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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby TimPilot » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:36 pm

Cyber Bishop wrote:All around me out of stock.. Except Baton Rouge East.. 60+ miles away.. Uh, I'll wait.

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Holy crap.... $14.99??????????????????? WTF???


What? You think that's expensive? Double it, and you get what I would have to pay if it hits the stores here in Norway.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Bounti76 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:40 pm

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Megatron Wolf wrote:so why are these $15 when theyre not bigger or more complicated or have more detail than TFPrime figures? How does hasbro justify the price increase for these guys? Im sorry but im not paying $17(including tax) for a deluxe no matter what its from or who it is. Is this what we get for being loyal to hasbro all these years, smaller figures and outrageous prices? Its one thing to make figures smaller but keep the damn price & quality the same. Alot of people arent willing to pay or cant pay $13 for a prime deluxe what makes them think they'll pay $15 for a generations when theres nothing special about them. The last wave of generations werent even $15 they were $13 and they were bigger & of better quality than DOTM, TFPRIME, this wave of generations and they came out when the economy was **** just like it is now. Sorry about the rant but what hasbros doing is uncalled for and just not fair to consumers especially those who are falling on hard times.


Folks, I think it helps (somewhat) to look at things this way: it's inflation at work, simple as that. I bought a G1 Mirage with box on eBay recently, and the price tag that was still on the box said $7.99. If you adjust for inflation, it would cost roughly $17 today. Mirage and the rest of the Autobot cars are quite noticeably smaller than even the DOTM Deluxes, which most people noted were smaller than ROTF and TFTM deluxes. They're almost Scout Class sized.

Granted, G1 Transformers had die-cast parts and rubber tires, and the newer deluxesa re made with cheaper materials, but even taking that into consideration, G1 Deluxes are still priced above what the new crop of FOC and Prime Deluxes are, and they were smaller to boot. Frankly, deluxes have gotten bigger since G1 and are just now returning to a bit larger their original sizes. Not to mention that the range of articulation and detail was severely limited in G1.




P.S. I don't count G1 Whirl and Roadbuster as Deluxes, even though they were "Deluxe Autobots", because they were closer to what I'd call Voyager size of G1.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby worldsgreatest » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:36 pm

Exactly. For the younger fans out there who may not have been around before the movies, the Deluxe price point has/had been $9.99 since Beast Wars. That's 15 years without the actual cost being affected by inflation. While I'll agree that the figures themselves have gone down in both size and quality of material it was inevitable that the price was going to go up, the question was a matter of when.

It sucks for dudes who are priced out because of this but I assure you it isn't a problem unique to the Transformers brand. Prices have been skyrocketing over the past few years.

3 3/4 Joes are $9.99 and up. Marvel Legends are $19.99. 3 3/4 Avengers are $8-9. And on and on.

It stinks, but why do you think Legends and Bot Shots are over performing like they are? Times are tough all over.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby LordBludgeon » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:18 pm

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I would rather pay 14.99 rather than paying 30-60 for just one figure on ebay. It's also a shame that when I checked the link provide, every Target near me is listed as out of stock. Oh well, just have to be patient I guess.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Gundamu » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:20 pm

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worldsgreatest wrote:Exactly. For the younger fans out there who may not have been around before the movies, the Deluxe price point has/had been $9.99 since Beast Wars. That's 15 years without the actual cost being affected by inflation. While I'll agree that the figures themselves have gone down in both size and quality of material it was inevitable that the price was going to go up, the question was a matter of when.

It sucks for dudes who are priced out because of this but I assure you it isn't a problem unique to the Transformers brand. Prices have been skyrocketing over the past few years.

3 3/4 Joes are $9.99 and up. Marvel Legends are $19.99. 3 3/4 Avengers are $8-9. And on and on.

It stinks, but why do you think Legends and Bot Shots are over performing like they are? Times are tough all over.

Yeah, I find myself getting more Legends/Cyberverse figures and Bot Shots more than deluxes and voyagers. They're nice and just don't hit the wallet as hard. Still, I'll have no problem getting some of these FoC deluxes when I find them.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby RAcast » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:45 pm

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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby orangeitis » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:56 pm

IT BEGINS.

There are one of each of these with my name on it on their way to my local Wal*Mart. Oh yes.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby dubg406 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:02 pm

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All I have to say is, Thank you Counterpunch!!! With the DPCI I was able to track down the only Target that had a case in my town, turned out it was the store near my house. The employees were nice enough to not only open the box but also give me Optimus, Jazz and Shockwave. Jazz is a little hard to pose because he's top heavy with tiny legs. Optimus is really simple to transform but overall OK. And Shockwave is pretty cool for being a small deluxe class. Again, thank you Counterpunch.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby orangeitis » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:07 pm

And how would one use the DPCI to track things? Just waltz into the store and ask them if they have the product with that number or something?
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby TimothyR » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:31 pm

orangeitis wrote:And how would one use the DPCI to track things? Just waltz into the store and ask them if they have the product with that number or something?


go to one of those price checking machines around the store, type in the numbers then press "enter" and it'll say what they are, how much they are, and if they do or do not have them in the stockroom.

it's super sad that these things are $15.. i'd still like to see size comparisons with these and the WFC figures. something tells me that after i see that, i'll be even more sad.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby TimothyR » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:36 pm

Bounti76 wrote:
Megatron Wolf wrote:so why are these $15 when theyre not bigger or more complicated or have more detail than TFPrime figures? How does hasbro justify the price increase for these guys? Im sorry but im not paying $17(including tax) for a deluxe no matter what its from or who it is. Is this what we get for being loyal to hasbro all these years, smaller figures and outrageous prices? Its one thing to make figures smaller but keep the damn price & quality the same. Alot of people arent willing to pay or cant pay $13 for a prime deluxe what makes them think they'll pay $15 for a generations when theres nothing special about them. The last wave of generations werent even $15 they were $13 and they were bigger & of better quality than DOTM, TFPRIME, this wave of generations and they came out when the economy was **** just like it is now. Sorry about the rant but what hasbros doing is uncalled for and just not fair to consumers especially those who are falling on hard times.


Folks, I think it helps (somewhat) to look at things this way: it's inflation at work, simple as that. I bought a G1 Mirage with box on eBay recently, and the price tag that was still on the box said $7.99. If you adjust for inflation, it would cost roughly $17 today. Mirage and the rest of the Autobot cars are quite noticeably smaller than even the DOTM Deluxes, which most people noted were smaller than ROTF and TFTM deluxes. They're almost Scout Class sized.

Granted, G1 Transformers had die-cast parts and rubber tires, and the newer deluxesa re made with cheaper materials, but even taking that into consideration, G1 Deluxes are still priced above what the new crop of FOC and Prime Deluxes are, and they were smaller to boot. Frankly, deluxes have gotten bigger since G1 and are just now returning to a bit larger their original sizes. Not to mention that the range of articulation and detail was severely limited in G1.




P.S. I don't count G1 Whirl and Roadbuster as Deluxes, even though they were "Deluxe Autobots", because they were closer to what I'd call Voyager size of G1.


but the economy right now is so bad, that it's even more difficult to swallow the price of something that costs more, but is a smaller product.

if they're going to raise the price.. keep the toy the same size, if you're going to shrink the toy, shrink the price too.

plus, i'm pretty sure that toys today are a hell of a lot easier to make than they were way back when.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby ILL-Star » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:11 pm

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I don't much like Wal-mart. But I have to say, compared to Target, they've done a decent job keeping prices as low as possible. I just hope they can do the same with the generations line. Every Target I've been to has raised the Prime line to $15. But the Wal-marts still have them at $13. Not liking Target nowadays.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby orangeitis » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:15 pm

TimothyR wrote:go to one of those price checking machines around the store, type in the numbers then press "enter" and it'll say what they are, how much they are, and if they do or do not have them in the stockroom.
Awesome, that's very useful information. Thanks.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby worldsgreatest » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:42 pm

LordBludgeon wrote:I would rather pay 14.99 rather than paying 30-60 for just one figure on ebay. It's also a shame that when I checked the link provide, every Target near me is listed as out of stock. Oh well, just have to be patient I guess.


I wonder, do these have their own physical location or do they share peg space with Prime? If it is the latter I've been noticing (at least in my area) that Targets haven't done their hard Summer resets yet. It is indeed a matter of time! None of the Targets around me are showing stock yet either.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Rated X » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:44 pm

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It would be a crime to spend an extra 2 bucks on something we love, wouldnt it ? Im sure they will all end up in TJ Maxx and Ross for those who dont think they are worth full price. I see it like this...The mere existance of TF Prime is saving me hundreds of dollars. I havent been to a toy section of a store in months.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby That Bot » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:59 pm

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TimothyR wrote:but the economy right now is so bad, that it's even more difficult to swallow the price of something that costs more, but is a smaller product.

if they're going to raise the price.. keep the toy the same size, if you're going to shrink the toy, shrink the price too.

plus, i'm pretty sure that toys today are a hell of a lot easier to make than they were way back when.

The way I see it, they're striking a middle ground. For $10, you can get a Cyberverse Commander where you used to be able to get a deluxe. To get a Deluxe at the size we're used to would cost probably $18-20. (Honestly I think it's a miracle Target and Wal Mart give us VOYAGERS at that price still) So to keep from charging an exorbitant amount, they raise the price SOME and shrink the figure SOME to get a $15 figure. It ain't pretty, but $15 ain't what it used to be, either. Time marches on, the value of the dollar shrinks, and the price of goods and services rises. Not much to do but suck it up or stop buying.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby President-prime » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:52 pm

Agreed and disagreed. The mere existence of TF Prime saved 'me' money, and cost 'me' money (depends on how you see it). I haven't been to toy aisles for over 3 months. I have never been this disappointed in a TF line since animated. On the other hand, I've been online a lot lately completing my Masterpiece and Binaltech collections. Man, they're expensive. But again, I'd rather spend money on one great figure than on ten crappy prime toys. Of course, that's my opinnion.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby CrimsonPrime » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:14 am

Wow some of you Americans are bunch of whiny bishes arent you? So the price increase to 15 dollars big whoop. For my country we have to pay 19 frickin dollars per deluxe ever since 5 years ago. You dont see me whining at every single transformers toy forum did you? So STFU and deal with it. You should consider you're lucky cause just the deluxe increased abit. Here's how transformers cost in my country :-

1) Legends - US : 5$ MY : 8$.
2) Commanders - US : 8$ MY : 16$.
3) Deluxes - US : 14~15$ MY : 19$.
4) Voyagers - US : 22$ MY : 39$
5) Leaders - US : 45$ MY : 75$.

So yeah STFU you whiny Americans. I'm doing just fine collecting TFs with the ridiculous price increase here in my country for more than 3 years. Just consider yourself lucky alright cause if I were at your country? I could have increase my TF collection by 2 times the amount.

PS : And to those who ask, no I'm not rich. I'm only a teenager who get like 35$ a month and I live in a normal 2-floor house with my family.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby RhA » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:34 am

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CrimsonPrime wrote:Wow some of you Americans are bunch of whiny bishes arent you? So the price increase to 15 dollars big whoop. For my country we have to pay 19 frickin dollars per deluxe ever since 5 years ago. You dont see me whining at every single transformers toy forum did you? So STFU and deal with it. You should consider you're lucky cause just the deluxe increased abit. Here's how transformers cost in my country :-

1) Legends - US : 5$ MY : 8$.
2) Commanders - US : 8$ MY : 16$.
3) Deluxes - US : 14~15$ MY : 19$.
4) Voyagers - US : 22$ MY : 39$
5) Leaders - US : 45$ MY : 75$.

So yeah STFU you whiny Americans. I'm doing just fine collecting TFs with the ridiculous price increase here in my country for more than 3 years. Just consider yourself lucky alright cause if I were at your country? I could have increase my TF collection by 2 times the amount.

PS : And to those who ask, no I'm not rich. I'm only a teenager who get like 35$ a month and I live in a normal 2-floor house with my family.


You're only considering cost, how does the average income in your country compare to the US?
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby wewyllenium » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:50 am

He said he's earning at 35$ a month. Here at my country, I'm like earning 670 USD a month at net and I'm not complaining. That's just life.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Archatron » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:05 am

CrimsonPrime wrote:Wow some of you Americans are bunch of whiny bishes arent you? So the price increase to 15 dollars big whoop. For my country we have to pay 19 frickin dollars per deluxe ever since 5 years ago. You dont see me whining at every single transformers toy forum did you? (Just right now I'll whine about you whining) So STFU and deal with it. (I'm mature and have 3 whole years collecting guize) You should consider you're lucky cause just the deluxe increased abit (and shrunk, you're lucky). Here's how transformers cost in my country :- (Like we care but here's..........DA MATH)

1) Legends - US : 5$ MY : 8$.
2) Commanders - US : 8$ MY : 16$.
3) Deluxes - US : 14~15$ MY : 19$. Whoopty Friggin doooo, but you're off on half. :APPLAUSE:
4) Voyagers - US : 22$ MY : 39$
5) Leaders - US : 45$ MY : 75$.

So yeah STFU you whiny Americans. I'm doing just fine collecting TFs with the ridiculous price increase here in my country for more than 3 years (3 whole years and know it all, Yeeeeeaaahhh Buuudddyyyy!!!!!). Just consider yourself lucky alright cause if I were at your country? I could have increase my TF collection by 2 times the amount. (Oh no, increase it by 2 times. RUNNNNNN!!!!) :HEADHURTS:

PS : And to those who ask, no I'm not rich (but I'm sure spoiled as hell and act pretty douchey so I know it's hard to tell). I'm only a *SPOILER ALERT* teenager *SPOILER ALERT* who get like 35$ a month and I live in a normal 2-floor house with my family. ( I mooch 35$ off Mommy and Daddy so I know more than any of you dumb Americans who spend that a day usually for sure)


Are you serious with that BS? You can tell you're a little snot teenager for sure. We don't care what you pay for x in x third world country. Get over yourself, Pretentious Prime. No, American consumers don't like paying more for less. Never have, never will and won't unless their that desperate for inferior product. If people here have a problem and stick to their guns and not buy it things COULD change but today's collector just has to have it so probably not. I'm not buying smaller figures for more when I can get better for the same relative amount. Sorry your dollar doesn't stack well against ours but them's the breaks kid, you deal. That's nuts to even try and compare period. =;

Anyone who actually gets out and WORKS for their money (instead of suckling Mommy and Daddy's teet and spending their allowance lol)doesn't like that and generally doesn't do it if they've got half a brain cell. Maybe you'll get it when you do that, till then the "money not earned but I'll tell you what's what" opinions aren't valid. Try collecting thirty years before you expel your vast knowledge of how it works and what we should deal with, other than your current measly three. I haven't laughed so hard in a while. 35$ won't buy me a half tank of gas. You're ballin son and so "wise" beyond your 3 or five (since you changed it twice) whole TF collecting/price increase suffering years. :BOWDOWN: :lol: "STFU you whiny Americans" on an American TF forum, bet that will blow over nicely and get you some fast friends. :HEADHURTS: LMAO


wewyllenium wrote:He said he's earning at 35$ a month. Here at my country, I'm like earning 670 USD a month at net and I'm not complaining. That's just life.


It thrills my soul to know I've spent over a year's worth of The Great Crimson Prime's allowance just in the past week and a half on Transformers. :D I 'm not rich either by any means. It does feel great to spend hard earned money you WORKED for on your hobby and not be racist/nationalist about it. ;) These FTMP will not be bought unless we get some decent sized guys like Grimlock.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Burn » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:24 am

CrimsonPrime wrote:Wow some of you Americans are bunch of whiny bishes arent you? So the price increase to 15 dollars big whoop. For my country we have to pay 19 frickin dollars per deluxe ever since 5 years ago. You dont see me whining at every single transformers toy forum did you? So STFU and deal with it. You should consider you're lucky cause just the deluxe increased abit. Here's how transformers cost in my country :-

1) Legends - US : 5$ MY : 8$.
2) Commanders - US : 8$ MY : 16$.
3) Deluxes - US : 14~15$ MY : 19$.
4) Voyagers - US : 22$ MY : 39$
5) Leaders - US : 45$ MY : 75$.

So yeah STFU you whiny Americans. I'm doing just fine collecting TFs with the ridiculous price increase here in my country for more than 3 years. Just consider yourself lucky alright cause if I were at your country? I could have increase my TF collection by 2 times the amount.

PS : And to those who ask, no I'm not rich. I'm only a teenager who get like 35$ a month and I live in a normal 2-floor house with my family.


This entire post is out of line. Have a warning on me.

Oh and if anyone else quotes his post and responds to it from now on, they get a warning to. Back on topic NOW.
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby RAcast » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:26 am

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Aanywho, does anyone else really want to see more of the foc seeker mold? I'm hoping it's at least as tall as the classics mold (which was short anyway).
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Re: Transformers Generations: Fall of Cybertron Deluxes Found at Retail

Postby Banjo-Tron » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:30 am

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If these ever appear in the UK, they will probably be £14.99 at least, although at least VAT (equivalent to sales tax) is already factored in, even if it is massively high. This government. :roll: I would rather pay £20 for a deluxe sized deluxe, than £15 for an anaemic midget version of one. I wish Hasbro would stop with the shrinkage.
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