they are just background any way, playing second fiddle to the absurd Sam/Mikeala love story. The only thing I really found complex in ROTF is how Devastator had wrecking ball testicles when not one Constructicon vehicle had wrecking balls.


I'm going to copy and paste one of my comments from another topic, because I feel like I'm repeating myself.

The Primes are assaciated with angels from what I can gather. Just watch the grave yard scene and Optimus is surrounded by angel statues. And The Fallen was a FALLEN Prime, so hes the ultimate traiter. Which is also why I think they changed it to 7 Primes rather than 13. And there is more to it too though. There is ALOT more of this type of symbolism in ROTF. I mean A FREKING LOT!

Even though it may be coencidence, its still there. Like the number 6 is supposed to mean imperfect or somthing to that effect. And Sam has it on his shirt at the end battle of the movie, but when he has that vision with the Primes, the shirt is blown to pieces with that sectoin missing. I doubt they ment to do this, but its still there.

Optimus has always been identified as a "Christ figure" the guy who comes in and dies to help every one else. Heres how this comes to mind, count how many days in the movie from Optimus's death to his resurrection in the end battle.

So, yeah, I may be reading way too into it, but never the less, its in there.

They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.


Um, when and where does this happen? Cuz I saw none of this. Were we watching the same movie? Cuz the ROTF you're describing sounds incredible. The ROTF I saw however was none of this. The one I saw was a disjointed mess of a thin plot that had potential, random action scenes and explosions, crude, low brow, second rate teen comedy humor(did we really need to see Sam's mom getting high on pot brownies? Or how about two scenes dedicated to one of Sam's dogs "dominating" the other one? How about John Tutorro's thong clad butt?), and really, REALLY lame attempt at a love story that will now have absolutely nothing to do with the third film at all being Megan Fox is now no longer involved with the film franchise at all. It's a shame really, cuz ROTF had a ton of potential and capitalized on none of it. But hey, at least we got some killer toys out of it.


They do it all the time in the movies! Humans see aliens then blow **** up!

Call me a Bay hater, as far as ROTF is concerned, I am. The first movie was good, not great, but enjoyable. ROTF was not. Here's to hoping the next one is better, but with what little info we got so far, including it's ridiculous title(yeah it may tie into whatever thin plot they come up with, but imho it's a lame title, and I'm not liking the whole tying the Transformers into the space race either) all hope for me enjoying it is lost. The only idea of this I enjoy is that it will be the last movie of the series.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby SEXFIGHTER » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:12 pm

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SEXFIGHTER wrote:I know some people dug ROTF, I found the urge to self mutilate almost overwhelming, i wanted to throw up too. How DARE they put **** like that out there,


Go out and find a movie called Gabriel, watch it, then come back and tell me how bad ROTF was.

Ha ha, love a challenge. :lol: im on it, be in touch....this an aussie only release? aint seen it in the UK.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Burn » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:11 pm

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Yeah I think it was Australian made, may have seen a limited release in the US.

It's pretty shameful it's Australian, I really do want to distance myself from being from the country it was made.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Sky-Quake » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:59 pm

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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby D-340 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:11 pm

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They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.



The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.


I said you have to know what they are. You have to know alot about Transformers before going into the movie. A spark is like their heart, which is how Jetfire ripped out his spark, and The Fallen's spark was crushed in Optimus's hands. The Well of Allsparks isnt mentioned in the movie, but like I said, you have to know about TFs before going into th movie. And The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime because Primes have a special essense, somthing that makes them Primes, maybe part of Primus's spark maybe. This is the thing about series of movies, you cant really call out a plothole until all of the movies have been released, because you cant expect everything to be explained in one movie, when its supposed to be a series.



Shoulda specified, for this(the film series) continuity. I've been a fan since G1 started back in 84, so yeah I know what they all are as far as other continuities. But in the movies, thus far(I'll give you that there's still one more comin', so maybe, MAYBE we'll get some kinda explanation) nothing has been explained.

And as far as only a Prime being able to kill a Prime(as Fallen was one), still doesn't explain how Megatron could kill Optimus in this continuity. Megatron isn't a Prime(according to the comics, before he rebelled, he was Lord High Protector(not sure about that title, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was) not a Prime. So, if only a Prime can kill a Prime, how does this work?
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby LeL » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:42 pm

While the Fallen was in search of the Matrix just before the original Primes disappeared. The Primes would have passed on leadership in secrecy to one of the wisest transformers thus making them a descendant and not a true prime.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby SlyTF1 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:31 am

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They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.



The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.


I said you have to know what they are. You have to know alot about Transformers before going into the movie. A spark is like their heart, which is how Jetfire ripped out his spark, and The Fallen's spark was crushed in Optimus's hands. The Well of Allsparks isnt mentioned in the movie, but like I said, you have to know about TFs before going into th movie. And The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime because Primes have a special essense, somthing that makes them Primes, maybe part of Primus's spark maybe. This is the thing about series of movies, you cant really call out a plothole until all of the movies have been released, because you cant expect everything to be explained in one movie, when its supposed to be a series.



Shoulda specified, for this(the film series) continuity. I've been a fan since G1 started back in 84, so yeah I know what they all are as far as other continuities. But in the movies, thus far(I'll give you that there's still one more comin', so maybe, MAYBE we'll get some kinda explanation) nothing has been explained.

And as far as only a Prime being able to kill a Prime(as Fallen was one), still doesn't explain how Megatron could kill Optimus in this continuity. Megatron isn't a Prime(according to the comics, before he rebelled, he was Lord High Protector(not sure about that title, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was) not a Prime. So, if only a Prime can kill a Prime, how does this work?


Just because only a Prime can kill The Fallen, doesnt mean that it takes a Prime to kill just a regular Prime. The Gallen was one of the original, most likely built with part of Primus's spark. Besides, even if a Prime can only be killed by another Prime, Optimus called Megatron his brother in the first movie.
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby NuclearConvoy » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:23 am

Sky-Quake wrote:I might have to see this Gabriel but I don't want to waste money on it when I could be putting that money towards TFs and a new copy of Fallout 3


Who said anything about wasting my money?
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby Sky-Quake » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:52 am

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Sky-Quake wrote:I might have to see this Gabriel but I don't want to waste money on it when I could be putting that money towards TFs and a new copy of Fallout 3


Who said anything about wasting my money?

no one I was just saying that I don't want to rent a movie or buy it if it isn't worth the cash
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Re: Transformers: The Dark of the Moon

Postby NuclearConvoy » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:52 pm

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NuclearConvoy wrote:
Sky-Quake wrote:I might have to see this Gabriel but I don't want to waste money on it when I could be putting that money towards TFs and a new copy of Fallout 3


Who said anything about wasting my money?

no one I was just saying that I don't want to rent a movie or buy it if it isn't worth the cash


I was implying something about alternative means that I suppose I could have been more direct about. There are a myriad of ways of finding things without wasting money, like friends and other sources that are easy enough.
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