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Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:We'll also put aside the fact that Aligned, like the Bay movies, aren't considered within the traditional Transformers multiverse.

The movies are in the multiverse. They reside within the Tyran cluster.

Ah, that's right. I was sort of thrown off by the lack of connection between multiverse The Fallen and Bayverse The Fallen.

As a multiversal singularity, he is a self-contradicting being.

He don't have to be. Vector Prime is known to be able to travel between dimensions. The Fallen? Not sure, but he still could be flung into alternate realities unwillingly. Plus, as a TF with "supernatural" abilities(read: Abilities not understood by us mortals), he could probably die and be reborn countless times like Unicron.

I'm pretty interested in how Hasbro will portray the "new" 13 original TFs. I'd personally prefer aesthetical consistency with them even if(when?) they show up in other Aligned stories, but I fear that they'll all end up like the old 13, who's appearances were inexplicably varied.

*starts another off-topic conversation*

Er... so how about that Metroplex guy? I heard he was gonna appear in that new Transformers game!

Sabrblade wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:As a multiversal singularity, he is a self-contradicting being.

He don't have to be.

But he is. I'm not assuming or speculating, he is officially a self-contradicting being:

TFWiki.net wrote:As explained in more detail in the appropriate sections below, The Fallen has been given different origin stories in several of the different continuities in which he has appeared. At first glance, these may seem to be in conflict, but they are simply another facet of his nature as a singularity. The Fallen and other beings of his type do not experience reality in the same manner as lesser, linear beings. With the complicated loops and twists of time and dimension, he is quite capable of possessing different origins in the different realities he enters and still remaining one singular entity. To paraphrase Walt Whitman: Does he contradict himself? Very well, then he contradicts himself. He is large. He contains multitudes.

More info:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Fallen
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Multiversal_singularity

Oh, I see. He's not supposed to make sense.

That makes sense.

Sabrblade wrote:Dead Metal, you do realize that one series can exist in more than one universe, right? Look at the Beast Wars cartoon. It exists in the 3H/Fun Pub Beast Era comics universe, and also in the IDW Beast Wars comics universe. Both are separate universes from each other, yet they share the same cartoon events.

Yes, but those are still in the Primax universal stream, as in G1 universes.

That's one of the points orangeitis was getting at. He knows good and well that the events of WFC/FOC exist in the Aligned continuity, but he's also suggesting that the same events could possibly also exist in a separate original Primax-based universe autonomous from any existing Primax universe, as a sort of micro-continuity.

I know that:
It wouldn't be Primax then would it, since it would be too far detached from the rest the Primax universes. That's what I'm getting at.

He's not saying that these games existing in a Primax universe is a FACT, he's saying it as an IDEA.

And idea that has no grounding on reality. And lacks the "evidence" he keeps going on about. And without actually providing any, his idea is irrelevant and has not bearing on anything.

As for the games' events existing in not only two separate universes but two separate universal clusters, it wouldn't be the first time something similar has happened. Take, for example, RiD and Car Robots. The RiD cartoon is confirmed as a Viron universe, while its Japanese counterpart, Car Robots exists in the complete separate universe of Primax. Only difference here being that the characters have different languages,dialogue, and names in each version, but as Beast Wars proves, even same-language series can occur more than one universe.

Yes, but Takara also has that awesome time-line that says how all of G1, RID, Armada, Kiss-Players and the movies fit into one and the same universe and just take place during different times.

Even if this was meant to be G1, it isn't, Prime was supposed to take place in the Movie verse but was changed during production, arguing against that is like arguing that Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime are one and the same.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Even if this was meant to be G1, it isn't, Prime was supposed to take place in the Movie verse but was changed during production, arguing against that is like arguing that Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime are one and the same.

Where was it stated that Prime was meant to be Movieverse/Tyran? Like WFC, it too came about during the time Hasbro had created the Binder, so it would have had to be intended for Aligned from the get-go.

http://www.seibertron.com/news/index.ph ... rch=Search

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Even if this was meant to be G1, it isn't, Prime was supposed to take place in the Movie verse but was changed during production, arguing against that is like arguing that Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime are one and the same.

Where was it stated that Prime was meant to be Movieverse/Tyran? Like WFC, it too came about during the time Hasbro had created the Binder, so it would have had to be intended for Aligned from the get-go.

http://www.seibertron.com/news/index.ph ... rch=Search

Oh, yeah, forgot about that "first draft".

but, what about the other points I covered?

I've already stated, it wouldn't be in the Primax stream, so it wouldn't really be G1.
Heck, there are people who consider only the material that was published in the 80s as G1, with everything else being unrelated.
I could only accept this as G1, if it actually where G1 and was marketed as such, but it's not.

Nowhere does Hasbro state that it's the back story for all continuities, official word is that it's Aligned, not Aligned and G1, and Unicron Trillogy, and Movie, but simply Aligned.


Also, as stated before, the reason why they look so Primaxesqu is because they where designed to evoke a feeling of familiarity and nostalgia in the players, plus the people behind the game grew up with G1, you generally try to bring back or homage that with which you grow up once you're a grown up and in the position to do so.
That is my point, I want evidence that's not just "they look similar", especially since that was the whole reason for the look.
Because if we go by looks alone, Superlink/ Energon is also G1, and Transtech is Movie, and Animated is Batman.
Either put it where your mouth is or just leave.

And the whole, it could still be G1, a completely new G1 totally detached from all previous Primax Universes.
Well then it could also be a completely new Movieverse, totally separate from the previous one and with different rules and benchmarks that make the movieverse the movieverse, but it would still be movieverse, because it's new and you can't prove it's not because there's no official word that it's not a completely new Movieverse. And we won't know for certain that it's not until they make a new one based on this, but till then I will argue for it, and if you don't agree you're stupid and you don't understand my side because you ignore obvious evidence that contradicts everything official and everything you say, but I won't tell you what it is because I have to go now and play with my Unicorn friends who totally exist.

I give you the time line though.

Also, I'm getting pretty sick of this discussion that was started by someone who gets easily confused, then imagens things and then after he runs out of arguments pulls the "haha ha, I'm not that silly, I was only joking" card.

It's pointless, leads nowhere and has absolutely no baring on anything.

It's Alinged, and only Alinged and will stay this way till the powers that be say otherwise.