Dead Metal wrote:That is indeed how this works, Hasbro submits a story and bible, highlighting what they want to have in the game, High Moon adapts it and submits changes. Some of which make it in others don't.
As I understand it, High Moon didn't even know about Aligned till well into the developmental stage of War For Cybertron
, if not after they finished with the development.
If that is so, provide me with proof, and I mean actual hard proof and not just you piecing things together.
Dead Metal wrote:The Transformers Movie comics are all made to be in continuity with the movies, which is why the writers always work closely with idw. Sadly the comics have dead lines to adhere to in terms of getting work done while movies can be changed very close to the release date. The first TF movie for instance received its final cut two weeks before the premier, a point in which the comics had already been released in trade form.
Reign of Starscream even went through 4 rewrites before the movie team gave the final OK, they even referenced it in ROTF and changed Starscreams character model to match that of the comic.
If the Transformers Movie comics are all apparently made to be in continuity with the movies, how is it that the comics have their own "versions" of the movies? For example, Skids and Mudflap die in the comics
, yet in the same scene in Dark of the Moon, they weren't anywhere to be seen(except as cars in the building, or so I heard)
I already explained that to you, read the bolded parts.
And even earlier:
Dead Metal wrote:Yes it's a telling of the same history, and they both contradict each other, this is due to them being made at the same time by different people, using older/ never versions of the same material. Just like comic and novel adaptations of Movies, they have to be released at about the same time as the movie they're based on so they work with older scripts, and very often they won't get any updated material.
Dead Metal wrote:Firstly, you're jumping to conclusions by misunderstanding what is being said and then taking things out of context and arranging them with a seed of truth to justify your beliefs, and make them more believable, which is the exact same thing conspiracy theorists do. Which brings us back to the Lizardmen.
Give me some specifics, please. Because I can't find where I've done that.
If you're talking about where I'm claiming that WFC/FOC might
be connected to a new G1 universe, the fact is that it's entirely plausible. Whereas conspiracy theorists deny facts that prove their whole theory wrong in order to support their own(usually irrational) beliefs.
It's not plausible, this world functions by different laws and ways, the technology is different, the characters are similar but different, the abilities are different.
Even if this splices of into different continuities, they would all be in the Aligned universal stream as in the ALINGED
continuity family which is separate from Primax, and only universes in the Primax stream are G1.
It's exactly what you're doing, you're completely ignoring everything that states that it's something new and merely used the old material as inspiration for the look and for nostalgica. You ignore the parts of it only serving for inspiration, leave the parts mentioning G1, leave out the words that bring in vagueness like kinda, and then fill it in with your own thoughts and present it as something that makes sense.
Dead Metal wrote:
Ah that video, OK let me quote what he says:
Matt Tieger wrote:Honestly, this is the game that I've been waiting 25 years for to play. It's very nostalgic in that it's grounded in the Generation 1, G1, 1984 cartoon. We took a lot of our colours, feel, and style for the characters when we designed them and then modernised those. So we figured out what made an Autobot an Autobot and a Decepticon a Decepticon, and we figured out the styles for those but it all had to be grounded in that cartoon feel - but modern, and realistic, and gritty.
He's talking about the design aspect of the game, here's
another video in which he elaborates on this:
Design team including Tieger wrote:What we first did - was a lot of research. And we came up with a story that was always touching back to G1, that cartoon from the '80s, right? And made sure that that was our primary touchstone, and then we drew inspiration from other places but, that was our cornerstone.
And we went back to the Generation 1 cartoon, and the Generation 1 movie, and then there where other influences like Tron, and Bladerunner, and some of the textual sciencefiction stuff that we tried to bring in like Aliens.
He's talking about feeling and the design style, he's not talking about this being part of it. So if you try to use him talking about the feel and design of the game being similar and based on G1 as your argument for it being G1, well you're also putting this in the same universes as Tron, Aliens, and Blade Runner.
But I'm not saying that WFC and FoC are in continuity with the G1 cartoon
, I'm saying that there is a possibility that they exist within a Primax-cluster universe
newly formed with WFC, which are all universes that are considered "G1" universes, as well as existing within an Aligned universe. That's what Matt seems to be pushing, and you haven't presented any facts that contradict that yet.[/quote]
No, that is not what he has been pushing, what he has been pushing is a game that builds on nostalgia to get people to buy/ play it.
It is not set in any Primax continuity, not even a new one, every time he mentions that you completely ignore it and write it off as "irrelevant".
I never stated that you said it's set in the G1 cartoon, I quoted what he said, and that is that the main inspiration for the game is the G1 cartoon. Which you always use as proof of it being G1.
Why is it that the one time he said it ends kinda, not even definite but kinda, at the beginning of G1 as definite proof of this being set in a G1 universe, while every time he mentions how it's only used as inspiration and is it's own thing as "irrelevant" and that it "proves nothing"?
How about instead of asking me to bring in more proof for why it's not G1, which I have already done, had you seen any of the videos I and Sabre linked to, and instead provide us with your "obvious and undeniable proof" of this being G1. You know just the way I've been asking of you?
How am I supposed to "understand" your side of the argument if you present nothing but your own opinion?
Oh no, instead you question my intelligence and understanding while ignoring my points, calling official statements and facts "irrelevant" while insisting that you are right.
Now, provide me with actual proof, proof that has nothing to do with inspiration, design work, nostalgia, or comparisons. Hard actual proof of this fitting in with G1. You know the proof and evidence you keep bringing up.
If your next post doesn't contain anything of the like, I view this discussion as over and ended in my favour.